The Norf

[K_C_]

At the risk of drawing the ire of the haters who increasingly populate this esteemed website, here's SBI for remaining weeks, hopefully allowing Steelers to clinch the Norf in advance of the finale versus Ravens.

-Root like hell for Bengals to beat Ravens on Sunday!! This is a bigger SBI game than the Steelers Monday nighter. Too bad that Tee Higgins is once again in concussion protocol.

-Should Bengals beat Ravens, Steelers would clinch the Norf in advance of the finalev by beating Browns in Cleveland and either winning one more game (Miami, at Detroit) or Ravens losing one more (New England, at Green Bay).

Should Ravens beat Cinci, but lose next two, Steelers would win norf if beating both Miami and Cleveland.

I think all that's right. At any rate, ravens loss at cinci, Steelers win in Cleveland means Steelers win tie breaker of division record.

Steelers should win common game tiebreaker with win against Miami and ravens losses to pats and packers.

Sooo.... GO Steelers and fuck all you haters once again!!! Steelerhaters.com !!

I'm with you, Swiss and I hope the Steelers win the division.

I have no confidence in them once they get to the postseason, but you can't win shit unless you make the playoffs so who knows/?

Maybe they surprise everybody and win a damn playoff game this year.

Better beat the fucking Dolphins first and I think this game is going to be really, really tough.

The Dolphins have figured out that Tua Tagovailoa sucks and they've basically taken the ball out of his hands.

They are running the ball right down opponents' throats. Successfully. They might be the best team running the football we'll face the rest of the year, so the fucking front 7 better bring their lunch pails.

They're gonna need 'em.

[Steelafan77]

Steelers can win out reaching the 3rd seed in my ‘Predictor’ results here: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl- ... -predictor enjoy!

Steelers will win vs Mia and Cleveland
They'll lose to Det and Baltimore

So that makes it another 9-8 year and the division will be up for grabs with us splitting vs Rats. Will come down to other teams

Just wanted to ease the tensions and conflict linking to an optimistic exercise we can experience in the ‘playoff predictor’.

[langer]

Not sure what's worse . . .

Being a fan of a team that is stuck in the mud. Or being on a team message board that is rooting against the team.

Ok, the first is worse. But the second is also quite grim.

Since y'all know that a) the Steelers will win 8-10 games and b) Tomlin will be here next year, you might as well root for your team to win some games.

Let's go Bengals!

The Steelers definitely need to clean house.

This site is also nearly insufferable for its negativity.

You know that acquaintance that does nothing but complain and and only sees what is wrong with his life and is hence impossible to be around? That's Steeler Fury now. (No, the only two options are not blind moronic optimism and incessant bitching.)

As KC has nicely pointed out: the running battle across the threads spearheaded by people triggered by those who do not root for losses is subtarded bc rooting for wins or rooting for losses on a message board does nothing.

Whether Tomlin gets fired by Rooney and the house gets a nice Spring Cleaning is completely out of our hands. What's the point in belittling others for rooting for their team?

Some of you need to find a cat to pet. I've enjoyed watching the games more since I stopped posting here. Quite grim, indeed. I now return to my occasional lurking.

The word of God hath rendered judgment on non-hackers. We are incredibly indebted to you making an appearance to belittle everyone who doesn’t have your acumen at the judgment of others.

I for one will try to do better. Thank you for your counsel.

[Steeldrama]

Not sure what's worse . . .

Being a fan of a team that is stuck in the mud. Or being on a team message board that is rooting against the team.

Ok, the first is worse. But the second is also quite grim.

Since y'all know that a) the Steelers will win 8-10 games and b) Tomlin will be here next year, you might as well root for your team to win some games.

Let's go Bengals!

The Steelers definitely need to clean house.

This site is also nearly insufferable for its negativity.

You know that acquaintance that does nothing but complain and and only sees what is wrong with his life and is hence impossible to be around? That's Steeler Fury now. (No, the only two options are not blind moronic optimism and incessant bitching.)

As KC has nicely pointed out: the running battle across the threads spearheaded by people triggered by those who do not root for losses is subtarded bc rooting for wins or rooting for losses on a message board does nothing.

Whether Tomlin gets fired by Rooney and the house gets a nice Spring Cleaning is completely out of our hands. What's the point in belittling others for rooting for their team?

Some of you need to find a cat to pet. I've enjoyed watching the games more since I stopped posting here. Quite grim, indeed. I now return to my occasional lurking.

The word of God hath rendered judgment on non-hackers. We are incredibly indebted to you making an appearance to belittle everyone who doesn’t have your acumen at the judgment of others.

I for one will try to do better. Thank you for your counsel.

^^^^
This

Except I won’t try to do better because fuck Mike Tomlin

[Deebo]

Not sure what's worse . . .

Being a fan of a team that is stuck in the mud. Or being on a team message board that is rooting against the team.

Ok, the first is worse. But the second is also quite grim.

Since y'all know that a) the Steelers will win 8-10 games and b) Tomlin will be here next year, you might as well root for your team to win some games.

Let's go Bengals!

The Steelers definitely need to clean house.

This site is also nearly insufferable for its negativity.

You know that acquaintance that does nothing but complain and and only sees what is wrong with his life and is hence impossible to be around? That's Steeler Fury now. (No, the only two options are not blind moronic optimism and incessant bitching.)

As KC has nicely pointed out: the running battle across the threads spearheaded by people triggered by those who do not root for losses is subtarded bc rooting for wins or rooting for losses on a message board does nothing.

Whether Tomlin gets fired by Rooney and the house gets a nice Spring Cleaning is completely out of our hands. What's the point in belittling others for rooting for their team?

Some of you need to find a cat to pet. I've enjoyed watching the games more since I stopped posting here. Quite grim, indeed. I now return to my occasional lurking.

The word of God hath rendered judgment on non-hackers. We are incredibly indebted to you making an appearance to belittle everyone who doesn’t have your acumen at the judgment of others.

I for one will try to do better. Thank you for your counsel.

Do you see what Tomlin/Art have done to us?

It's Biblical lol

Jesus warned of severe persecution where "Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death," showing internal conflict as a sign of difficult times.

[955876]

The tone of the board is negative because those who post here (at least a very large majority) know full well that Jibbs is not capable of delivering a championship given the way he chooses to coach along with the below par coordinators and assistant coaches he insist on employing.


Duh.

I guess we should ignore that and blindly say yay and yippeee because we won a game last Sunday all while ignoring some of the worst offensive & defensive production (for years running now) that won’t change because Tomlin won’t change.

This team has no plan to build a legit contender. They instead go through the motions, change little to nothing, gaslight the fans, then do the same shit over and over.

But kumbayah and a shit. Let’s celebrate these clowns so someone’s fragile well being won’t be dragged down by the negative words of strangers (about a sports team) who are accurately calling out the current state of said team.

Go Steelers! Go Tomlin! The division is almost ours!! Fuck ya!!! Tomlin bout to wrap up yet another NHALS!

Postseason success is a crapshoot. We are damn fortunate this team was good years ago and have no right to complain about current management.

How dare us criticize the product on the field that has gotten progressively worse the longer this team runs through Tomlin.

How fucking dare us.

[Gonzo]

i will cease my broken record until the off-season
I am boring myself with my posts about Tomlin -- I blame him for that too !!

[Dan Smith--BYU]

According that playoff predictor, if you go by PF-PA, the Rams and Seahawks are the best in the league by far while CHI is a pretender and DET and KC are winning far less than predicted value.

[langer]

Forgot to add this for half-wit to keep for his personal totem collection of Coach.

He can pretend that kiss was for him.

[955876]

The Dolphins have figured out that Tua Tagovailoa sucks and they've basically taken the ball out of his hands.

They are running the ball right down opponents' throats. Successfully. They might be the best team running the football we'll face the rest of the year, so the fucking front 7 better bring their lunch pails.

Do they need three tight ends and an extra offensive lineman to run the ball as well as they are?

Inquiring minds want to know…

[langer]

It will be seen if McDaniels is as smart as everyone thinks.

Idiot Harballs barely used Henry, did get a lot of yards out of the other guys, but had he slammed that guy into the line the second half, it would have been a win. Frickin moron.

[swissvale72]

The tone of the board is negative because those who post here (at least a very large majority) know full well that Jibbs is not capable of delivering a championship given the way he chooses to coach along with the below par coordinators and assistant coaches he insist on employing.


Duh.

I guess we should ignore that and blindly say yay and yippeee because we won a game last Sunday all while ignoring some of the worst offensive & defensive production (for years running now) that won’t change because Tomlin won’t change.

This team has no plan to build a legit contender. They instead go through the motions, change little to nothing, gaslight the fans, then do the same shit over and over.

But kumbayah and a shit. Let’s celebrate these clowns so someone’s fragile well being won’t be dragged down by the negative words of strangers (about a sports team) who are accurately calling out the current state of said team.

Go Steelers! Go Tomlin! The division is almost ours!! Fuck ya!!! Tomlin bout to wrap up yet another NHALS!

Postseason success is a crapshoot. We are damn fortunate this team was good years ago and have no right to complain about current management.

How dare us criticize the product on the field that has gotten progressively worse the longer this team runs through Tomlin.

How fucking dare us.

Funny the reference to "fragile well being" with all of the personal pejoratives toward those of us who simply root for our team to win...as those WE are the oddballs.

Good post, Professor. Totally agree.

Also, you guys know that Noll had his off years, right? Like 5-11 the year prior to the 9-7 wildcard team. Most of us kept rooting for him tho, week after week.

[bradshaw2ben]

Not sure what's worse . . .

Being a fan of a team that is stuck in the mud. Or being on a team message board that is rooting against the team.

Ok, the first is worse. But the second is also quite grim.

Since y'all know that a) the Steelers will win 8-10 games and b) Tomlin will be here next year, you might as well root for your team to win some games.

Let's go Bengals!

That feels like the makings of a riddle for Grasshopper from the Master.

[955876]

The tone of the board is negative because those who post here (at least a very large majority) know full well that Jibbs is not capable of delivering a championship given the way he chooses to coach along with the below par coordinators and assistant coaches he insist on employing.


Duh.

I guess we should ignore that and blindly say yay and yippeee because we won a game last Sunday all while ignoring some of the worst offensive & defensive production (for years running now) that won’t change because Tomlin won’t change.

This team has no plan to build a legit contender. They instead go through the motions, change little to nothing, gaslight the fans, then do the same shit over and over.

But kumbayah and a shit. Let’s celebrate these clowns so someone’s fragile well being won’t be dragged down by the negative words of strangers (about a sports team) who are accurately calling out the current state of said team.

Go Steelers! Go Tomlin! The division is almost ours!! Fuck ya!!! Tomlin bout to wrap up yet another NHALS!

Postseason success is a crapshoot. We are damn fortunate this team was good years ago and have no right to complain about current management.

How dare us criticize the product on the field that has gotten progressively worse the longer this team runs through Tomlin.

How fucking dare us.

Funny the reference to "fragile well being" with all of the personal pejoratives toward those of us who simply root for our team to win...as those WE are the oddballs.

Good post, Professor. Totally agree.

Also, you guys know that Noll had his off years, right? Like 5-11 the year prior to the 9-7 wildcard team. Most of us kept rooting for him tho, week after week.

You’ve never been particularly strong at following a conversation and recognizing what is really being said.

I said in this thread that come game day and while watching the game of course I want them to win. And if we make the playoffs even more so. If we somehow manage to do something we’ve not been able to do in nearly a DECADE and win that wildcard game I’ll want to see them win the following week too.

But I do so recognizing that should those things happen all it does is prolongs Jibba’s tenure here and ultimately prolong our misery as this team cannot win a championship as it is currently being coached.

Thats why all other times than when the game is actually on I am 100% on the side of wanting bad things to happen because that speeds up the process of replacing Jibbs. Art won’t put up with the awful results & booing into perpetuity. It will force change at some point.

And given that like you, I want this team to win, that to me is the best way to get back to being a legit contender once again.

Unlike you, I don’t get excited over shit like winning the division or “playing one extra week a year” because none of it matters.

To you it does. That extra week of football appears vital to your well being. Not to mine.

I’d rather lose out, have the fans pissed & booing, and Art forced to see the mess for what it is vs having middling success that leads to nothing.

To me that is blind homerism.

And just stop with the Noll comparisons. It’s beyond bad. Especially from someone with your historical knowledge.

We aren’t talking bout a 5-11 season here. We are talking about nearly a decade of not even being remotely competitive in a playoff game. Getting blown off the field by some ridiculous number like 73-0 in the first quarter of those games cumulatively.

Longest Noll went without a playoff win was 4 years. And that after delivering 4 Super Bowls.

Jibbs hasn’t done shit since Cowher’s players, culture, and coaches have been gone.

And before you go giving a handy to Halfwit for his “good post” recognize it was your unsolicited post telling anyone who isn’t a blind homer satisfied with the mushy middle to fuck off all because we won a regular season game.

Yippeee. Major accomplishment. Did you also declare the season over and a success when we started 11-0?

And about Halfwit. All he did was come out of retirement to complain about complaining.

At least those complaining bout the team here have an extremely valid argument.

Posting to complain about complaining is the epitome of being a dandelion.

Waaaah, a stranger (rightfully) complaining about the stagnant and directionless path of this team is hurting my ability to enjoy posting about the team.

He could have instead blown some sunshine and puppy dogs up our asses and listed all the great things this team has going for it that we should be cheering for.

That was predictably absent from his rant.

[bradshaw2ben]

Steelers can win out reaching the 3rd seed in my ‘Predictor’ results here: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl- ... -predictor enjoy!

Steelers will win vs Mia and Cleveland
They'll lose to Det and Baltimore

So that makes it another 9-8 year and the division will be up for grabs with us splitting vs Rats. Will come down to other teams

Just wanted to ease the tensions and conflict linking to an optimistic exercise we can experience in the ‘playoff predictor’.

I used the simulator to get the steelers to the 10th pick in the draft, if they lose out and the chips fall their way. Just for fun.

I'm not sure winning the division, getting blown out in rd 1, and keeping both Mike Tomlin/Art II is better than losing out, getting the 10th pick, and announcing Art II and Tomlin are stepping down. I think it's actually a pretty interesting argument fromthe standpoint of being a fan.

[Gonzo]

Steelers will win vs Mia and Cleveland
They'll lose to Det and Baltimore

So that makes it another 9-8 year and the division will be up for grabs with us splitting vs Rats. Will come down to other teams

Just wanted to ease the tensions and conflict linking to an optimistic exercise we can experience in the ‘playoff predictor’.

I used the simulator to get the steelers to the 10th pick in the draft, if they lose out and the chips fall their way. Just for fun.

I'm not sure winning the division, getting blown out in rd 1, and keeping both Mike Tomlin/Art II is better than losing out, getting the 10th pick, and announcing Art II and Tomlin are stepping down. I think it's actually a pretty interesting argument fromthe standpoint of being a fan.

If we werent 95% sure that the first scenario is what will happen i might get on-board to just root for them and shut up. even if they win one game it still does not really change the long term equation and unfortunately it will reinforce it as solid. I also fear in scenrio one that this will also lead to us signing a FA older QB next year instead of developing one. Because Tomlin back next year means he leads the draft and will likley have his option picked up for 2027

[CKSteeler]

Funny the reference to "fragile well being" with all of the personal pejoratives toward those of us who simply root for our team to win...as those WE are the oddballs.

Good post, Professor. Totally agree.

Also, you guys know that Noll had his off years, right? Like 5-11 the year prior to the 9-7 wildcard team. Most of us kept rooting for him tho, week after week.

Swiss, there's some critical differences with the Noll era (yes, I'm too young to have witnessed any of it, but sitll).

1. He was the architect of 4 Super Bowl teams. Not a guy who inherited a ready made roster and eeked out one against a bad Cardinals team. I love the 2008 team and that Super Bowl was my favorite experience as a fan, but those are the realities of Tomlin's crowning achievement. I'm not going to say he was just a passenger, but he sure as shit didn't build anything.
2. In the Noll era, I don't think they were delusional about where they were at as a franchise. They made bad decisions and struggled, but this current regime has convinced itself of some really shitty notions. The mediocrity we see every year is a direct result of their mindset.

I don't expect my team to win a Super Bowl or even go on a deep playoff run every year. But I expect their to be a plan to build a team capable of doing so. I want them swinging for the fences in a coherent manner. Whether you think they care about NHALS or not, all their decisions are basically a byproduct of refusing to look at the actual state of the team and do what every other franchise would have done and rebuild. For me personally, I do think they care about the NHALS streak. It's a point of pride for them and they are convinced that if they just tweak things they are right there.

Then there's Tomlin himself. His philosophy is broken on gamedays. He is a dinosaur in the modern NFL who I have no faith can actually draft and develop the QB who is necessary for the sustained success we want as fans.

The roster right now is more broken than ever as a result. They are further away from being a legit contender than ever. You can sit here and hope against all hope that they get lucky and string something together. I'm looking at this and I'm just seeing that there's no championship window, hasn't been for a very long time and it's not going to get better.

The process here is fundamentally broken. Noll was forced out by the Rooney's despite achieving far more and rightfully so. He had lost his touch. But Tomlin remains untouchable for...reasons. We can debate those all day.

But there are reasons that Tomlin's regime is far more frustrating to me as a fan than just sucking outright or bouncing around. I can take lean years. But there has to be a vision to achieve more and that just isn't there. The decisions they make that produce NHALS and Wild Card appearances are the same ones that prevent them from actually progressing.,

[955876]

Funny the reference to "fragile well being" with all of the personal pejoratives toward those of us who simply root for our team to win...as those WE are the oddballs.

Good post, Professor. Totally agree.

Also, you guys know that Noll had his off years, right? Like 5-11 the year prior to the 9-7 wildcard team. Most of us kept rooting for him tho, week after week.

Swiss, there's some critical differences with the Noll era (yes, I'm too young to have witnessed any of it, but sitll).

1. He was the architect of 4 Super Bowl teams. Not a guy who inherited a ready made roster and eeked out one against a bad Cardinals team. I love the 2008 team and that Super Bowl was my favorite experience as a fan, but those are the realities of Tomlin's crowning achievement. I'm not going to say he was just a passenger, but he sure as shit didn't build anything.
2. In the Noll era, I don't think they were delusional about where they were at as a franchise. They made bad decisions and struggled, but this current regime has convinced itself of some really shitty notions. The mediocrity we see every year is a direct result of their mindset.

I don't expect my team to win a Super Bowl or even go on a deep playoff run every year. But I expect their to be a plan to build a team capable of doing so. I want them swinging for the fences in a coherent manner. Whether you think they care about NHALS or not, all their decisions are basically a byproduct of refusing to look at the actual state of the team and do what every other franchise would have done and rebuild. For me personally, I do think they care about the NHALS streak. It's a point of pride for them and they are convinced that if they just tweak things they are right there.

Then there's Tomlin himself. His philosophy is broken on gamedays. He is a dinosaur in the modern NFL who I have no faith can actually draft and develop the QB who is necessary for the sustained success we want as fans.

The roster right now is more broken than ever as a result. They are further away from being a legit contender than ever. You can sit here and hope against all hope that they get lucky and string something together. I'm looking at this and I'm just seeing that there's no championship window, hasn't been for a very long time and it's not going to get better.

The process here is fundamentally broken. Noll was forced out by the Rooney's despite achieving far more and rightfully so. He had lost his touch. But Tomlin remains untouchable for...reasons. We can debate those all day.

But there are reasons that Tomlin's regime is far more frustrating to me as a fan than just sucking outright or bouncing around. I can take lean years. But there has to be a vision to achieve more and that just isn't there. The decisions they make that produce NHALS and Wild Card appearances are the same ones that prevent them from actually progressing.,

Now THIS was a good post and 100% spot on.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

Steelers will win vs Mia and Cleveland
They'll lose to Det and Baltimore

So that makes it another 9-8 year and the division will be up for grabs with us splitting vs Rats. Will come down to other teams

Just wanted to ease the tensions and conflict linking to an optimistic exercise we can experience in the ‘playoff predictor’.

I used the simulator to get the steelers to the 10th pick in the draft, if they lose out and the chips fall their way. Just for fun.

I'm not sure winning the division, getting blown out in rd 1, and keeping both Mike Tomlin/Art II is better than losing out, getting the 10th pick, and announcing Art II and Tomlin are stepping down. I think it's actually a pretty interesting argument from the standpoint of being a fan.

hallejullah - my wish from Santa. I actually wouldnt want Jibbs to have 2 SBs he doesn't deserve anything else but his fucking cash and his arrogant messages via kisses and chest thumps

[swissvale72]

Funny the reference to "fragile well being" with all of the personal pejoratives toward those of us who simply root for our team to win...as those WE are the oddballs.

Good post, Professor. Totally agree.

Also, you guys know that Noll had his off years, right? Like 5-11 the year prior to the 9-7 wildcard team. Most of us kept rooting for him tho, week after week.

Swiss, there's some critical differences with the Noll era (yes, I'm too young to have witnessed any of it, but sitll).

1. He was the architect of 4 Super Bowl teams. Not a guy who inherited a ready made roster and eeked out one against a bad Cardinals team. I love the 2008 team and that Super Bowl was my favorite experience as a fan, but those are the realities of Tomlin's crowning achievement. I'm not going to say he was just a passenger, but he sure as shit didn't build anything.
2. In the Noll era, I don't think they were delusional about where they were at as a franchise. They made bad decisions and struggled, but this current regime has convinced itself of some really shitty notions. The mediocrity we see every year is a direct result of their mindset.

I don't expect my team to win a Super Bowl or even go on a deep playoff run every year. But I expect their to be a plan to build a team capable of doing so. I want them swinging for the fences in a coherent manner. Whether you think they care about NHALS or not, all their decisions are basically a byproduct of refusing to look at the actual state of the team and do what every other franchise would have done and rebuild. For me personally, I do think they care about the NHALS streak. It's a point of pride for them and they are convinced that if they just tweak things they are right there.

Then there's Tomlin himself. His philosophy is broken on gamedays. He is a dinosaur in the modern NFL who I have no faith can actually draft and develop the QB who is necessary for the sustained success we want as fans.

The roster right now is more broken than ever as a result. They are further away from being a legit contender than ever. You can sit here and hope against all hope that they get lucky and string something together. I'm looking at this and I'm just seeing that there's no championship window, hasn't been for a very long time and it's not going to get better.

The process here is fundamentally broken. Noll was forced out by the Rooney's despite achieving far more and rightfully so. He had lost his touch. But Tomlin remains untouchable for...reasons. We can debate those all day.

But there are reasons that Tomlin's regime is far more frustrating to me as a fan than just sucking outright or bouncing around. I can take lean years. But there has to be a vision to achieve more and that just isn't there. The decisions they make that produce NHALS and Wild Card appearances are the same ones that prevent them from actually progressing.,

Now THIS was a good post and 100% spot on.

I'm good with all that too… But Noll won one playoff game in his final 12 seasons, and nobody was rooting for steeler losses.

[955876]

The process here is fundamentally broken.

Exactly. It is t about a few down years. It’s about a decade of futility due to a process that is fu dementia broken.

It’s like using bait to catch a fish that doesn’t actually eat that type of food.

That is Swiss and a few others here. Sitting there hoping the fish will bite this time around.

Meanwhile, the fisherman that are actually reeling them in are snickering while saying “doesn’t he know he’s fishing with the wrong bait”????

[955876]

Swiss, there's some critical differences with the Noll era (yes, I'm too young to have witnessed any of it, but sitll).

1. He was the architect of 4 Super Bowl teams. Not a guy who inherited a ready made roster and eeked out one against a bad Cardinals team. I love the 2008 team and that Super Bowl was my favorite experience as a fan, but those are the realities of Tomlin's crowning achievement. I'm not going to say he was just a passenger, but he sure as shit didn't build anything.
2. In the Noll era, I don't think they were delusional about where they were at as a franchise. They made bad decisions and struggled, but this current regime has convinced itself of some really shitty notions. The mediocrity we see every year is a direct result of their mindset.

I don't expect my team to win a Super Bowl or even go on a deep playoff run every year. But I expect their to be a plan to build a team capable of doing so. I want them swinging for the fences in a coherent manner. Whether you think they care about NHALS or not, all their decisions are basically a byproduct of refusing to look at the actual state of the team and do what every other franchise would have done and rebuild. For me personally, I do think they care about the NHALS streak. It's a point of pride for them and they are convinced that if they just tweak things they are right there.

Then there's Tomlin himself. His philosophy is broken on gamedays. He is a dinosaur in the modern NFL who I have no faith can actually draft and develop the QB who is necessary for the sustained success we want as fans.

The roster right now is more broken than ever as a result. They are further away from being a legit contender than ever. You can sit here and hope against all hope that they get lucky and string something together. I'm looking at this and I'm just seeing that there's no championship window, hasn't been for a very long time and it's not going to get better.

The process here is fundamentally broken. Noll was forced out by the Rooney's despite achieving far more and rightfully so. He had lost his touch. But Tomlin remains untouchable for...reasons. We can debate those all day.

But there are reasons that Tomlin's regime is far more frustrating to me as a fan than just sucking outright or bouncing around. I can take lean years. But there has to be a vision to achieve more and that just isn't there. The decisions they make that produce NHALS and Wild Card appearances are the same ones that prevent them from actually progressing.,

Now THIS was a good post and 100% spot on.

I'm good with all that too… But Noll won one playoff game in his final 12 seasons, and nobody was rooting for steeler losses.

Wrong. He won two playoff games in his final 12 seasons.

And as it has been pointed out, Noll had more leeway because (1) he was 4-0 in Super Bowls and (2) he built those Super Bowl teams.

Jibba can’t say that now can he?

He’s got 1 more playoff win than Noll over the past 12 years and that win was literally gifted to him by the Bengals.

He has also made this franchise worse (much worse) the longer he’s been in charge. There is no history of him building anything.

Not the same at all.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

Funny the reference to "fragile well being" with all of the personal pejoratives toward those of us who simply root for our team to win...as those WE are the oddballs.

Good post, Professor. Totally agree.

Also, you guys know that Noll had his off years, right? Like 5-11 the year prior to the 9-7 wildcard team. Most of us kept rooting for him tho, week after week.

Swiss, there's some critical differences with the Noll era (yes, I'm too young to have witnessed any of it, but sitll).

1. He was the architect of 4 Super Bowl teams. Not a guy who inherited a ready made roster and eeked out one against a bad Cardinals team. I love the 2008 team and that Super Bowl was my favorite experience as a fan, but those are the realities of Tomlin's crowning achievement. I'm not going to say he was just a passenger, but he sure as shit didn't build anything.
2. In the Noll era, I don't think they were delusional about where they were at as a franchise. They made bad decisions and struggled, but this current regime has convinced itself of some really shitty notions. The mediocrity we see every year is a direct result of their mindset.

I don't expect my team to win a Super Bowl or even go on a deep playoff run every year. But I expect their to be a plan to build a team capable of doing so. I want them swinging for the fences in a coherent manner. Whether you think they care about NHALS or not, all their decisions are basically a byproduct of refusing to look at the actual state of the team and do what every other franchise would have done and rebuild. For me personally, I do think they care about the NHALS streak. It's a point of pride for them and they are convinced that if they just tweak things they are right there.

Then there's Tomlin himself. His philosophy is broken on gamedays. He is a dinosaur in the modern NFL who I have no faith can actually draft and develop the QB who is necessary for the sustained success we want as fans.

The roster right now is more broken than ever as a result. They are further away from being a legit contender than ever. You can sit here and hope against all hope that they get lucky and string something together. I'm looking at this and I'm just seeing that there's no championship window, hasn't been for a very long time and it's not going to get better.

The process here is fundamentally broken. Noll was forced out by the Rooney's despite achieving far more and rightfully so. He had lost his touch. But Tomlin remains untouchable for...reasons. We can debate those all day.

But there are reasons that Tomlin's regime is far more frustrating to me as a fan than just sucking outright or bouncing around. I can take lean years. But there has to be a vision to achieve more and that just isn't there. The decisions they make that produce NHALS and Wild Card appearances are the same ones that prevent them from actually progressing.,

Now THIS was a good post and 100% spot on.

Good stuff,

you can tell the real people who have real work responsibilities and deal in present tense, than those who live a life full of put up pretending and false faces

If you deal with life in all aspects as real, then life gets easier. Put up, fake, pretentious, political BS to run through life is one sure way to run into life's walls. So the realists are in one camp and the pretenders are in another. Let's be honest, it bleeds over to our sports beliefs too

[swissvale72]

Now THIS was a good post and 100% spot on.

I'm good with all that too… But Noll won one playoff game in his final 12 seasons, and nobody was rooting for steeler losses.

Wrong. He won two playoff games in his final 12 seasons.

And as it has been pointed out, Noll had more leeway because (1) he was 4-0 in Super Bowls and (2) he built those Super Bowl teams.

Jibba can’t say that now can he?

He’s got 1 more playoff win than Noll over the past 12 years and that win was literally gifted to him by the Bengals.

He has also made this franchise worse (much worse) the longer he’s been in charge. There is no history of him building anything.

Not the same at all.

Okay 2....my mistake. But now you're suggesting that one of Tomlin's wins essentially doesn't count.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

I put ART ROONEY 2 and TOMLIN in the pretending camp, the money doesn't change shit

If art cannot see that tomlin is substandard and sliding further away from success, then he is a complete fool.

[swissvale72]

The tone of the board is negative because those who post here (at least a very large majority) know full well that Jibbs is not capable of delivering a championship given the way he chooses to coach along with the below par coordinators and assistant coaches he insist on employing.


Duh.

I guess we should ignore that and blindly say yay and yippeee because we won a game last Sunday all while ignoring some of the worst offensive & defensive production (for years running now) that won’t change because Tomlin won’t change.

This team has no plan to build a legit contender. They instead go through the motions, change little to nothing, gaslight the fans, then do the same shit over and over.

But kumbayah and a shit. Let’s celebrate these clowns so someone’s fragile well being won’t be dragged down by the negative words of strangers (about a sports team) who are accurately calling out the current state of said team.

Go Steelers! Go Tomlin! The division is almost ours!! Fuck ya!!! Tomlin bout to wrap up yet another NHALS!

Postseason success is a crapshoot. We are damn fortunate this team was good years ago and have no right to complain about current management.

How dare us criticize the product on the field that has gotten progressively worse the longer this team runs through Tomlin.

How fucking dare us.

Funny the reference to "fragile well being" with all of the personal pejoratives toward those of us who simply root for our team to win...as those WE are the oddballs.

Good post, Professor. Totally agree.

Also, you guys know that Noll had his off years, right? Like 5-11 the year prior to the 9-7 wildcard team. Most of us kept rooting for him tho, week after week.

You’ve never been particularly strong at following a conversation and recognizing what is really being said.

I said in this thread that come game day and while watching the game of course I want them to win. And if we make the playoffs even more so. If we somehow manage to do something we’ve not been able to do in nearly a DECADE and win that wildcard game I’ll want to see them win the following week too.

But I do so recognizing that should those things happen all it does is prolongs Jibba’s tenure here and ultimately prolong our misery as this team cannot win a championship as it is currently being coached.

Thats why all other times than when the game is actually on I am 100% on the side of wanting bad things to happen because that speeds up the process of replacing Jibbs. Art won’t put up with the awful results & booing into perpetuity. It will force change at some point.

And given that like you, I want this team to win, that to me is the best way to get back to being a legit contender once again.

Unlike you, I don’t get excited over shit like winning the division or “playing one extra week a year” because none of it matters.

To you it does. That extra week of football appears vital to your well being. Not to mine.

I’d rather lose out, have the fans pissed & booing, and Art forced to see the mess for what it is vs having middling success that leads to nothing.

To me that is blind homerism.

And just stop with the Noll comparisons. It’s beyond bad. Especially from someone with your historical knowledge.

We aren’t talking bout a 5-11 season here. We are talking about nearly a decade of not even being remotely competitive in a playoff game. Getting blown off the field by some ridiculous number like 73-0 in the first quarter of those games cumulatively.

Longest Noll went without a playoff win was 4 years. And that after delivering 4 Super Bowls.

Jibbs hasn’t done shit since Cowher’s players, culture, and coaches have been gone.

And before you go giving a handy to Halfwit for his “good post” recognize it was your unsolicited post telling anyone who isn’t a blind homer satisfied with the mushy middle to fuck off all because we won a regular season game.

Yippeee. Major accomplishment. Did you also declare the season over and a success when we started 11-0?

And about Halfwit. All he did was come out of retirement to complain about complaining.

At least those complaining bout the team here have an extremely valid argument.

Posting to complain about complaining is the epitome of being a dandelion.

Waaaah, a stranger (rightfully) complaining about the stagnant and directionless path of this team is hurting my ability to enjoy posting about the team.

He could have instead blown some sunshine and puppy dogs up our asses and listed all the great things this team has going for it that we should be cheering for.

That was predictably absent from his rant.

Sure, 95… And you're 100% with your conversation focus right? What your particularly good that is assuming the motivations of others which are often bullshit assumptions on your part...like "vital" to my well being. What's so fucking hard to understand? When the playoffs start, I would rather see my team play and not play very simple.

[SteelPro]

Let’s also note here that when Noll coached only 10 teams made the playoffs. Getting a ticket punched for the postseason was a much more difficult chore. Tomlin’s mediocrity gets rewarded more favorably in this era because it allows him to add playoff appearances to his resume in which his team invariably underperforms. Noll was the exact opposite. When he got a team to the playoffs it nearly always overperformed.

[955876]

I'm good with all that too… But Noll won one playoff game in his final 12 seasons, and nobody was rooting for steeler losses.

Wrong. He won two playoff games in his final 12 seasons.

And as it has been pointed out, Noll had more leeway because (1) he was 4-0 in Super Bowls and (2) he built those Super Bowl teams.

Jibba can’t say that now can he?

He’s got 1 more playoff win than Noll over the past 12 years and that win was literally gifted to him by the Bengals.

He has also made this franchise worse (much worse) the longer he’s been in charge. There is no history of him building anything.

Not the same at all.

Okay 2....my mistake. But now you're suggesting that one of Tomlin's wins essentially doesn't count.

A win is a win so it counts.

I’m simply pointing out that game was essentially lost till the Bengals gifted us 30 yards as time expired on two very idiotic personal foul penalties.

Now Benjisan might have pulled out the FG drive without those. It can’t be disputed though that those 30 yards greatly impacted that final result.

Are we going to crown Jibba for 3 wins over the last 12 years vs Noll’s 2 wins over his last 12 years? Especially when Jibba hasn’t come even remotely close to sniffing a playoff win over the past 8 years?

The man 100% deserves all the vitriol coming his way because he chooses to play in a manner that directly leads to these poor results.

[955876]

Let’s also note here that when Noll coached only 10 teams made the playoffs. Getting a ticket punched for the postseason was a much more difficult chore. Tomlin’s mediocrity gets rewarded more favorably in this era because it allows him to add playoff appearances to his resume in which his team invariably underperforms. Noll was the exact opposite. When he got a team to the playoffs it nearly always overperformed.

16-8 postseason record.

Jibba’s?

Noll’s team also beat other great teams and HOF players/coaches.

Jibbs has gotten lucky being able to beat the Alex Smiffs of the world without having to score a TD.

[Jizz Mop]

Noll almost willed a Bubby Brister / Merril Hoge led Steelers team to a playoff win against a much better Broncos team

89 team, Jan 90 playoff game

This dumbass could never pull something like that off