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Post by Stosh-67 » Wed May 31, 2023 5:52 pm

https://steelersnow.com/jaylen-warren-p ... otas-2023/

Excited to see JW build on his nice finish to 2022
When Jaylen Warren showed up at OTAs, it was clear that he was absolutely jacked. The second-year running back has made a change to his physique after his first season, but it doesn’t appear that it was all that intentional on his part.
Warren feels stronger, faster and more explosive than he did a year ago. When he puts his foot on the ground, he feels like he has a bit more juice out there. Sometimes, he even surprises himself with how many gears he has in his arsenal.

“Sometimes, I honestly surprise myself,” Warren said. “I feel stronger, faster, and a little bit more explosive. There’s definitely a change from last year.”


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Post by Stosh-67 » Wed May 31, 2023 5:56 pm

Steelers kicking around ways to get RB Jaylen Warren on field with Najee Harris

https://theathletic.com/4557904/2023/05 ... ee-harris/
“They have said they are planning to find ways to get us both on the field at the same time and just do different things with me,” Warren said. “Najee is still the starter and whenever he needs a break is when I will go in, but we might mix things up some. I just want to help the team any way I can. Whatever that takes I’m willing to do.”
I am all for as many different looks and formations for defenses to worry about and future opponents needing to game plan for.
The PS offense has been so simple and easy to plan and prepare for.

Pickens, DJ, Robinson, Austin, Mooth, Washington, Najeh, Warren, Gentry, Heyward.......lots of different options and formations
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Post by Stosh-67 » Wed May 31, 2023 5:58 pm

JAYLEN WARREN LOOKS LIKE A MONSTER AT STEELERS OTA'S!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlmRax0rvTc

short video on Warren and Najeh in drills.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed May 31, 2023 6:02 pm

NONE of this matters if the Steelers don’t add a solid 3rd RB

2 RBs just isn’t even close to enough
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Post by Stosh-67 » Wed May 31, 2023 6:03 pm

Possible 3rd RB?

FBGP's Scout Team Interview RB Alfonzo Graham


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzp1P34hn0c

Moats on Graham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJaReXtUliE
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Post by Jobu » Wed May 31, 2023 6:05 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 5:56 pm
Steelers kicking around ways to get RB Jaylen Warren on field with Najee Harris

https://theathletic.com/4557904/2023/05 ... ee-harris/
“They have said they are planning to find ways to get us both on the field at the same time and just do different things with me,” Warren said. “Najee is still the starter and whenever he needs a break is when I will go in, but we might mix things up some. I just want to help the team any way I can. Whatever that takes I’m willing to do.”
I am all for as many different looks and formations for defenses to worry about and future opponents needing to game plan for.
The PS offense has been so simple and easy to plan and prepare for.

Pickens, DJ, Robinson, Austin, Mooth, Washington, Najeh, Warren, Gentry.......lots of different options and formations
Seems like we read this type of article every off-season.
Spoiler…(other than short yardage) it ain’t happening.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Wed May 31, 2023 6:05 pm

McFarland going into his 4th year has shown nothing to warrant another year at #3.
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Post by Mick » Wed May 31, 2023 6:09 pm

Tons of great RB options end up job hunting after cutdowns each year. No reason to try to fill the slot with a scrub right now.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed May 31, 2023 6:12 pm

Mick wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 6:09 pm
Tons of great RB options end up job hunting after cutdowns each year. No reason to try to fill the slot with a scrub right now.
Fair point

But usually the Steelers haven’t done what they need to at RB…..like almost the entire time since Arians left
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Post by Kodiak. » Wed May 31, 2023 6:41 pm

Outside of Pickett and Pickens, JW is probably the guy I'm most excited to see what he does. I'm not convinced he isn't already the best RB on the team.

I like Little Heyward, too. I think he's just a football player, and one that they need to get on the field more.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Wed May 31, 2023 6:57 pm

Kodiak. wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 6:41 pm
Outside of Pickett and Pickens, JW is probably the guy I'm most excited to see what he does. I'm not convinced he isn't already the best RB on the team.

I like Little Heyward, too. I think he's just a football player, and one that they need to get on the field more.
Yup.
Small sample last year,
But seems like he could be that sneaky type....one play a game, on a big 3rd down play.....type of secret weapon.

At 6'-0" and 230....and 4.72 40...........he is certainly TE #4...
May be more football quick than his 40 indicates.

Hence he needs to be a jack of all trades. ST's H-back, Full back,
And we know football is in his blood with Ironhead, Cam.

2022 12 catches-151 yards 12.6 avg 1 TD, 2 carries - 27 yards.

Actually played a bit more than I thought.
Played in all 17 games. 174 snaps on offense - 10 per game.
282 STs snaps.

With D Washington on board now, he may not see as many snaps at TE.
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Post by COR-TEN » Wed May 31, 2023 7:01 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 6:57 pm
Hence he needs to be a jack of all trades.
Jack of all trades, master of none. . .

???
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Post by 955876 » Wed May 31, 2023 8:00 pm

I'm not convinced he isn't already the best RB on the team.
Guys like Jaylen Warren are why you don’t burn a 1st round pick to draft guys like Najee Harris.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Wed May 31, 2023 8:17 pm

COR-TEN wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 7:01 pm
Stosh-67 wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 6:57 pm
Hence he needs to be a jack of all trades.
Jack of all trades, master of none. . .

???
Yes.
How many can be called a master of all.
It is not possible to have a master of all at 22 positions.
Let alone 3 or 4 on each side of the ball.

But to have a switch blade type guy at the bottom third of the roster.
Thats what that third needs to be.

as a #4 TE, a #4 RB.
A ST player.....
he has to be a jack of all trades.

Thats why its tuff to have a 5th or 6th WR on the roster that can not play ST's or be that return guy.
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Post by Deebo » Wed May 31, 2023 8:18 pm

I'm still on record that I think Warren is a better back than Harris.

And I think Benny Snell played his best football last season after being absolutely trash his first couple years.

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Post by K_C_ » Wed May 31, 2023 9:29 pm

Deebo wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 8:18 pm
I'm still on record that I think Warren is a better back than Harris.

And I think Benny Snell played his best football last season after being absolutely trash his first couple years.
I bring back Snell too. He played damn good football in the limited time he had on the field.

As for Warren, I don't doubt he could surpass Najee as the better back at some point in the future, but Harris is better than he's being given credit for and showed that once he got completely healthy.

It sure will be nice having 2 starting caliber RB's and again, I'd re-sign Snell. He has shown that he can go out there and put up numbers when asked to.
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Post by shellwagnerblount » Wed May 31, 2023 9:46 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 5:52 pm
https://steelersnow.com/jaylen-warren-p ... otas-2023/

Excited to see JW build on his nice finish to 2022
When Jaylen Warren showed up at OTAs, it was clear that he was absolutely jacked. The second-year running back has made a change to his physique after his first season, but it doesn’t appear that it was all that intentional on his part.
Warren feels stronger, faster and more explosive than he did a year ago. When he puts his foot on the ground, he feels like he has a bit more juice out there. Sometimes, he even surprises himself with how many gears he has in his arsenal.

“Sometimes, I honestly surprise myself,” Warren said. “I feel stronger, faster, and a little bit more explosive. There’s definitely a change from last year.”
One of my favourite new players and stories on the Steelers...I hope he works himself into the No. 1 back position. Najee is a decent back but JW has the stuff you look for...He's a potential beast at RB. I do NOT hate Najee but just feel JW has the burst that Najee seems to lack for the most part. A nice one/two punch overall though.

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Post by Ice » Wed May 31, 2023 10:58 pm

"The Steelers Austin Ekeler" from the YouTube above (I know...) certainly has a nice ring to it.
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Post by steelmann58 » Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:02 am

Still need that 3rd down speed guy

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Post by steelmann58 » Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:02 am

Still need that 3rd down speed guy

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Post by Scunge » Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:06 am

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 6:02 pm
NONE of this matters if the Steelers don’t add a solid 3rd RB

2 RBs just isn’t even close to enough
You keep beating this dead horse, but the Steelers #3 RB has averaged 65 snaps on offense the past 3 seasons.

Najee Harris, Jaylin Warren and Connor Heyward are your 3 RBs. Heyward will be the Fullback/H-back/3rd down back. The 4th RB that they have on the roster will hardly play on offense, but be expected to play heavily on special teams. At one time I would have said that 4th RB could play as the kick returner but now with the fair catch rules, that is a non factor now.

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Post by 955876 » Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:15 am

I'm still on record that I think Warren is a better back than Harris.
I think it’s pretty much a certainly at this point.

In fact, as Najee gets older and slower while Jibbs will want to elevate this young man with a big contract 2 I think Najee would make a good RB/FB moving forward.

Can block. Can catch out of the backfield. Can run but isn’t an explosive premier RB.

He can carve out a nice roll for himself in his later years. Saying this not factoring money.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:43 am

Scunge wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:06 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 6:02 pm
NONE of this matters if the Steelers don’t add a solid 3rd RB

2 RBs just isn’t even close to enough
You keep beating this dead horse, but the Steelers #3 RB has averaged 65 snaps on offense the past 3 seasons.

Najee Harris, Jaylin Warren and Connor Heyward are your 3 RBs. Heyward will be the Fullback/H-back/3rd down back. The 4th RB that they have on the roster will hardly play on offense, but be expected to play heavily on special teams. At one time I would have said that 4th RB could play as the kick returner but now with the fair catch rules, that is a non factor now.
Exactly how how many playoff games has this team won during that time ??

The SINGLE BIGGEST on the Steelers roster for years now has been a totally inadequate RB unit for what the Steelers attempt to do

It’s a lot more than just snap counts going on
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Post by tbsteel » Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:58 am

Najee Harris carries himself like he's Gale Sayers. You'd think from the way he acts and is treated that he was some All Pro. His cockiness is so unwarranted. On most teams he'd be on the bench and if there was a true competition Jaylen Warren would be the #1 back on this team.

But hey, the goal of this offense is to get to 3rd and 3. And Najee is great at that.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:19 am

tbsteel wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:58 am
Najee Harris carries himself like he's Gale Sayers. You'd think from the way he acts and is treated that he was some All Pro. His cockiness is so unwarranted. On most teams he'd be on the bench and if there was a true competition Jaylen Warren would be the #1 back on this team.

But hey, the goal of this offense is to get to 3rd and 3. And Najee is great at that.
I never got that impression

Imo Najee is a great teammate and a situationally aware football player

When he picked up Kenny and carried him and the ball through the right hole for a 1st I was impressed
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Post by Ice » Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:23 am

Scunge wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:06 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 6:02 pm
NONE of this matters if the Steelers don’t add a solid 3rd RB

2 RBs just isn’t even close to enough
You keep beating this dead horse, but the Steelers #3 RB has averaged 65 snaps on offense the past 3 seasons.

Najee Harris, Jaylin Warren and Connor Heyward are your 3 RBs. Heyward will be the Fullback/H-back/3rd down back. The 4th RB that they have on the roster will hardly play on offense, but be expected to play heavily on special teams. At one time I would have said that 4th RB could play as the kick returner but now with the fair catch rules, that is a non factor now.
Pretty sure what he's trying to say is that the Steelers 3rd RB should be averaging more than 65 carries a season if they're going to run a power run offense, and it's probably correct. Just my take, though.
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Post by Steelafan77 » Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:07 am

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 6:02 pm
NONE of this matters if the Steelers don’t add a solid 3rd RB

2 RBs just isn’t even close to enough
Been reading Alfonzo Graham could be that 3rd RB, signed a 3 year deal. Receiving experience and kick return experience as well.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:16 am

Steelafan77 wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:07 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed May 31, 2023 6:02 pm
NONE of this matters if the Steelers don’t add a solid 3rd RB

2 RBs just isn’t even close to enough
Been reading Alfonzo Graham could be that 3rd RB, signed a 3 year deal. Receiving experience and kick return experience as well.
I kinda doubt it. He’s 5’8 185
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Post by Ice » Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:26 pm

We do historically embrace the idea of a tiny 3rd down back. One of our sillier little organizational ideologies.
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Post by Mick » Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:46 pm

Ice wrote:
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We do historically embrace the idea of a tiny 3rd down back. One of our sillier little organizational ideologies.
not sure when in steelers history you are referring to, but that hasn’t been a thing i recall in the last 20 years at least.

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