Pickett Would Have Had 2 More Wins!

[LakecrestSteeler]

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[tbsteel]

Kenny Pickett has played in 25 games.

He is 14-11.

In his 14 wins, the opposing team has scored 20 or more points in just 1 game. 1 whole game.

That game? Week 2 against Cleveland this year where the defense scored 14 of our 26 points.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Pickett would have won these last 2 games!

[K_C_]

Pickett would have won these last 2 games!

1 of them at least.

Probably both.

[Jtf]

He will get his chance next year. Year 3 in Pickett era Much harder schedule though.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

probably would have, but barely… the problem is this offense isn’t designed to win games, it’s designed to not lose them. it’s outdated no matter who runs it. mitch lost the game tonight but it’s not his ship… he doesn’t know how it’s run.. the problem is pickett does.. but try can’t be that risk adverse in todays nfl… they need a new install but it’s too late for that (thank you tomlin). disappointed in the offensive coaches for not getting more changed and updated.

[CKSteeler]

I think Tomlin himself has a saying about availability. So, the constant injuries at inopportune times is kind of an issue in itself. Roethlisberger missed time, but his injury issues were rather overstated and he rushed back on to the field more often than not.

That said, who the fuck cares if Pickett wins a game or two more than Mitch Trubisky? You people need to have this sink in - this team was not winning anything, not a playoff game, with Pickett or Trubisky.

This season would have been better off if the Steelers lost a few more games, but did so in a fashion where Pickett was learning and growing as a playmaker. If that potential is even there. This was never a Super Bowl team unless he came out playing like Patrick Mahomes somehow with Matt Canada. As is, it's a lost season.

The number one goal of the year was to evaluate Pickett and to have him grow. It's an abject failure at both.

[Steelperch]

Pickett would have won these last 2 games!

1 of them at least.

Probably both.

OMG, he’s serious

[SteelerDayTrader]

Pickett would have won these last 2 games!

1 of them at least.

Probably both.

OMG, he’s serious

[StillerDownSouth]

This is glorious. Why do these 2 think Pickett is any good, I’m dumfounded.

[955876]

This is glorious. Why do these 2 think Pickett is any good, I’m dumfounded.

Because nobody was on PR Picket’s nuts harder than these two after we won the preseason Super Bowl.

Lake had lil Ken in the HOF and KC was convinced that Pickett was going to “shit on his doubters”.

Oh he shit on them alright. He’s shit on all of us.

I wasn’t a doubter at that point. Am now. No way he becomes a top tier QB. None.

Career JAG backup.

[Stosh-67]

Same jersey...different number.
Same terrible QB play.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

Same jersey...different number.
Same terrible QB play.

I ask the question, is this offense capable of having good qb play? nobody is open, the routes run into each other, they can't block, mason cole can't snap....

Tom Brady in his prime sucked when you got pressure up the middle, and given Mason Cole is the center, so that's pretty much all the time.

Pickett deals with it by trying to spin move away, and Trubinsky deals with it throwing picks off his back foot.

The fact is, neither is a good option and there really isn't a good option until this offensive coaching staff gets replaced by something new with a whole new mentality... and I'm not sure Tomlin wants that.... so here we are.

The next step should be to replace Pat Meyer... you want to talk about regression... you spend money and draft capital on an offensive line and it gets worse, you let guys go to other teams and they look better.... that's an easy change right there.

[LakecrestSteeler]

This is glorious. Why do these 2 think Pickett is any good, I’m dumfounded.

Why do you guys think you have the monopoly on magic glasses to properly evaluate Pickett in his second year?

Do you guys not see the complete chaos of poor coaching all around? We just lost to two 2 win teams!

You all do not see the peach tree dish experiment on the west coast?

His name gets brought up a lot on this esteemed board! The experiment goes like this. How is Brock Purdy able to flourish and Kenny Pickett flounders and possibly founders? Is it nature or nurture?

Let’s hear the QB evaluation arguments equivalent to the arguments put forth from the atheists and the Christians/Muslims/Hindus/Jews; the believers ridiculously arguing that there is only one true God and the atheists ridiculously arguing how they are positive there is no god.

We are all full of shit pretending we know Kenny is it or not it, or that you can see Brock has it and Kenny doesn’t. Or it is obviously nature and nurture is just a small percentage!


If you want to argue, argue how many on this board completely underestimated how bad things were in the coaching ranks and the developmental ranks! The Steelers are in freefall and QB doesn’t have much to do with it!

[Works At A Bank]

This is glorious. Why do these 2 think Pickett is any good, I’m dumfounded.

Because nobody was on PR Picket’s nuts harder than these two after we won the preseason Super Bowl.

Lake had lil Ken in the HOF and KC was convinced that Pickett was going to “shit on his doubters”.

Oh he shit on them alright. He’s shit on all of us.

I wasn’t a doubter at that point. Am now. No way he becomes a top tier QB. None.

Career JAG backup.

I was wooed by the alleged offseason work Pickett supposedly put in and then I got suckered into believing in him and this team after the preseason. I even started a thread titled KP8 Crow. I was terribly, terrible wrong. I admitted that back in September. Some people on this board refuse to see the writing on the wall because they are so invested in being right that they’ll literally argue over bullshit angles. But but but QB play isn’t all THAT important! Kenny is stacking wins! We don’t care how! Yeah, sure…ok. Those types can’t see the forest because of the trees. Hanging onto hopes of seeing the Steelers in a playoff game…fucking laughable.

[K_C_]

I understand the anger at Pickett because he's the starter and the offense has underachieved, but he doesn't lose these last 2 games. No way, no how. Maybe one of them, but not both. Just wouldn't have happened.

Kenny moved the ball against AZ two straight drives. Once it ended in a field goal, the second at the AZ 1 yard line. We score more points in the second half yesterday with Kenny and likely win on a Boz field goal late or with a late Kenny drive.

Pickett will be the starter next year and he should. Mitch should be out of the NFL. Sad Mason didn't get a chance yesterday because I believe we have a much better chance at winning that game and I seriously hope he becomes KP8's back up next season and Mitch is gone.

The third QB could be someone that challenges Pickett in year 4 if Kenny doesn't make major strides. Maybe a third rounder this April and that's pretty much what I expect to happen.

Sadly, even with as bad as Mitch played yesterday, especially in the first half, the play calling was awful. The constant runs up the middle from Harris on second down or the slow developing pitches that lost yards. Warren deserves so many more opportunities than Najee but he just isn't going to get them in Pittsburgh.

Outside of adding another corner, WR, SS, ILB and a C this April, I don't see much changing because Mike Tomlin is going absolutely nowhere.

[Kodiak.]

Nobody hates Pickett, he's just very limited.

The insufferable ball-washing and excuse making though....Fortunately only about 320 more days of that to go.

[Steelperch]

I understand the anger at Pickett because he's the starter and the offense has underachieved, but he doesn't lose these last 2 games. No way, no how. Maybe one of them, but not both. Just wouldn't have happened.

Kenny moved the ball against AZ two straight drives. Once it ended in a field goal, the second at the AZ 1 yard line. We score more points in the second half yesterday with Kenny and likely win on a Boz field goal late or with a late Kenny drive.

Pickett will be the starter next year and he should. Mitch should be out of the NFL. Sad Mason didn't get a chance yesterday because I believe we have a much better chance at winning that game and I seriously hope he becomes KP8's back up next season and Mitch is gone.

The third QB could be someone that challenges Pickett in year 4 if Kenny doesn't make major strides. Maybe a third rounder this April and that's pretty much what I expect to happen.

Sadly, even with as bad as Mitch played yesterday, especially in the first half, the play calling was awful. The constant runs up the middle from Harris on second down or the slow developing pitches that lost yards. Warren deserves so many more opportunities than Najee but he just isn't going to get them in Pittsburgh.

Outside of adding another corner, WR, SS, ILB and a C this April, I don't see much changing because Mike Tomlin is going absolutely nowhere.

This guy is honestly saying scoring 3 points in a half against the worst defense in football is a badge of honor. Then he thinks Kenny could’ve outscored an opposing team who scored over 20 points which has never happened in his career. Agendas die hard.

[Deebo]

This KP/MT bullshit makes me laugh. It's like arguing about political candidates: they both suck, but in very different ways

Reminds me of Major League when the other team hits a home run and they were debating whether that ball would make it out or not and the dude goes: "Who gives a shit? It's gone"

[jeemie]

I understand the anger at Pickett because he's the starter and the offense has underachieved, but he doesn't lose these last 2 games. No way, no how. Maybe one of them, but not both. Just wouldn't have happened.

Kenny moved the ball against AZ two straight drives. Once it ended in a field goal, the second at the AZ 1 yard line. We score more points in the second half yesterday with Kenny and likely win on a Boz field goal late or with a late Kenny drive.

Pickett will be the starter next year and he should. Mitch should be out of the NFL. Sad Mason didn't get a chance yesterday because I believe we have a much better chance at winning that game and I seriously hope he becomes KP8's back up next season and Mitch is gone.

The third QB could be someone that challenges Pickett in year 4 if Kenny doesn't make major strides. Maybe a third rounder this April and that's pretty much what I expect to happen.

Sadly, even with as bad as Mitch played yesterday, especially in the first half, the play calling was awful. The constant runs up the middle from Harris on second down or the slow developing pitches that lost yards. Warren deserves so many more opportunities than Najee but he just isn't going to get them in Pittsburgh.

Outside of adding another corner, WR, SS, ILB and a C this April, I don't see much changing because Mike Tomlin is going absolutely nowhere.

You actually have zero evidence for this. Steelers moved the ball well against Cincinnati... It resulted in a grand total of 16 points.

Everyone should know by now that you cannot extrapolate one or two good drives into a certaintly that more will come.

Kenny could have easily lost both games.

[Steelperch]

I understand the anger at Pickett because he's the starter and the offense has underachieved, but he doesn't lose these last 2 games. No way, no how. Maybe one of them, but not both. Just wouldn't have happened.

Kenny moved the ball against AZ two straight drives. Once it ended in a field goal, the second at the AZ 1 yard line. We score more points in the second half yesterday with Kenny and likely win on a Boz field goal late or with a late Kenny drive.

Pickett will be the starter next year and he should. Mitch should be out of the NFL. Sad Mason didn't get a chance yesterday because I believe we have a much better chance at winning that game and I seriously hope he becomes KP8's back up next season and Mitch is gone.

The third QB could be someone that challenges Pickett in year 4 if Kenny doesn't make major strides. Maybe a third rounder this April and that's pretty much what I expect to happen.

Sadly, even with as bad as Mitch played yesterday, especially in the first half, the play calling was awful. The constant runs up the middle from Harris on second down or the slow developing pitches that lost yards. Warren deserves so many more opportunities than Najee but he just isn't going to get them in Pittsburgh.

Outside of adding another corner, WR, SS, ILB and a C this April, I don't see much changing because Mike Tomlin is going absolutely nowhere.

You actually have zero evidence for this. Steelers moved the ball well against Cincinnati... It resulted in a grand total of 16 points.

Everyone should know by now that you cannot extrapolate one or two good drives into a certaintly that more will come.

Kenny could have easily lost both games.

The defense got gashed in both games. QB isn’t changing that. The question is, do we have any evidence Pickett can outscore a team who hangs 20 on our D. We have two years of evidence he absolutely cannot win a game where our D allows 20.

[jeemie]

Yep, there is that too. Like I said elsewhere, the blueprint is out until we prove we can stop it... Opposing offenses are going to attack our middle linebackers.

And if our defense can't generate short fields with turnovers or hold the opposing team under 20... It's not going to matter who the quarterback is.

[Kodiak.]

Yeah, Mid Kenny is simply a mediocre backup playing in a bad offense.

His fanboi's are basically arguing "the turd wouldn't stink if you took it out of the pile of manure". No, it would still be a turd...

[K_C_]

I understand the anger at Pickett because he's the starter and the offense has underachieved, but he doesn't lose these last 2 games. No way, no how. Maybe one of them, but not both. Just wouldn't have happened.

Kenny moved the ball against AZ two straight drives. Once it ended in a field goal, the second at the AZ 1 yard line. We score more points in the second half yesterday with Kenny and likely win on a Boz field goal late or with a late Kenny drive.

Pickett will be the starter next year and he should. Mitch should be out of the NFL. Sad Mason didn't get a chance yesterday because I believe we have a much better chance at winning that game and I seriously hope he becomes KP8's back up next season and Mitch is gone.

The third QB could be someone that challenges Pickett in year 4 if Kenny doesn't make major strides. Maybe a third rounder this April and that's pretty much what I expect to happen.

Sadly, even with as bad as Mitch played yesterday, especially in the first half, the play calling was awful. The constant runs up the middle from Harris on second down or the slow developing pitches that lost yards. Warren deserves so many more opportunities than Najee but he just isn't going to get them in Pittsburgh.

Outside of adding another corner, WR, SS, ILB and a C this April, I don't see much changing because Mike Tomlin is going absolutely nowhere.

This guy is honestly saying scoring 3 points in a half against the worst defense in football is a badge of honor. Then he thinks Kenny could’ve outscored an opposing team who scored over 20 points which has never happened in his career. Agendas die hard.

It's not about agendas. It's about results.

You couldn't answer me yourself before, because you didn't like the answer. When Pickett went out, he was on the 1 yard line. How many times has he (or the Steelers this year, for that matter) been stopped on sneaks in short yardage? I don''t remember a single time....do you? Yeah, probably not.

Moments like Pickett getting injured, Harris getting stonewalled and Arizona driving 99 fucking yards (didn't hear you say a lot about that...I wonder why? ) right after alter the outcome of games.

Then remember what Mitch did on the low Cole snap that truly doomed the Steelers? Yeah, Kenny got low snaps all year but I don't remember him failing to at the very least fall on them.

Arguing with you truly is useless. Mitch was terrible in the first half against the Pats and helped New England build momentum (not putting the entire blame on Trubisky although he was terrible, so was the o-line and play calling) and Trubisky was utterly awful until garbage time vs the Cardinals.

Somehow, Pickett avoided huge mistakes and allowed the Steelers to hang around and win games late. Zero doubt in my mind Pickett (at the very least) gets Boz a field goal attempt on the second to the last drive. No question about it.

I just hope the next QB the Steelers draft, if Kenny fails next season, is someone you take in your mock draft so you don't have to hate the guy before he even plays in his first game.

But you probably will anyway.

[K_C_]

I understand the anger at Pickett because he's the starter and the offense has underachieved, but he doesn't lose these last 2 games. No way, no how. Maybe one of them, but not both. Just wouldn't have happened.

Kenny moved the ball against AZ two straight drives. Once it ended in a field goal, the second at the AZ 1 yard line. We score more points in the second half yesterday with Kenny and likely win on a Boz field goal late or with a late Kenny drive.

Pickett will be the starter next year and he should. Mitch should be out of the NFL. Sad Mason didn't get a chance yesterday because I believe we have a much better chance at winning that game and I seriously hope he becomes KP8's back up next season and Mitch is gone.

The third QB could be someone that challenges Pickett in year 4 if Kenny doesn't make major strides. Maybe a third rounder this April and that's pretty much what I expect to happen.

Sadly, even with as bad as Mitch played yesterday, especially in the first half, the play calling was awful. The constant runs up the middle from Harris on second down or the slow developing pitches that lost yards. Warren deserves so many more opportunities than Najee but he just isn't going to get them in Pittsburgh.

Outside of adding another corner, WR, SS, ILB and a C this April, I don't see much changing because Mike Tomlin is going absolutely nowhere.

You actually have zero evidence for this. Steelers moved the ball well against Cincinnati... It resulted in a grand total of 16 points.

Everyone should know by now that you cannot extrapolate one or two good drives into a certaintly that more will come.

Kenny could have easily lost both games.

Christ dude Diontae Johnson didn't hang on to probably the easiest TD catch he'll ever see in his life.



No, they didn't score a ton of points in that game but the offense played much better than it had all year.

It's pointless to argue the point because Pickett will get next year (although I could see them drafting a QB to challenge him in maybe round 3. Higher if they trade down and pick up a few extra picks) and we'll see what happens. No question in my mind the Steelers are playoff bound if Pickett doesn't get injured.

Trubisky is a loss waiting to happen. He was so brutal on those last 2 drives, it was laughable.

[jeemie]

You are trying to make a false dichotomy.

Whether Pickett would have won or lost those two ga me has nothing to do with Mitch Trubisky.

We don't have to point to the Cincy game.

We can point to the two Browns' games where we only one the first one because of defense...Kenny had that scintillating -9 yards of offense in the 4th Quarter.

And the second game where again the defense held the Browns to 10 points to give Kenny a couple opportunities to win...and he failed.

Or last year when the defense shut down the Dolphins after letting them race to a 16-0 lead. Steelers made it 16-10 at the half and then failed to score themselves the entire 4th Quarter.

We don't win games because of Kenny. We win games when the defense holds the other team down so he can make his one or two good plays a game.

Who cares whether Kenny is "marginally" better than Mitch?

That's like saying Bubby Brister was better than Todd Blackledge.

They both suck.

[Kodiak.]

Christ dude Diontae Johnson didn't hang on to probably the easiest TD catch he'll ever see in his life.

It's hilarious how DJ seems to catch TDs from everyone not named Kenny.

Hell, DJ has two TD's in two weeks with Mitch - that takes any receiver half a season with Mid Kenny.

[K_C_]

You are trying to make a false dichotomy.

Whether Pickett would have won or lost those two ga me has nothing to do with Mitch Trubisky.

We don't have to point to the Cincy game.

We can point to the two Browns' games where we only one the first one because of defense...Kenny had that scintillating -9 yards of offense in the 4th Quarter.

And the second game where again the defense held the Browns to 10 points to give Kenny a couple opportunities to win...and he failed.

Or last year when the defense shut down the Dolphins after letting them race to a 16-0 lead. Steelers made it 16-10 at the half and then failed to score themselves the entire 4th Quarter.

We don't win games because of Kenny. We win games when the defense holds the other team down so he can make his one or two good plays a game.

Who cares whether Kenny is "marginally" better than Mitch?

That's like saying Bubby Brister was better than Todd Blackledge.

They both suck.

This is horseshit.

Pickett has 7 game winning drives in his 14 wins. Dude obviously needs to score more points but Trubisky was awful with the game on the line yesterday and Pickett hasn't been. You can compare Pickett and Trubisky to Blackledge and Brister. I don't give a shit, but Pickett's record isn't only because the defense scores for him.

Pickett has, in most cases, been at his best with the game on the line. Mitch was brutal with the game on the line. This shit isn't rocket science. With Pickett this is a playoff team. With Mitch, it isn't.

You can disagree and if so, we ain't seeing eye to eye on this.

[zeke5123]

It is quite funny. The offense scored roughly what a normal KP offense scores against a pretty good defense. The idea Pickett would've done better is seemingly against all available evidence.

But again this post was started by a guy who claimed he knew Pickett was a franchise QB because of the Bills embarrassment last year and kept alive by his mentally challenged friend KC.

[zeke5123]

You are trying to make a false dichotomy.

Whether Pickett would have won or lost those two ga me has nothing to do with Mitch Trubisky.

We don't have to point to the Cincy game.

We can point to the two Browns' games where we only one the first one because of defense...Kenny had that scintillating -9 yards of offense in the 4th Quarter.

And the second game where again the defense held the Browns to 10 points to give Kenny a couple opportunities to win...and he failed.

Or last year when the defense shut down the Dolphins after letting them race to a 16-0 lead. Steelers made it 16-10 at the half and then failed to score themselves the entire 4th Quarter.

We don't win games because of Kenny. We win games when the defense holds the other team down so he can make his one or two good plays a game.

Who cares whether Kenny is "marginally" better than Mitch?

That's like saying Bubby Brister was better than Todd Blackledge.

They both suck.

This is horseshit.

Pickett has 7 game winning drives in his 14 wins. Dude obviously needs to score more points but Trubisky was awful with the game on the line yesterday and Pickett hasn't been. You can compare Pickett and Trubisky to Blackledge and Brister. I don't give a shit, but Pickett's record isn't only because the defense scores for him.

Pickett has, in most cases, been at his best with the game on the line. Mitch was brutal with the game on the line. This shit isn't rocket science. With Pickett this is a playoff team. With Mitch, it isn't.

You can disagree and if so, we ain't seeing eye to eye on this.

How many times has Pickett won when his defense gives up more than 20 points?