Pretty obvious that Levis > Kenny

[Stillchest]

Agreed, if things didn't turn around at the end of the third and the fourth, I was going to post as much, and add even if the ribs were the problem, then that's on KP8 for saying he was good to go. But the trend of 4th quarter play displayed again, just can't be ignored.

He made 1 fuckin throw in the 4th quarter. Is that a trend?

Nope, the trend is that he made the number of throws his team needed him to make for another come from behind 4th Q win. And the opposing Qb didn't. Nothing more, nothing less, why is that so difficult to see, and gets some people all riled up?

1. Fans have been spoiled by Ben Roethlisberger.

2. Regardless of the QB, Tomlin’s offensive philosophy is boring and counterintuitive as shit.

3. Fans are fixated on QB’s with outlier physical tools.

4. Watching Tomlin’s team post-Ben Roethlisberger is like watching Groundhog Day each season on a loop.

5. Fans take sports entertainment far too seriously.

[Kodiak.]

Ben in 2021 (under Canada), QB rating by quarter:
1st: 63.0
2nd: 85.7
3rd: 76.6
4th: 109.6

Kenny (2023):
1st: 49.7 (!)
2nd: 77.7
3rd: 91.6
4th: 108.2

So you're saying Kenny's washed and should retire?

Asking for a friend...

[jmacinwbp]

He made 1 fuckin throw in the 4th quarter. Is that a trend?

Nope, the trend is that he made the number of throws his team needed him to make for another come from behind 4th Q win. And the opposing Qb didn't. Nothing more, nothing less, why is that so difficult to see, and gets some people all riled up?

Because over the long haul, Pickett's shit play will mean many games are well out of reach by Q4. Every year there are teams that luck into close wins. They never go far and always underperform the next year.

Fair enough, but it assumes things stay static during the other 3 quarters, over the long haul, consistently shitty oline play, weak run game, poor execution in passing game. I tend to think it might not. This could turn out wrong, but until it does, I'm not going to get angry and complain about what the stats look like every time our second year Qb adds another 4th quarter come from behind win to his resume.

I keep seeing it posted that Pickett constantly curls fetal, bails way too quickly from the pocket, won't stand in the pocket and absorb hits to make throws. If you watch replays of the balt, rams, and Jags games, I don't know how you can't objectively say he's mostly stopped doing all of that (his play didn't stay at the the same weak level as what it was earlier in the season), and I'll need to watch the replays of last night's game, but I didn't see him doing it much while watching the broadcast.

A couple of weeks ago, I think it was after the Rams game, not sure, the criticism was that instead of checking down for short completions that might allow that speedster Heyward to run 8-9 more yards away from a closing Lb to get a first, Pickett was dumb for holding on to the ball to wait on the route that would have gotten the first down without YAC.

Yesterday he throws a lot of short completions in the fourth,
some were legit check downs, no; and it's now problematic because he's throwing too many of them, and those short completions are just padding his completion %. Man oh Man.

What is considered the long haul anyway, 17 games, 20 games, 34, 60?

[zeke5123]

Uh, Kenny has a ways to go to get to Game Manager status.

Don’t disagree. He’s been very unimpressive.

Made some plays sure. The 4th quarter comebacks are nice.

But is it too much to ask to have him put up something better than the extremely meager & pedestrian stats the other three quarters?

Ben in 2021 (under Canada), QB rating by quarter:
1st: 63.0
2nd: 85.7
3rd: 76.6
4th: 109.6

Kenny (2023):
1st: 49.7 (!)
2nd: 77.7
3rd: 91.6
4th: 108.2

So Ben with worse receiver, a worse line, and being washed still is better than Kenneth?

Remember, Ken was supposed to be NFL ready.

[zeke5123]

Nope, the trend is that he made the number of throws his team needed him to make for another come from behind 4th Q win. And the opposing Qb didn't. Nothing more, nothing less, why is that so difficult to see, and gets some people all riled up?

Because over the long haul, Pickett's shit play will mean many games are well out of reach by Q4. Every year there are teams that luck into close wins. They never go far and always underperform the next year.

Fair enough, but it assumes things stay static during the other 3 quarters, over the long haul, consistently shitty oline play, weak run game, poor execution in passing game. I tend to think it might not. This could turn out wrong, but until it does, I'm not going to get angry and worry about what the stats look like every time our second year Qb adds another 4th quarter come from behind win to his resume.

I keep seeing it posted that Pickett constantly curls fetal, bails way too quickly from the pocket, won't stand in the pocket and absorb hits to make throws. If you watch replays of the balt, rams, and Jags games, I don't know how you can't objectively say he's mostly stopped doing all of that (his play didn't stay at the the same weak level as what it was earlier in the season), and I'll need to watch the replays of last night's game, but I didn't see him doing it much while watching the broadcast.

A couple of weeks ago, I think it was after the Rams game, not sure, the criticism was that instead of checking down for short completions that might allow that speedster Heyward to run 8-9 more yards away from a closing Lb to get a first, Pickett was dumb for holding on to the ball to wait on the route that would have gotten the first down without YAC.

Yesterday he throws a lot of short completions in the fourth,
some were legit check downs, no; and it's now problematic because he's throwing too many of them, and those short completions are just padding his completion %. Man oh Man.

What is considered the long haul anyway, 17 games, 20 games, 34, 60?

I like larger samples compared to smaller samples. You are trying to focus on 1 quarter and assuming that is more true talent compared to 4!. That doesnt make much sense to me.

[jmacinwbp]

"I like larger samples compared to smaller samples".

Nothing wrong with that POV. It's the same reasoning behind why I personally think it's too early to label Pickett a bust, and say that he can't begin to play better in quarters 1-3. Especially if the the Oline begins to stabilize, and play better with Jones as a starter (fingers and toes crossed) from here out.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Ben in 2021 (under Canada), QB rating by quarter:
1st: 63.0
2nd: 85.7
3rd: 76.6
4th: 109.6

Kenny (2023):
1st: 49.7 (!)
2nd: 77.7
3rd: 91.6
4th: 108.2

Are you saying the common denominator ages like a fine wine?

[LakecrestSteeler]

Sideline throw to DJ was an A+ throw

Non-TD to Pickens was a A throw.

First down to DJ on first drive was a B throw (B only because that should be routine in the NFL if you are starting-caliber).

The rest of his completions were basic throws that to function in the NFL as a STARTER you have to be able to make in your sleep with a clean pocket.

He missed a lot because his processing and anticipation are slow. He’s not calm back there. He’s been under fire and getting his ass kicked that cannot be ignored. But how quickly his mind can snap out of that is a huge part of his development and whether he’s going to be worth holding onto.

Jobu asked “why do we give a shit about comparing him to Levis” (paraphrase)

The current NFL; no easier/quicker path to becoming a contender than hitting on a QB. Unless you have a perfect system (we don’t, and we won’t because of Tomlin and NHALS), you need a QB that can take over and win you games with his arm.

Kenny has yet to show he is that guy.

The throw to DJ on the sidelines was the exact same quality of throw in which Austin soiled the bed.

Please Furians have some consistency!

Bitch about not leading DJ enough on the 4th QTR sideline route too, and he only caught it because he kept his arms down until the last split second. And then you can bitch about the slight under throw to Austin as well.

Or they were both great throws and both should have been caught by an NFL WR!

I will bitch about the receivers 30%, KP 20% and Canada 50%!

I am going to chalk up a ribs injury game (By the way you can’t even sleep with rib injuries unless you are strung up like the donors in “Coma”!) to some accuracy issues. Shooter keeps shooting, passer keeps passing!

KP had 2 awful throws one to DJ, and one to GP.

Then KP had throws that if the receivers brought their B+ game, would have been made…Austin throw, Harris flats, DJ end zone, GP end zone.

Now if KP brings his A game, unlikely with a run injury, then all those passes still would have not been completions.


I actually loved the throw in the dirt in the end zone. It bizarrely reminded me of a junk pitch in baseball that you get the batter swinging on, but no chance of a dinger. Robinson had a chance, but was covered with a blanket, and KP still gave him a 40% chance with zero chance for INT in the end zone. Good situational throw?

You do realize Heyward was WIDE Open in front of KP8 on that play. Watch the play again. Heyward would have walked in untouched.

Prime Vision:

He definitely was open, but I don’t think he walks in…there were at least 2 Titans ready to meet for dinner with Heyward at the 1 yard line. I thought he probably could have gotten in originally, then I reviewed and it was not cut and dry.

Rewatched the DJ catch on the sidelines…definitely an easier catch than the Austin drop.

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[zeke5123]

The throw to DJ on the sidelines was the exact same quality of throw in which Austin soiled the bed.

Please Furians have some consistency!

Bitch about not leading DJ enough on the 4th QTR sideline route too, and he only caught it because he kept his arms down until the last split second. And then you can bitch about the slight under throw to Austin as well.

Or they were both great throws and both should have been caught by an NFL WR!

I will bitch about the receivers 30%, KP 20% and Canada 50%!

I am going to chalk up a ribs injury game (By the way you can’t even sleep with rib injuries unless you are strung up like the donors in “Coma”!) to some accuracy issues. Shooter keeps shooting, passer keeps passing!

KP had 2 awful throws one to DJ, and one to GP.

Then KP had throws that if the receivers brought their B+ game, would have been made…Austin throw, Harris flats, DJ end zone, GP end zone.

Now if KP brings his A game, unlikely with a run injury, then all those passes still would have not been completions.


I actually loved the throw in the dirt in the end zone. It bizarrely reminded me of a junk pitch in baseball that you get the batter swinging on, but no chance of a dinger. Robinson had a chance, but was covered with a blanket, and KP still gave him a 40% chance with zero chance for INT in the end zone. Good situational throw?

You do realize Heyward was WIDE Open in front of KP8 on that play. Watch the play again. Heyward would have walked in untouched.

Prime Vision:

He definitely was open, but I don’t think he walks in…there were at least 2 Titans ready to meet for dinner with Heyward at the 1 yard line. I thought he probably could have gotten in originally, then I reviewed and it was not cut and dry.

Rewatched the DJ catch on the sidelines…definitely an easier catch than the Austin drop.
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You still think the first one was a good throw? Slightly lead Robinson and that’s an easy TD. He had position an no safety to deal with.

Second one if it is a halfway decent ball Calvin makes a catch for a lot of yards and is tackled. If it is a good ball it’s an easy TD.

[franco32]

I agree the throw to Calvin was off, but wouldn't it be nice to be able to step into throws and not have the center of your line cave and get you hit?

[LakecrestSteeler]

You do realize Heyward was WIDE Open in front of KP8 on that play. Watch the play again. Heyward would have walked in untouched.

Prime Vision:

He definitely was open, but I don’t think he walks in…there were at least 2 Titans ready to meet for dinner with Heyward at the 1 yard line. I thought he probably could have gotten in originally, then I reviewed and it was not cut and dry.

Rewatched the DJ catch on the sidelines…definitely an easier catch than the Austin drop.
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You still think the first one was a good throw? Slightly lead Robinson and that’s an easy TD. He had position an no safety to deal with.

Second one if it is a halfway decent ball Calvin makes a catch for a lot of yards and is tackled. If it is a good ball it’s an easy TD.

I am not saying it was a good throw, I just like what it represented. It represented KP throwing a ball that couldn’t be picked in a big moment. It of course could go either way….That he becomes too uptight to make plays or he lives another week to put it all together and make the bigger play.

He is a pretty good closer as we have seen, hence my reference to the down and away curve ball that can’t really be hit. Nobody is going yard or to the house.

It is a bit of kudos for his concerted effort to reduce turnovers, especially during the weighty downs.

Remember the INT Ben threw against the Patriots after the James no catch? Completely different context and stage of career I get that, not throwing Ben under the bus. KP didn’t throw the pick in his similar pressure filled situation. Now, can KP throw the laser Holmes pass twice in a row in the biggest of games? Remains to be seen.

[jmacinwbp]

Prime Vision:

He definitely was open, but I don’t think he walks in…there were at least 2 Titans ready to meet for dinner with Heyward at the 1 yard line. I thought he probably could have gotten in originally, then I reviewed and it was not cut and dry.

Rewatched the DJ catch on the sidelines…definitely an easier catch than the Austin drop.
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You still think the first one was a good throw? Slightly lead Robinson and that’s an easy TD. He had position an no safety to deal with.

Second one if it is a halfway decent ball Calvin makes a catch for a lot of yards and is tackled. If it is a good ball it’s an easy TD.

I am not saying it was a good throw, I just like what it represented. It represented KP throwing a ball that couldn’t be picked in a big moment. It of course could go either way….That he becomes too uptight to make plays or he lives another week to put it all together and make the bigger play.

He is a pretty good closer as we have seen, hence my reference to the down and away curve ball that can’t really be hit. Nobody is going yard or to the house.

It is a bit of kudos for his concerted effort to reduce turnovers, especially during the weighty downs.

Remember the INT Ben threw against the Patriots after the James no catch? Completely different context and stage of career I get that, not throwing Ben under the bus. KP didn’t throw the pick in his similar pressure filled situation. Now, can KP throw the laser Holmes pass twice in a row in the biggest of games? Remains to be seen.

I get your overall point, and it's kind of why I think if you shot Tomlin up with truth syrum drugs, he'd say he's happier with Pickett than Ben in the last third of his career. He can get Pickett to follow "the Tomlin Script" of low risk Offense much easier than it was to get Ben to do it.

Going here, really? :

"Now, can KP throw the laser Holmes pass twice in a row in the biggest of games? Remains to be seen."

I guess I'm thought of as being a card carrying member of the KP8 ballwasher's club as much as anyone esle who is seeing enough positives in his play to give him more time before bailng on him, and this team, however, while factually true, it's lunacy too think we'll ever see anyone in our lifetimes throw two passes back2back in that type of moment ever again.

[stillthere]

Uh, Kenny has a ways to go to get to Game Manager status.

Don’t disagree. He’s been very unimpressive.

Made some plays sure. The 4th quarter comebacks are nice.

But is it too much to ask to have him put up something better than the extremely meager & pedestrian stats the other three quarters?

Ben in 2021 (under Canada), QB rating by quarter:
1st: 63.0
2nd: 85.7
3rd: 76.6
4th: 109.6

Kenny (2023):
1st: 49.7 (!)
2nd: 77.7
3rd: 91.6
4th: 108.2

Willing to bet most of those numbers were Ben doing no huddle get a FG/TD to end a half. As he was drawing up sail concepts in the huddle.

[stillthere]

I agree the throw to Calvin was off, but wouldn't it be nice to be able to step into throws and not have the center of your line cave and get you hit?

I know what you are saying but I have been informed that Will Levis has natural arm talent that KP8 will never have. So this is a moot point. If KP8 doesn't have Will Levis arm strength and Brock Purdy's AI brain and some other odd thing and someone didn't want him in their mock draft yadda yadda yadda.

How many QBs are 12-5 in their last 17? Gotta be a short list.

[stillthere]

Prime Vision:

He definitely was open, but I don’t think he walks in…there were at least 2 Titans ready to meet for dinner with Heyward at the 1 yard line. I thought he probably could have gotten in originally, then I reviewed and it was not cut and dry.

Rewatched the DJ catch on the sidelines…definitely an easier catch than the Austin drop.
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You still think the first one was a good throw? Slightly lead Robinson and that’s an easy TD. He had position an no safety to deal with.

Second one if it is a halfway decent ball Calvin makes a catch for a lot of yards and is tackled. If it is a good ball it’s an easy TD.

I am not saying it was a good throw, I just like what it represented. It represented KP throwing a ball that couldn’t be picked in a big moment. It of course could go either way….That he becomes too uptight to make plays or he lives another week to put it all together and make the bigger play.

He is a pretty good closer as we have seen, hence my reference to the down and away curve ball that can’t really be hit. Nobody is going yard or to the house.

It is a bit of kudos for his concerted effort to reduce turnovers, especially during the weighty downs.

Remember the INT Ben threw against the Patriots after the James no catch? Completely different context and stage of career I get that, not throwing Ben under the bus. KP didn’t throw the pick in his similar pressure filled situation. Now, can KP throw the laser Holmes pass twice in a row in the biggest of games? Remains to be seen.

I remember when St. Pierre was drafted a hundred years ago. All the talk was about ball placement and how he did not put the ball in harms way often due to his ball placement. (I still giggle like I am in middle school when I reference it because fuck growing up!)

[bradshaw2ben]

Agreed, if things didn't turn around at the end of the third and the fourth, I was going to post as much, and add even if the ribs were the problem, then that's on KP8 for saying he was good to go. But the trend of 4th quarter play displayed again, just can't be ignored.

He made 1 fuckin throw in the 4th quarter. Is that a trend?

Nope, the trend is that he made the number of throws his team needed him to make for another come from behind 4th Q win. And the opposing Qb didn't. Nothing more, nothing less, why is that so difficult to see, and gets some people all riled up?

The 2011 Denver - Pittsburgh playoffs say hi

Are you saying Tim Tebow can even touch prime Ben’s jockstrap? Because it sounds like you’re using the same justification. Kenny’s run game/run blocking and defense were top to factors to this win—BY FAR—and #3 were the two… TWO completed downfield throws KP made in the game. Second throw was especially nice.

That other garage with the half rolls to a 2-yard pass and wild incompletions? Virtually every QB in the NFL can and do make those plays. There’s minimal arm talent and minimal field reads required. He’s maybe 90% competing those whereas the average other QBs are more like 80%, but hardly enough to swing the game.

If you swapped QBs in this game, how would that have changed the score? How about if you swapped defenses?

[bradshaw2ben]

Prime Vision:

He definitely was open, but I don’t think he walks in…there were at least 2 Titans ready to meet for dinner with Heyward at the 1 yard line. I thought he probably could have gotten in originally, then I reviewed and it was not cut and dry.

Rewatched the DJ catch on the sidelines…definitely an easier catch than the Austin drop.
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You still think the first one was a good throw? Slightly lead Robinson and that’s an easy TD. He had position an no safety to deal with.

Second one if it is a halfway decent ball Calvin makes a catch for a lot of yards and is tackled. If it is a good ball it’s an easy TD.

I am not saying it was a good throw, I just like what it represented. It represented KP throwing a ball that couldn’t be picked in a big moment. It of course could go either way….That he becomes too uptight to make plays or he lives another week to put it all together and make the bigger play.

He is a pretty good closer as we have seen, hence my reference to the down and away curve ball that can’t really be hit. Nobody is going yard or to the house.

It is a bit of kudos for his concerted effort to reduce turnovers, especially during the weighty downs.

Remember the INT Ben threw against the Patriots after the James no catch? Completely different context and stage of career I get that, not throwing Ben under the bus. KP didn’t throw the pick in his similar pressure filled situation. Now, can KP throw the laser Holmes pass twice in a row in the biggest of games? Remains to be seen.

Ben also didn’t get the holding call KP got called. Ben’s throw wasn’t the problem… the WR getting the back of his jersey grabbed and pulled for the DB to slingshot past RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE OFFICIAL TASKED WITH WATCHING THAT MATCHUP… no call.

[bradshaw2ben]

Prime Vision:

He definitely was open, but I don’t think he walks in…there were at least 2 Titans ready to meet for dinner with Heyward at the 1 yard line. I thought he probably could have gotten in originally, then I reviewed and it was not cut and dry.

Rewatched the DJ catch on the sidelines…definitely an easier catch than the Austin drop.
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You still think the first one was a good throw? Slightly lead Robinson and that’s an easy TD. He had position an no safety to deal with.

Second one if it is a halfway decent ball Calvin makes a catch for a lot of yards and is tackled. If it is a good ball it’s an easy TD.

I am not saying it was a good throw, I just like what it represented. It represented KP throwing a ball that couldn’t be picked in a big moment. It of course could go either way….That he becomes too uptight to make plays or he lives another week to put it all together and make the bigger play.

He is a pretty good closer as we have seen, hence my reference to the down and away curve ball that can’t really be hit. Nobody is going yard or to the house.

It is a bit of kudos for his concerted effort to reduce turnovers, especially during the weighty downs.

Remember the INT Ben threw against the Patriots after the James no catch? Completely different context and stage of career I get that, not throwing Ben under the bus. KP didn’t throw the pick in his similar pressure filled situation. Now, can KP throw the laser Holmes pass twice in a row in the biggest of games? Remains to be seen.

Ben also didn’t get the holding call KP got called. Ben’s throw wasn’t the problem… the WR getting the back of his jersey grabbed and pulled for the DB to slingshot past RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE OFFICIAL TASKED WITH WATCHING THAT MATCHUP… no call.

You can shade Ben for many things that have merit. Don’t shade him for having the balls to step up in the tightest of situations and make that play, make the right read, & deliver a ball right on the money.

[LakecrestSteeler]

You still think the first one was a good throw? Slightly lead Robinson and that’s an easy TD. He had position an no safety to deal with.

Second one if it is a halfway decent ball Calvin makes a catch for a lot of yards and is tackled. If it is a good ball it’s an easy TD.

I am not saying it was a good throw, I just like what it represented. It represented KP throwing a ball that couldn’t be picked in a big moment. It of course could go either way….That he becomes too uptight to make plays or he lives another week to put it all together and make the bigger play.

He is a pretty good closer as we have seen, hence my reference to the down and away curve ball that can’t really be hit. Nobody is going yard or to the house.

It is a bit of kudos for his concerted effort to reduce turnovers, especially during the weighty downs.

Remember the INT Ben threw against the Patriots after the James no catch? Completely different context and stage of career I get that, not throwing Ben under the bus. KP didn’t throw the pick in his similar pressure filled situation. Now, can KP throw the laser Holmes pass twice in a row in the biggest of games? Remains to be seen.

Ben also didn’t get the holding call KP got called. Ben’s throw wasn’t the problem… the WR getting the back of his jersey grabbed and pulled for the DB to slingshot past RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE OFFICIAL TASKED WITH WATCHING THAT MATCHUP… no call.

And time pressure, still being furious most likely, and the monkey on the Steelers back with NE and Brady, clock it don’t clock it….it was still a catch! That was a double clutch “football move” invoking the break the plain of the goal line rules, not to mention the knee counts as two feet! Fuck you Al

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_jcM2E72ZzI

[bradshaw2ben]

Ugh @LakecrestSteeler trigger warning please

[LakecrestSteeler]

Ugh @LakecrestSteeler trigger warning please

No doubt…has me fired up again!

I actually hadn’t seen that video…added some color to the ordeal of which I wasn't aware. Mainly the Steelers sideline conversations!

You could litigate that to the Steeler victory or you could litigate it to the NE victory. If it is a tie it just goes to the home team….Al litigated it to his favorite team!

[jebrick]

Kenny is not a "gunslinger" until the 4th quarter. I think that is part of his makeup. He will be check down charlie given a choice as he does not trust his arm to make that phone booth throw.

[zeke5123]

I agree the throw to Calvin was off, but wouldn't it be nice to be able to step into throws and not have the center of your line cave and get you hit?

I know what you are saying but I have been informed that Will Levis has natural arm talent that KP8 will never have. So this is a moot point. If KP8 doesn't have Will Levis arm strength and Brock Purdy's AI brain and some other odd thing and someone didn't want him in their mock draft yadda yadda yadda.

How many QBs are 12-5 in their last 17? Gotta be a short list.

What a dumb talking point.

First, look at the record of those teams Pickett got 12 wins against. It isn’t great.

Second, Trent Dilfer once won a QB. He must be an amazing QB. After all, look at his record that season. I’m sure it was around 12-5.

Third, sometimes teams luck into wins and that luck runs for more than a few games. Look at the stat that the Steelers are the first team to be outgained in every game through 8 weeks and have a winning record in NFL history. Do we really think the Steelers are that much of a outlier that they’ve unlocked a code no one in NFL history has to win these close games where they are outgained consistently or do we think they’ve just got an immense run of luck?

Does record matter for QBs? To me, I only look at records once a QB has established himself as a top tier QB. If a QB has stats placing them in the bottom 10 I don’t even consider record because the QB isn’t really doing much to get that record.

[zeke5123]

Prime Vision:

He definitely was open, but I don’t think he walks in…there were at least 2 Titans ready to meet for dinner with Heyward at the 1 yard line. I thought he probably could have gotten in originally, then I reviewed and it was not cut and dry.

Rewatched the DJ catch on the sidelines…definitely an easier catch than the Austin drop.
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You still think the first one was a good throw? Slightly lead Robinson and that’s an easy TD. He had position an no safety to deal with.

Second one if it is a halfway decent ball Calvin makes a catch for a lot of yards and is tackled. If it is a good ball it’s an easy TD.

I am not saying it was a good throw, I just like what it represented. It represented KP throwing a ball that couldn’t be picked in a big moment. It of course could go either way….That he becomes too uptight to make plays or he lives another week to put it all together and make the bigger play.

He is a pretty good closer as we have seen, hence my reference to the down and away curve ball that can’t really be hit. Nobody is going yard or to the house.

It is a bit of kudos for his concerted effort to reduce turnovers, especially during the weighty downs.

Remember the INT Ben threw against the Patriots after the James no catch? Completely different context and stage of career I get that, not throwing Ben under the bus. KP didn’t throw the pick in his similar pressure filled situation. Now, can KP throw the laser Holmes pass twice in a row in the biggest of games? Remains to be seen.

There is risk aversion and then there is stupidity. Throwing that in front of Robinson wasn’t risking any interception. It’s a bad decision. Trying to spin that into a positive doesn’t make sense.

Also with how frequently Pickett misses targets he is lucky it hasn’t ended up in the hands of a defender. If he keeps missing 4-6 throws a game he will eventually start piling up the picks (or if defenders catch the ones that hit them in the #s).

Finally you may be right that Tomlin prefers this mind to QB. But that just goes to show how idiotic Tomlin is.

[jebrick]

QB School is pretty brutal on the Steeler offense and Pickett.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwj5E1o8AE8

And QB School on Levis for comparison



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJYin4831QM

[K_C_]

QB School is pretty brutal on the Steeler offense and Pickett.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwj5E1o8AE8

And QB School on Levis for comparison



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJYin4831QM

Will definitely watch later but Levis was brutally awful in the second half. Pickett wasn’t.

The guy has the clutch gene. Love watching these late come from behind wins upset some “fans.”

[Texas Black & Gold]

From the most realistic scenarios out there,

I would much rather watch come from behind wins than...

Lose leads late and lose the game...
or
Lose to an on paper inferior team....
or
Get blown out by another team....
or
Lose to the refs....
or
End up in a tie.

Winning is better than losing. And yes, it's ok to win.

[jebrick]

First half Kenny has really bad footwork. Second half Kenny is much more decisive. He plans his foot and throws. You will see that in the Titan film. KP does not have the arm strength to have bad mechanics ( unlike Levis).

JT rips on the Steeler offense design but also give credit when they have a good play design and KP totally misses the throw.

Levis was also a tale of 2 halves. JT points out where he is trying to force the ball to Hopkins too much and not reading the field or the defense. He makes more poor decisions when asked to make the throws with the game on the line. Just like back in college. It is his 2nd start and on a short week but you can see why Titans fans can have hope.

All in all, KP's footwork is more easily fixed than Levis' decisions but you will want a gunslinger at times and KP is not that.

[K_C_]

I agree the throw to Calvin was off, but wouldn't it be nice to be able to step into throws and not have the center of your line cave and get you hit?

I know what you are saying but I have been informed that Will Levis has natural arm talent that KP8 will never have. So this is a moot point. If KP8 doesn't have Will Levis arm strength and Brock Purdy's AI brain and some other odd thing and someone didn't want him in their mock draft yadda yadda yadda.

How many QBs are 12-5 in their last 17? Gotta be a short list.

What a dumb talking point.

First, look at the record of those teams Pickett got 12 wins against. It isn’t great.

Second, Trent Dilfer once won a QB. He must be an amazing QB. After all, look at his record that season. I’m sure it was around 12-5.

Third, sometimes teams luck into wins and that luck runs for more than a few games. Look at the stat that the Steelers are the first team to be outgained in every game through 8 weeks and have a winning record in NFL history. Do we really think the Steelers are that much of a outlier that they’ve unlocked a code no one in NFL history has to win these close games where they are outgained consistently or do we think they’ve just got an immense run of luck?

Does record matter for QBs? To me, I only look at records once a QB has established himself as a top tier QB. If a QB has stats placing them in the bottom 10 I don’t even consider record because the QB isn’t really doing much to get that record.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Pickett only has 7 game winning come from behind final drive TD’s but he “really isn’t doing much to get that record.”

Hilarious horseshit.

[jmacinwbp]

He made 1 fuckin throw in the 4th quarter. Is that a trend?

Nope, the trend is that he made the number of throws his team needed him to make for another come from behind 4th Q win. And the opposing Qb didn't. Nothing more, nothing less, why is that so difficult to see, and gets some people all riled up?

The 2011 Denver - Pittsburgh playoffs say hi

Are you saying Tim Tebow can even touch prime Ben’s jockstrap? Because it sounds like you’re using the same justification. Kenny’s run game/run blocking and defense were top to factors to this win—BY FAR—and #3 were the two… TWO completed downfield throws KP made in the game. Second throw was especially nice.

That other garage with the half rolls to a 2-yard pass and wild incompletions? Virtually every QB in the NFL can and do make those plays. There’s minimal arm talent and minimal field reads required. He’s maybe 90% competing those whereas the average other QBs are more like 80%, but hardly enough to swing the game.

If you swapped QBs in this game, how would that have changed the score? How about if you swapped defenses?

- I didn't say that. You asked what I meant by you can't ignore the 4th quarter trend by our QB, I thought my answer was pretty simple. The trend has been that when games are close, and Pittsburgh doesn't have the lead in the 4th quarter, our Qb has thrown enough good passes for his team to win, and the opposing QBs haven't. Guess you missed the nothing more part of my response.

And yes, KP8 got decent blocking, and output from the run game to help in the 4th, but that's kindof the crux of the matter for myself, and possibly others who haven't given up on him yet. How many full games, instead of a snippet here, or another one there, have you seen Pickett play like total ass, when he's not getting consistently hit, or when the running game has output like it did Thursday night?

I'd say the Tennessee game was an outlier from a tough as shit kid who clearly had some type of recent rib and knee injuries, and if you add the condition of having his team lose with an ass performance, when getting "above the line" play from the blocking and runners, say that number is zero.

It's phunny how some of the anti KP8 crew can't wait to name drop a fullback/TE who masqueraded as a QB in the league over 10 years ago, as a direct comparison to what this Steelers team, and their Qb are doing, and then throw a BB7 kicker into the conversation as a contrast to support their position.

I'll admit I'm hoping the Tebow comp is off, it's not blind hope mind you, KP8 has shown me enough in his starts, that I don't see a fullback/TE trying to play Qb, but a young QB navigating through an Oline that has mostly been one of the worst in the league in both run & pass blocking, usually playing with one legit pass catching threat on the field (looks like it may go back to that with the GP tantrum), and for better, or worse, game plans that aren't built to take many risks. Yep, more than enough to say it's not blind hope, and to thoroughly enjoy all of the wins that have built the 4th quarter trend I was referring to.

I'm fascinated as to what the underlying reasons are for consistently using Tebow as a comp to your team's QB, a team still competitive, instead of focusing on something else about the games, and just enjoying the wins. Also, how many of the Anti KP8 crowd, will admit if they want their comp to play out, for you name the reason:

So team can bottom out to draft a real chiseQb (how often does this really produce a SB winning team, don't think it's much)

Hate Tomlin, and want Pickett to be Tebow, so he can get shitcanned, like McDaniels did because of Tebow (get off the weed man, never going to happen)

Wanted to take either the elite class arm & legs "high ceiling/low floor" third string QB on the team we just faced in the year KP8 was drafted, or maybe the "elite armed" and historically YOLO dumb turnover guy they started (there was a reason why he was still sitting in the green room when the first round closed out for the night) instead of a future lock down Cb in this year's 2nd round

Don't think anyone can win SBs with a "little hands" QB, so if he is Tebow, all the better to upgrade more quickly into another guy with some much nicer, bigger hands.


- Not sure how there is any concrete way to answer the hypothetical swap QBs and Ds, questions, way too many variables, but I'll reduce the Qb swap window to just the 4th quarter, to reflect the trend I referred to in the original post, and play along.

Based on the 4th quarter trend I've been seeing in the Qb that played for the team in black on Thursday, if you swapped him with the other guy sometime towards the end of the third quarter of that game, then I think the score would have ended 16-13 Titans, or maybe 20-16 titans

Swap the 30th ranked defense in giving up total yards with the 20th ranked one in total yards, I don't know, maybe Pickett gets about 15-20 more pass yards, Naj and Warren gain about 25-30 more yards, and Levis and Henry's numbers go down by about the same margins.