Tomlin Extended

[Ice]

Tomlin is a shithead boob but we are stuck with him. I’m thrilled this was a 1 year extension. The way the Steelers do things, this is as much of a “shot across the bow” as you will see from this organization.

Win or be gone.

I have to agree about the length of term. I get that half the board at least isn't going to like the coach no matter who it is, but it's a lot of hand wringing and tearing out of hair over a one year extension. Letting the guy go into the season as a lame duck simply wasn't going to happen. Not the Steelers way, or really a very classy move no matter who you are.

[Jobu]

Tomlin is a shithead boob but we are stuck with him. I’m thrilled this was a 1 year extension. The way the Steelers do things, this is as much of a “shot across the bow” as you will see from this organization.

Win or be gone.

I have to agree about the length of term. I get that half the board at least isn't going to like the coach no matter who it is, but it's a lot of hand wringing and tearing out of hair over a one year extension. Letting the guy go into the season as a lame duck simply wasn't going to happen. Not the Steelers way, or really a very classy move no matter who you are.

Again...He would not have been a “lame duck”. He had two years remaining on the current (old) deal. He is now under contract til the 2021 season, plus an option for 2022. Love him or hate him, the idea that this was A2 sending a message is a bit of a stretch.

[stillthere]

Tomlin is a shithead boob but we are stuck with him. I’m thrilled this was a 1 year extension. The way the Steelers do things, this is as much of a “shot across the bow” as you will see from this organization.

Win or be gone.

I have to agree about the length of term. I get that half the board at least isn't going to like the coach no matter who it is, but it's a lot of hand wringing and tearing out of hair over a one year extension. Letting the guy go into the season as a lame duck simply wasn't going to happen. Not the Steelers way, or really a very classy move no matter who you are.

He would not have been a lame duck he was already signed through the 2020 season (as Colbert is). The new contract moves it to 3 years instead of 2 years left.

[Donnie Brasco]

Can anybody name a game Tomlin won where he had the worse roster?

Against the Patriots last season.

1 game is what you can come up with after 12 seasons?
Yikes

[Donnie Brasco]

I can’t and have never liked Tomlin. He’s a fake and a phony who is and has always been over his head! Yet, he is also a complete narcissist who thinks he does not wrong. I don’t remember him ever putting all of the blame for loss on his shoulders. He’s a complete dickhead and I wish he was fucking gone - years ago! Fucking extension of any time period is Art’s way of continuing to fuck this team up!

I thought Tomlin was a good coach when he was first brought on. A new voice and approach was needed after Cowher, definitely had his hands on the 2008 SB win

But I started to sour on him after the SB performance in 2010. Ever since Tomlin achieved greatness with the SB he stopped being hungry

[Suwanee88]

Can anybody name a game Tomlin won where he had the worse roster?

Against the Patriots last season.

Other than Stephon Gilmore and Tom Brady, who would start for the Steelers?

J Edelman
- I may take 1 or both of the McCourtys too

[Kodiak]

QB is more important than HC. I look at Tomlin, McCarthy and Peyton and I see coaches with marginally more postseason success than others without HOF QB's.

And I think it should be more than marginal. But I think a lot of other coaches in their place have at least similar success. If you replaced Tomlin, you might not get better but you probably get equal, and hungrier and more focused.

[stillthere]

https://theathletic.com/1103330/2019/07/29/bouchette-steelers-control-mike-tomlins-contract-option-might-kevin-colbert-go-to-carolina-panthers/

Bouchette: Steelers control Mike Tomlin’s contract option; Might Kevin Colbert go to Carolina Panthers?

LATROBE, Pa. — As the Steelers head into the meat of training camp, we’ve learned a few things off the field. Such as:

• The option year on Mike Tomlin’s contract? The Athletic has learned it is at the option of the team, not the coach. That means he is under contract through the 2022 season, not just 2021. The only thing that option means is that if the Steelers want to change coaches by then, it won’t be obligated to pay Tomlin in 2022. Some Steelers minority owners did not want team president Art Rooney II to extend Tomlin at all.

Bill Cowher had a hard year left on his contract for 2007 when he resigned after the 2006 season but the Steelers did not pay him because they did not fire him, he quit. But that 2006 season fell flat as the defending Super Bowl champs went 8-8 and many got a sense that it would be Cowher’s last as coach.

• Negotiations really began Sunday to extend the contract of Joe Haden when his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, arrived...

this is all I could get off the page as the article is not free.

[Ice]

I really don't think the extra year justifies the "he's coach for life," "he's got more job security than the Pope," teeth-gnashing, either. The extra year you all pointed out is, after all, a team option, which won't matter if he doesn't perform, as the team can lose him without having to buy anything out. Like I said, no matter how you feel about the guy, this probably shouldn't raise your blood pressure much either way.

[Ice]

I like J Sam as much as the next guy, and he undeniably had a great, crucial showing, but going into that game, with Conner not available, RB was on the Patriots side.

Gronkowski wasn't a major factor, but you'd have to add him going into the game.

Kicker and punter, along with overall special teams were on the Pats side.

So, the Patriots were working with an advantage at QB, ST, RB TE, Secondary and LB going into the game, as most NFL fans would have seen it.

Yeah, the Steelers pulled an upset.

[Baltostiller]

... does anyone on this board think he would get the same kind of job security elsewhere that he has had with the Steelers? Only four coaches have been with their team more than 10 years, Billy B at 19, Tomlin & Payton at 12 and Harbaugh at 11 (amazingly the Cowboys have also kept Garrett for 9 years despite wasting great opportunities over and over again).

I do. And your list of coaches supports me. The four coaches you name plus Mike McCarthy, who coached GB 2006-20018, have the following records since 2007, in ascending order:

Harbaugh, 104-72, +32, SB 1-0
Payton, 118-74, +44, SB 1-0
McCarthy, 117-69-2, +48, SB 1-0
Tomlin, 125-66-1, +59, SB 1-1
Belichick, 150-42, +108, SB 3-3 (since 2007)

In seasonal notation, their records are approximately:
Harbaugh 9-6-1 (where have I seen that before?)
Payton 10-6
McCarthy 10-6
Tomlin 10-5-1
Belichick 12-3-1

Those are the only coaches with anywhere near Tomlin's record since 2007, and they all coached over 10 years and except for Mike McCarthy, who coached GB for 13 years, are all still with their teams.

Why is it so crazy that Tomlin would have the same longevity?

Because your argument is shallow.

Plenty of coaches have been let go in sports with winning records because ownership came to the conclusion that they were not the right guy to get their current roster to a championship.

Tomlin post SB XLV loss reminds me of Marty Shottenheimer. I wish AR2 would do the same thing that the Browns, Chiefs and Chargers did. Shitcan him despite a winning record.
Since "easing into" the SB, despite having a HOF QB, Tomlin's teams have won 3 playoff games.
They "beat" the Bengals, beat a shitty Dolphins team and beat the master playoff choker Andy Reid in KC.

Losses to Tim Tebow, the Ravens at home and the awful showing against the Jags 2 years ago.
Combine that with the shitshow that was last season and there is no fucking way I would extend him.
But we do what we do...obviously.

[Pabst]

Tomlin post SB XLV loss reminds me of Marty Shottenheimer. I wish AR2 would do the same thing that the Browns, Chiefs and Chargers did. Shitcan him despite a winning record.

Looking at what each franchise did after firing Schottenheimer, I'm not sure this is a very strong argument.

[Ice]

Don't forget to toss the Redskins into that chumbucket, Pabst.

[Drummer Boy]

Tomlin post SB XLV loss reminds me of Marty Shottenheimer. I wish AR2 would do the same thing that the Browns, Chiefs and Chargers did. Shitcan him despite a winning record.
Since "easing into" the SB, despite having a HOF QB, Tomlin's teams have won 3 playoff games.
They "beat" the Bengals, beat a shitty Dolphins team and beat the master playoff choker Andy Reid in KC.

Losses to Tim Tebow, the Ravens at home and the awful showing against the Jags 2 years ago.
Combine that with the shitshow that was last season and there is no fucking way I would extend him.
But we do what we do...obviously.

Great example. Look at all the rings those teams have now!

[Baltostiller]

Tomlin post SB XLV loss reminds me of Marty Shottenheimer. I wish AR2 would do the same thing that the Browns, Chiefs and Chargers did. Shitcan him despite a winning record.

Looking at what each franchise did after firing Schottenheimer, I'm not sure this is a very strong argument.

I get it but my point was that they realized that, despite a winning record, he wasn't getting it done in the playoffs.

That's Tomlin for you...

[Donnie Brasco]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ke-tomlin/

[Jobu]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/29/report-some-steelers-minority-owners-didnt-want-to-extend-mike-tomlin/

That article says it all. The minority owners know Tomlin’s a bum. The fans mostly know Tomlin’s a bum. A2 loves Tomlin...”three head coaches in 50 years!”

[Pabst]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/29/report-some-steelers-minority-owners-didnt-want-to-extend-mike-tomlin/

That article says it all. The minority owners know Tomlin’s a bum. The fans mostly know Tomlin’s a bum. A2 loves Tomlin...”three head coaches in 50 years!”

Actually, the article doesn't say much of anything. There are 17 people with an ownership stake in the team - were there 2 people voicing opposition or 15? How contentious were the discussions? Are they still upset after the resigning?

The article doesn't say. It's just vague reporting meant to generate clicks.

[Pabst]

Tomlin post SB XLV loss reminds me of Marty Shottenheimer. I wish AR2 would do the same thing that the Browns, Chiefs and Chargers did. Shitcan him despite a winning record.

Looking at what each franchise did after firing Schottenheimer, I'm not sure this is a very strong argument.

I get it but my point was that they realized that, despite a winning record, he wasn't getting it done in the playoffs.

That's Tomlin for you...

I understand. My point was that a coaching change doesn't necessarily equal success. Grass isn't always greener and whatnot.


I also don't get how people can argue that Art 2 is an incompetent owner while simultaneously saying he'll make a game changing coaching hire.

[Jobu]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/29/report-some-steelers-minority-owners-didnt-want-to-extend-mike-tomlin/

That article says it all. The minority owners know Tomlin’s a bum. The fans mostly know Tomlin’s a bum. A2 loves Tomlin...”three head coaches in 50 years!”

Actually, the article doesn't say much of anything. There are 17 people with an ownership stake in the team - were there 2 people voicing opposition or 15? How contentious were the discussions? Are they still upset after the resigning?

The article doesn't say. It's just vague reporting meant to generate clicks.

Second time in a little over a year minority owners requested Tomlin be fired. I’d say that suggests they’re still upset. A2 calls the shots and extends him instead. My two cents.
You can Interpret that however you like.

Just for the record...I’m no fan of Eddie “you won’t see Todd Haley here” Bouchette.

[Pabst]

Second time in a little over a year minority owners requested Tomlin be fired. I’d say that suggests they’re still upset. A2 calls the shots and extends him instead. My two cents.
You can Interpret that however you like.

Just for the record...I’m no fan of Eddie “you won’t see Todd Haley here” Bouchette.

How many/which ones? Without specifics, it's nothing more than unsubstantiated rumor being passed off as a news story. My issue here is with shabby reporting, not anything related to Steelers management.

[Jobu]

Second time in a little over a year minority owners requested Tomlin be fired. I’d say that suggests they’re still upset. A2 calls the shots and extends him instead. My two cents.
You can Interpret that however you like.

Just for the record...I’m no fan of Eddie “you won’t see Todd Haley here” Bouchette.

How many/which ones? Without specifics, it's nothing more than unsubstantiated rumor being passed off as a news story. My issue here is with shabby reporting, not anything related to Steelers management.

Fair enough.

[JPPT1974]

At least he does not have to worry about Bell and Brown. And really in a sense Tomlin needed to get rid of the baggage and cancer there. To start anew.

[Gonzo]

Great records noted above ... You should be happy and you will get more of the same this year and in the foreseeable future. 10-6 or 9-7, a playoff loss, 2 dumb losses, excuses, moronic jabber .... and then Ben will retire and we will get to watch Tomlin rebuild his defense for the 18th straight year

[Ice]

I still have a pretty strong feeling you're never going to see Mike Tomlin coaching a Steeler team without Ben, and you're not going to see Ben playing for the Steelers without Tomlin.

Ben will throw Todd Haley under the bus without hesitation, but I think he has a genuine respect and rapport with Tomlin.

[Kodiak]

... but I think he has a genuine respect and rapport with Tomlin.

Tomlin is no dummy - Ben's ass was the right one to kiss.

That backfired with Bell and AB and maybe a few others. But Ben has only ever cared about winning.

That said, I'm sure Ben doesn't want another coach trying to change how he plays at this stage of his career. He's having fun, and Ben maybe isn't all that interested in not having fun while pursuing another ring. Canning Haley and promoting Fitchner is also pandering to Ben - which isn't mutually exclusive from being the right/good move as well.

[Ice]

I would say it was also the beginning of ditching the ego and fantasy football based "just get it to Bell and Brown no matter what" offense in favor of diversity, spreading the ball and actually scheming players open. It's pretty much proven that T_dd Haley's Madden 1997 offensive system and playcalling wasn't beating good teams in the playoffs.

[K_C_]

I would say it was also the beginning of ditching the ego and fantasy football based "just get it to Bell and Brown no matter what" offense in favor of diversity, spreading the ball and actually scheming players open. It's pretty much proven that T_dd Haley's Madden 1997 offensive system and playcalling wasn't beating good teams in the playoffs.

No matter how talented MC Hammer Jr was while he was in Pittsburgh, he was waaaaaaay over-targeted. Especially last season. It got ridiculous to watch.

You could 100% tell they were trying to keep this fuckstick happy and were trying to keep him from being a locker room distraction (which I'll bet he's been for longer than a year or 2.)

We're going to find that getting rid of both Bell and MC Hammer Jr was THE BEST thing this organization could have done.

[steeledge]

Maybe they realized they saddled him with Todd Haley and ruined a good portion of his career?

Um, no, but nice try...
Even for you, that's a ginormous stretch, B2B.

Todd Haley's offense (WHICH WAS HIS JOB) was hamstrung by the ineptitude of a defense "built" by an HC that fooled everybody into thinking he was a defensive mastermind.



Even so, Haley's LOOONG gone, so give it a fucking rest already...

[StillMadAtSlobber]

I can’t and have never liked Tomlin. He’s a fake and a phony who is and has always been over his head! Yet, he is also a complete narcissist who thinks he does not wrong. I don’t remember him ever putting all of the blame for loss on his shoulders. He’s a complete dickhead and I wish he was fucking gone - years ago! Fucking extension of any time period is Art’s way of continuing to fuck this team up!

This