More Playing Time for Jervis

[Thrillsseeker]

His ceiling is Larry Foote

He's not as good as Larry Foote. He's Alonzo Jackson.

This.

[955876]

Because I can watch games and see with my eyes that he hasn't been rushing the QB all that much.

Jeemie! I broke it down for you! Other than the 2 min offense where they were only rushing 3, he almost always rushes. And gets nowhere.

Is this at all surprising when he's one of only 4 rushing? He's getting swallowed, just like every other member of the D trying to pressure the QB.

Are you implying that 5+ rushers need to be sent in order for one of them to get home?

Couldn't possibly be that he is just too slow & weak to be an effective pass rusher could it?

[jeemie]

As Perch pointed out, he has done what he's been asked to do...stop the run and cover.

He's not been half bad doing that.

They haven't asked him to rush the QB all that much.

Probably because he can't.

He's almost always rushed because he's a liability in coverage. He's just so pedestrian rushing the QB that it seems like he's not rushing that much.

Well I was going off what Perch said...maybe that was biasing my memory of what I have seen.

I'll have to scrub some tape...

If he is rushing a lot and is that bad...oh well...get well soon, Bud!!!

[V DUB]

Are you implying that 5+ rushers need to be sent in order for one of them to get home?

Couldn't possibly be that he is just too slow & weak to be an effective pass rusher could it?[/quote]

Not implying anything. The pass rush as a whole hasn't been getting home. I have trouble singling out one player when there are 3 others getting the same results.

[bradshaw2ben]

Are you implying that 5+ rushers need to be sent in order for one of them to get home?

Couldn't possibly be that he is just too slow & weak to be an effective pass rusher could it?

Not implying anything. The pass rush as a whole hasn't been getting home. I have trouble singling out one player when there are 3 others getting the same results.[/quote]
It was in response to assertion JArvis wasn't being tasked to rush very much.

Secondarily; none of them have been great-- but if you watch each, Jarvis is clearly the worst pass rusher of the group.

[955876]

Not implying anything. The pass rush as a whole hasn't been getting home. I have trouble singling out one player when there are 3 others getting the same results.

The way you framed your response implied something along the lines of "because we are only sending 4..."

I agree that nobody else has gotten to the QB either. However, 2 games in is a VERY small sample size and I'm pretty sure over the course of the season the numbers will revert to the mean.

Problem with Jones is that his numbers through 2 games are pretty much on par with his numbers over longer stretches. Nada..

Jones has 5 sacks over his three seasons.
Heyward has 19.5 over those same three seasons.
Tuit has 7.5 over just 2 seasons.
Moats has 8 sacks over 2 seasons. Technically 9 but I really can't call that sack he he had this year a sack.

Jones is not a pass rusher. It's been evident from the first moment he stepped onto the field with us.

If Jones was a turd I was trying to push out I'd have to start today for it to splash come Sunday.

[V DUB]

I understand that, B2B & you had a great point about him being stiff when he has to combine moves. I can't argue that point. I take issue with the results argument & he was drafted to rush. Everyone rushing on the line was drafted to rush...it makes no sense.

[86n96]

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[V DUB]

Not implying anything. The pass rush as a whole hasn't been getting home. I have trouble singling out one player when there are 3 others getting the same results.

The way you framed your response implied something along the lines of "because we are only sending 4..."

I agree that nobody else has gotten to the QB either. However, 2 games in is a VERY small sample size and I'm pretty sure over the course of the season the numbers will revert to the mean.

Problem with Jones is that his numbers through 2 games are pretty much on par with his numbers over longer stretches. Nada..

Jones has 5 sacks over his three seasons.
Heyward has 19.5 over those same three seasons.
Tuit has 7.5 over just 2 seasons.
Moats has 8 sacks over 2 seasons. Technically 9 but I really can't call that sack he he had this year a sack.

Jones is not a pass rusher. It's been evident from the first moment he stepped onto the field with us.

If Jones was a turd I was trying to push out I'd have to start today for it to splash come Sunday.

Yeah, I'm not going down that road. I've repeatedly stated I didn't like him coming out of GA...I key on him during games, hoping to be proven wrong, & he has shown improvement...rushing five for sure would help if he's iso'd...just like it would for anyone else.

I see things differently than B2B, in that most rushers get a sack a game...if you're really fucking good. I've seen hurried throws, near sacks, violent hands. He's not a first step guy, & like B2B pointed out has a variety of moves. If & when that translates, ect. Long season, i'm not really worried being we're 2-0.

[V DUB]

As an afterthought, if Jones had 3 sacks & we were 1-1,...or 0-2 would it matter?

[955876]

You'd have to be crazy to prefer more sacks and 1-1 than no sacks and 2-0. I always want the win.

But then, since when has getting a sack ever been a reason for a loss? Not sure how that really correlates in terms of your example.

I'd take zero sacks from the entire defense for the season if it meant 16-0 and a SB.

But now that's not realistic. And while I'm not overly "concerned" at his point because I think the D will get pressure, I do realize that sacks can and do help a defense and the inability to get said sacks without smoke & mirrors or bringing the house ultimately will hurt a defense. Typically when it matters most i.e. postseason.

At some point you gotta be able to buckle your chin strap and beat the man across from you.

That is becoming a highly improbable task for JJ.

[randomsteelerfan]

As an afterthought, if Jones had 3 sacks & we were 1-1,...or 0-2 would it matter?

Exactly. We'd all take 2-0 and zero sacks ALL DAY, as AB would say.

If Tomlin's track record of team growth as the season progresses continues as it historically has, the Steelers are well on their way to having a monster season and being a damn good team, regardless of JJ..

[V DUB]

Bullshit, and I'll tell you why.

The fundamentals of a 3-4 is to disguise the 4th & 5th rusher. Thus creating an element of disguise. We are not doing that, & I believe that was Perch's point. Rushing Jarvis is in effect taking up OL. Which is what his job is.

I think coaching, up to this point has him & others pushing & containing the pocket, while hurriing throws.

I think they are doing a good job evIdenced by ppg, & I think they're going to roll with that.

[V DUB]

Also 95, wtf do you think a 3-4 is besides smoke & mirrors? It's exactly that, if you want to believe it or not.

[955876]

I'm not saying you don't need to utilIe smoke & mirrors. I also realize the importance of disguising blitzes. I'm also not disagreeing with he 3-4 concepts you are referring to.

What you are failing to accept is that at times you will actually need to step up and simply beat your man.

You can't always blitz and you can't always rely on that "smoke & mirrors" to accomplish the mission. Especially against the really good QBs like Brady.

He isn't easily fooled ya know. So ummm ya, sometimes that OLB just has to be better than the OT.

Not sure how you can disagree with that. Feel free to continue that thinking if it makes you feel better.

[V DUB]

I'll raise you on this isn't your Hamptons, Smiths, DL, when everyone needed a double.

Big Snack was severely underrated.

[955876]

And? I agree Hampton was a stud. I don't agree he being in the field would help Jones. Unless of course it afforded him a free release with nobody blockin him.

Even when we bring more than 4 all disguised with plenty of smoke & mirrors if Jarvis is one of those rushers he is still expected to beat his man is he not??

The guy just doesn't get it done as a pass rusher. I'm not disagreeing with any of the other stuff you are saying.

I'm simply saying he is a very weak link in our pass rush that weakens the entire teams pass rush.

You can try to explain it away all you like. Everything you are saying about the 3-4 I agree with but everything I'm saying about Jones is what he's put on tape.

He's a non-factor. That's not opinion but rather his results, or lack thereof.

[V DUB]

That's not my point.

I'm arguing he's doing what the coaches ask of him.. you're saying that a I shit pick I predicted fails? Explain how this benefits you.

[955876]

You are actually saying he's not being asked to get to the QB?? Ok.

And it doesn't help me nor am I trying to pull an "I told ya so". I wanted him to be a stud. He's been a dud and I'm discussing it. Am I not allowed to discuss Jarvis Jones in a Jarvis Jones thread?

In all his time here he's a decoy?

You have actually seen him in games try to rush the passer and just never actually beat his man have you not?

Or was he told not to?

Let's make his simple, if he is one of the 11 defenders on the field and told to run toward QB instead of drop into coverage then the coaches would absolutely like him to put QB on the ground.

There is a reason they declined to pick up his option.

[V DUB]

Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm saying simply if you put a 4 on 5 rush, with an OLB giving up 100 lbs on a bullrush, it's bound to fail.. if you're asking that same OLB to occupy a blocker or two, to get the matchup you want, it's a win. The coaches seem to agree with me.

[955876]

But then there's that whole not picking up the option thing. So don't be so sure that you are sure bout what the coaches think...

If he'd been doing what the coaches wanted to their satisfaction they would have picked-up the option.

They didn't for a reason.

[Legacy User]

I believe the coaches are asking Jerv to titty fight, and he's delivering.

[V DUB]

Look, I'm not a fan of his, I'm just saying he's not as bad as most of you suggest.

If you're going to play the titty fight card, you have to say the same about Cam, Tuitt, Hargraves, Harrison & Moats.

[955876]

If you're going to play the titty fight card, you have to say the same about Cam, Tuitt, Hargraves, Harrison & Moats.

This is where your argument slips IMO. Hargraves is only a handful of snaps into his career and shouldn't be part of the discussion. Yet.

The rest have a track record and all have shown they can put up numbers far superior than Jones.

Tuitt & Moats had more sacks in 2 seasons than Jones in 3. Yes I know Jones was hurt some but Moats wasn't a full time starter and Tuitt did it from a position that is typically more difficult to generate sacks from.

Jones has been a titty fighter his entire time in the NFL. Same can't be said of the others.

Not trying to start up an argument. Just debating to debate it. I hope JJ puts up double digits this year. Definately not holding my breath though.

[K_C_]

Look, I'm not a fan of his, I'm just saying he's not as bad as most of you suggest.

If you're going to play the titty fight card, you have to say the same about Cam, Tuitt, Hargraves, Harrison & Moats.

LOL!

This is some seriously funny bullshit!

[Legacy User]

Look, I'm not a fan of his, I'm just saying he's not as bad as most of you suggest.

If you're going to play the titty fight card, you have to say the same about Cam, Tuitt, Hargraves, Harrison & Moats.

LOL!

This is some seriously funny bullshit!

I like the revelation by the staff

Gee willikers JJ is just as "good" on the left side. Maybe even better!

Translation: Bud is the future ROLB and JJ has to beat out Chick and Moats to earn a meh contract.

Its coming, guaranteed. JJ has no future at ROLB for the Steelers, at least as the primary player in '17.

Maybe he;ll bolt like Ziggy. Maybe he won't get any good money offers and hangs around as depth and ST, ala DHB. It wouldn't be the worst if he can swallow his pride.

[V DUB]

Look, I'm not a fan of his, I'm just saying he's not as bad as most of you suggest.

If you're going to play the titty fight card, you have to say the same about Cam, Tuitt, Hargraves, Harrison & Moats.

LOL!

This is some seriously funny bullshit!

If I can make KC laugh, there's a decent shot I made 100% of any Downs Syndrome kid laugh.

KC, if jokes were a barn, you couldn't hit the broadside from the inside of one.

[V DUB]

If you're going to play the titty fight card, you have to say the same about Cam, Tuitt, Hargraves, Harrison & Moats.

This is where your argument slips IMO. Hargraves is only a handful of snaps into his career and shouldn't be part of the discussion. Yet.

The rest have a track record and all have shown they can put up numbers far superior than Jones.

Tuitt & Moats had more sacks in 2 seasons than Jones in 3. Yes I know Jones was hurt some but Moats wasn't a full time starter and Tuitt did it from a position that is typically more difficult to generate sacks from.

Jones has been a titty fighter his entire time in the NFL. Same can't be said of the others.

Not trying to start up an argument. Just debating to debate it. I hope JJ puts up double digits this year. Definately not holding my breath though.

I get it..& appreciate the discussion. It's a fucking hard life to have a counter point.

[randomsteelerfan]

Look, I'm not a fan of his, I'm just saying he's not as bad as most of you suggest.

If you're going to play the titty fight card, you have to say the same about Cam, Tuitt, Hargraves, Harrison & Moats.

LOL!

This is some seriously funny bullshit!

If I can make KC laugh, there's a decent shot I made 100% of any Downs Syndrome kid laugh.

KC, if jokes were a barn, you couldn't hit the broadside from the inside of one.

3...2...1..

KCs rebuttal will be some dimwitted, predictable comment followed by an emoticon.

Anyone want the over/under on LOLs and/or smiley faces he throws down?

[K_C_]

Look, I'm not a fan of his, I'm just saying he's not as bad as most of you suggest.

If you're going to play the titty fight card, you have to say the same about Cam, Tuitt, Hargraves, Harrison & Moats.

LOL!

This is some seriously funny bullshit!

If I can make KC laugh, there's a decent shot I made 100% of any Downs Syndrome kid laugh.

KC, if jokes were a barn, you couldn't hit the broadside from the inside of one.

You're a walking joke, my man!

But you're right, Jervis ain't so bad.

He's SUPPOSED to be completely ineffective, year after year after year.

LOL!!!!