Super Bowl Champions and Seeds

[Legacy User]

But MIA and KC are practically "play-in" games.

Since the Steelers curb stomping of KC earlier this season, they have gone 9-2. Those two losses were both by 2 pts. KC would get another shot at a team that embarrassed the fuck out of them, and get to do it in their house.

That's no "play-in" bro. I do expect the Steelers to be favorites however.

[Kodiak]

That's no "play-in" bro. I do expect the Steelers to be favorites however.

They have Alex Smith as their QB and Andy Reid as their coach. Yeah, it's a play-in...."bro". They started last year like 9-0, they don't lose to mediocre teams but that doesn't make them good.

And you admit as much when you say you expect PIT to be the favorites...on the road...in a divisional playoff.

[Kodiak]

But on it's own, a schedule of the Dolphins, Chiefs, and Patriots to get to the Super Bowl is a tough schedule whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

It's the playoffs. It's never "not tough" other than the unprecedented prospect of PIT facing two back-ups (which didn't materialize).

Would you acknowledge that with not having a bye, that's as favorable as you almost ever get? Would you like to go back in time and tell me when, in the last 20+ years, PIT had a more favorable road to the AFCC (in my mind, it's '94)?

[StillerDownSouth]

But on it's own, a schedule of the Dolphins, Chiefs, and Patriots to get to the Super Bowl is a tough schedule whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

It's the playoffs. It's never "not tough" other than the unprecedented prospect of PIT facing two back-ups (which didn't materialize).

Would you acknowledge that with not having a bye, that's as favorable as you almost ever get? Would you like to go back in time and tell me when, in the last 20+ years, PIT had a more favorable road to the AFCC (in my mind, it's '94)?

You have lost your mind if you think winning in Arrowhead and Gillette is as favorable as you almost get. Steelers will have to play damn good to great football to get out of either of those stadiums with a W. My guess is you haven't watched a single chiefs game this season except the one we played in. They are a much different team now than they were that night with the emergence of Hill and now they have a dude named Justin Houston back. There is no way we will be a vegas favorite to win that game. Chiefs are loaded on offense right now and extremely hot....Maclin is healthy, T Hill scores from 80 out almost every week and Kelce is probably the best TE in the game right now. Alex Smith is a very underrated qb who can run and pass and has an outstanding win/loss record in KC. Not to mention they probably won the toughest division in football this year.

[Kodiak]

You have lost your mind if you think winning in Arrowhead and Gillette is as favorable as you almost get.

Give me an example of something more favorable to the conference championship that anyone has ever gotten. Keep talking about Arrowhead and keep ignoring the JV team, relatively speaking, led by Alex fucking Smith that plays there.

Otherwise shut the fuck up.


*NE has been in the playoffs 15 of the past 16 years, so just ignore them for purposes of this argument. They are always there, that doesn't make this trip more or less difficult than other years.

[StillerDownSouth]

You have lost your mind if you think winning in Arrowhead and Gillette is as favorable as you almost get.

Give me an example of something more favorable to the conference championship that anyone has ever gotten. Keep talking about Arrowhead and keep ignoring the JV team, relatively speaking, led by Alex fucking Smith that plays there.

Otherwise shut the fuck up.


*NE has been in the playoffs 15 of the past 16 years, so just ignore them for purposes of this argument. They are always there, that doesn't make this trip more or less difficult than other years.

No point in argueing with someone who obviously doesn't watch football outside of steeler games and highlights. Chiefs are a very very good team with very good talent and a qb who is good enough, and playing in a venue that is probably the best home field advantage in the league.

[Kodiak]

No point in argueing with someone who obviously doesn't watch football outside of steeler games and highlights. Chiefs are a very very good team with very good talent and a qb who is good enough, and playing in a venue that is probably the best home field advantage in the league.

I asked you for an example of a more favorable path. Clearly you have none, so re-read the last post where I said STFU

Quit trying to build the Chiefs into some juggernaut. They are not a contender, never were and never will be. They are as good as it gets in the divisional round.

[StillerDownSouth]

No point in argueing with someone who obviously doesn't watch football outside of steeler games and highlights. Chiefs are a very very good team with very good talent and a qb who is good enough, and playing in a venue that is probably the best home field advantage in the league.

I asked you for an example of a more favorable path. Clearly you have none, so re-read the last post where I said STFU

Quit trying to build the Chiefs into some juggernaut. They are not a contender, never were and never will be. They are as good as it gets in the divisional round.

Uh last year, facing noodle arm Manning in Denver was a pretty easy path to the AFC championship game, a team we almost beat had not been for a fumble from our 3rd string rb. Had we had Bell and Brown available we win that game easily. I get it, u think KC is garbage, we disagree about that. Alex Smith is a much better qb than last years version of Payton Manning.

[swissvale72]

No point in argueing with someone who obviously doesn't watch football outside of steeler games and highlights. Chiefs are a very very good team with very good talent and a qb who is good enough, and playing in a venue that is probably the best home field advantage in the league.

I asked you for an example of a more favorable path. Clearly you have none, so re-read the last post where I said STFU

Quit trying to build the Chiefs into some juggernaut. They are not a contender, never were and never will be. They are as good as it gets in the divisional round.

Uh last year, facing noodle arm Manning in Denver was a pretty easy path to the AFC championship game, a team we almost beat had not been for a fumble from our 3rd string rb. Had we had Bell and Brown available we win that game easily. I get it, u think KC is garbage, we disagree about that. Alex Smith is a much better qb than last years version of Payton Manning.

I'm with you, South...I'm VERY worried about the game at Arrowhead. I was rooting like hell for either Raiders to win, or Chiefs to lose yesterday. Neither came remotely close to happening.

Odd thing though....most recent odds have Steelers at 9:1 to win Super Bowl, Chiefs at 12:1. That mean that Steelers will be favored in Arrowhead...assuming, of course, that they get past Miami?

[Legacy User]

what those odds say is that the sharps agree with Kodiak.....

Despite a bye, and the Steelers having to enter into the statistical possibility of losing a WC game, the Chiefs remain a longer shot to win SB

translation: The Steelers made this tougher on themselves than it should have been (Cowboys/Ravens losses) & the Chiefs are the same old bullshit team they have always been.

Carr injury sets up pretty simple path to Pats/Steelers in Foxboro

[jeemie]

what those odds say is that the sharps agree with Kodiak.....

Despite a bye, and the Steelers having to enter into the statistical possibility of losing a WC game, the Chiefs remain a longer shot to win SB

translation: The Steelers made this tougher on themselves than it should have been (Cowboys/Ravens losses) & the Chiefs are the same old bullshit team they have always been.

Carr injury sets up pretty simple path to Pats/Steelers in Foxboro

Meh- the odds between the Chiefs and Steelers are similar.

Look- we're not talking up the Chiefs like they're the second coming of the San Franscisco 49ers. Just that it WON'T necessarily be a coaching issue if the Steelers don't make it to the AFCCG.

My expectations for the team are that they should reach the AFCCG, and then we'll see.

But I'm not going to set up in advance to give Tomlin and Company absolutely no credit if the Steelers do make it there, or to blame Tomlin and Company if they don't.

[Kodiak]

Uh last year, facing noodle arm Manning in Denver was a pretty easy path to the AFC championship game

LMFAO. I can't take you seriously after that. DEN, the #1 seed and a SB favorite (and eventual SB winner) with a great defense and every bit as tough a place to play as Arrowhead was an easier path? You're on crack.

And before that we had to go on the road to face a good CIN team (one that, by the way, should have beaten us if not for some historical boneheaded-ness). So try again to name me an easier path to the AFCC.

[randomsteelerfan]

That's no "play-in" bro. I do expect the Steelers to be favorites however.

They have Alex Smith as their QB and Andy Reid as their coach. Yeah, it's a play-in...."bro". They started last year like 9-0, they don't lose to mediocre teams but that doesn't make them good.

And you admit as much when you say you expect PIT to be the favorites...on the road...in a divisional playoff.

You are off your effin rocker if you're characterizing this as a "play-in" game.

The Chiefs at Arrowhead in January is nowhere near a "play-in" or a gimme. That's silly and frankly, dumb. Now, the Chiefs outside of Arrowhead, I might agree.

[Legacy User]

Uh last year, facing noodle arm Manning in Denver was a pretty easy path to the AFC championship game

LMFAO. I can't take you seriously after that. DEN, the #1 seed and a SB favorite (and eventual SB winner) with a great defense and every bit as tough a place to play as Arrowhead was an easier path? You're on crack.

And before that we had to go on the road to face a good CIN team (one that, by the way, should have beaten us if not for some historical boneheaded-ness). So try again to name me an easier path to the AFCC.

Not only that, but you had to go into Denver without your #1 and #2 running back, and without your #1 WR... oh and Ben with an injury from the previous week.
Then, if you won that game, you had to go do that in Foxboro without the running backs for sure and maybe your WR as well.

It's not difficult - the path in front of the Steelers is easier, simply because of their team health, even with the suspension to Bryant and some of the depth at WR.

[lifelongsteel]

The Chiefs have won 22 of their last 26 regular season games.

They crushed the Texans in the wildcard round last year, then gave the Pats a hell of a game in NE

They have added an elite weapon in Tyreek (I'm Reek) Hill.

They're a legit 2 seed.

[jeemie]

That's no "play-in" bro. I do expect the Steelers to be favorites however.

They have Alex Smith as their QB and Andy Reid as their coach. Yeah, it's a play-in...."bro". They started last year like 9-0, they don't lose to mediocre teams but that doesn't make them good.

And you admit as much when you say you expect PIT to be the favorites...on the road...in a divisional playoff.

You are off your effin rocker if you're characterizing this as a "play-in" game.

The Chiefs at Arrowhead in January is nowhere near a "play-in" or a gimme. That's silly and frankly, dumb. Now, the Chiefs outside of Arrowhead, I might agree.

I've been to a game in Arrowhead. Sunday night against the Raiders in 1994.

I've never been to Seattle, so I can't compare, but by FAR Arrowhead is the loudest stadium I've ever been in.

[955876]

Now, the Chiefs outside of Arrowhead, I might agree.

Too bad we aren't getting them outside Arrowhead.

Someday Tomlin might realize the importance of a bye.

[Legacy User]

anything less than AFC championship game appearance is a failure barring serious BR7 injury.....

maybe a Tomlin failure, maybe a BR7 failure, or some combination of the 2, but a failure nonetheless

All they need is 2 mediocre showings to get there. Once there, then they have to play a great game to beat the Pats (a game I would fully be expecting to lose).

[jeemie]

Now, the Chiefs outside of Arrowhead, I might agree.

Too bad we aren't getting them outside Arrowhead.

Someday Tomlin might realize the importance of a bye.

This team lost to exactly two non-playoff teams this year.

In retrospect, not sure how missing the bye this year can be blamed on Mike Tomlin.

The only thing you might be able to point to is the failure to adjust the game plan with Baltimore until it was too late.

[bradshaw2ben]

Now, the Chiefs outside of Arrowhead, I might agree.

Too bad we aren't getting them outside Arrowhead.

Someday Tomlin might realize the importance of a bye.

This team lost to exactly two non-playoff teams this year.

In retrospect, not sure how missing the bye this year can be blamed on Mike Tomlin.

The only thing you might be able to point to is the failure to adjust the game plan with Baltimore until it was too late.

and neither of those two non-playoff teams was a bad team-- in fact, both were pretty damn good in most of their games.

[955876]

And that seems to happen annually.

Regardless of the how's & whys we drop games that could have been won.

There is a reason we haven't sniffed a bye week in half a decade.

[jeemie]

And that seems to happen annually.

Regardless of the how's & whys we drop games that could have been won.

There is a reason we haven't sniffed a bye week in half a decade.

Yes...injuries and rebuilding.

And inexplicable losses to bad teams.

[Kodiak]

This team lost to exactly two non-playoff teams this year.

And came up 1 game short of the #2 seed.

[955876]

That's what happens in this league. If you let up in your prep, focus, drive, effort, etc etc etc just a little a "bad" team will beat you.

And that one game is the difference in home vs. away come January.

[jeemie]

That's what happens in this league. If you let up in your prep, focus, drive, effort, etc etc etc just a little a "bad" team will beat you.

And that one game is the difference in home vs. away come January.

That doesn't mean "Tomlin doesn't care about the bye".

[Steelcody7]

Uh last year, facing noodle arm Manning in Denver was a pretty easy path to the AFC championship game

LMFAO. I can't take you seriously after that. DEN, the #1 seed and a SB favorite (and eventual SB winner) with a great defense and every bit as tough a place to play as Arrowhead was an easier path? You're on crack.

And before that we had to go on the road to face a good CIN team (one that, by the way, should have beaten us if not for some historical boneheaded-ness). So try again to name me an easier path to the AFCC.

You're a fucking moron.

Denver was ass last season, seed be damned. Their defense carried them, and even then the Steelers moved the ball easily WITHOUT Bell and Brown. We beat them by 20 with a healthy team last season. The Chiefs are loaded on both sides of the ball. You know nothing other than what the Steelers game showed you. That team is healthy now, much better than when we beat them.

[Kodiak]

You're a fucking moron.

Denver was ass last season, seed be damned.

Do you have alzheimers? They won the fucking SB last year, but they were ass?

Good god, that was the dumbest post I've ever read here.

[Legacy User]

If AB doesn't stick his arm out on the goal line, this would be all for naught.

[COR-TEN]

Tomlin vs Reid (while with the Chiefs) :

10/02/2016 Pittsburgh Steelers Kansas City Chiefs H Heinz Field (Pittsburgh, PA) W 43-14
10/25/2015 Pittsburgh Steelers Kansas City Chiefs A Arrowhead Stadium (Kansas City, MO) L 23-13
12/21/2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Kansas City Chiefs H Heinz Field (Pittsburgh, PA) W 20-12

2-1 with the regular season loss at Arrowhead. The last playoff game at Arrowhead the Steelers lost. In 1998. In OT. EDIT : 1994

If the Steelers make it past the fins, the Chiefs at Arrowhead won't be easy by any metric. I would have taken the Raiders in Oakland without Carr any day. Frankly, if Carr didn't get injured, both games would be very difficult - especially considering the steelers away record this year, and historically have had difficulty traveling to the west coast.

The blowout earlier this year is not indicative of anything. This will be playoff football. A whole new season, if you will, so to speak, obviously. The only two pluses I see with that game is that Haley wants to bury the chiefs every chance he gets and the steelers are healthy.

[jeemie]

At last...a thread I can be Hall Monitor in!

The playoff loss was 1993, not 1998...the game we were going to win until the damn blocked punt.

The one regular season loss was quarterbacked by Landry Jones.

Still...it won't be easy at Arrowhead, provided we beat the Dolphins, that is.

And I will agree...go out at home to the Dolphins, and we will have underachieved.