How will Tomlin be remembered by Pittsburgh fans

[rooneytunes]

Lets say that he does go after Ben retires in the next three years or so. Who knows, maybe he will be here for another 10 years but for this topic lets say he does retire in the next few years. Maybe we reach playoffs but dont come close to another SB.

How will Tomlin be remembered? Cowher I think is remembered better because he won his SB at the end. He had some great moments up to that point but also some What the Fuck moments as well. His overall record I believe is very good but I dont think he will ever make the Hall of Fame or anything like that. He seems not to be revered like Noll but remembered fondly by Steeler fans. I know Steelers dont really do Ring of Honor type stuff but if he ever came back for a "Caher Paher" night to be honored the stadium would go nuts.

How will Tomlin be remembered? He won his early and some people think with Cowher's players. He has been to two and won one lost one just like Cowher and has had some horrible losses (Tebow, Jax) but he also hasnt had FOUR HOME AFCC LOSSES like some coaches. He has had his moments. I think one of his best coaching jobs was almost beating Manning and the one seed Broncos with a hurt Ben and no Bell or Brown. They would have won if not for that Croissant Mother Fucker.

He will probably be more known by Steeler fans for wasting Ben's prime, being Belicheck's Bitch, losing ridiculous games to inferior teams and killing playoff seeding if they do make it or missing out, and talking like a weirdo Obviously. His "Never had a losing season" thing I guess is kind of good and other fanbases would kill for that but for us spoiled Steeler fans we expect more.

So say five years after he is gone. How do you think Omar Epps will be remembered?

[Jobu]

What’s better than three head coaches in fifty years? Three head coaches in sixty years...seventy years???
Oh dear gawd!!! Just threw up in my mouth...

[rooneytunes]

What’s better than three head coaches in fifty years? Three head coaches in sixty years...seventy years???
Oh dear gawd!!! Just threw up in my mouth...

Yea, I think at times the Steeler organization clings to that weird stat like it is some source of pride but it becomes a negative on the field.

You always hear people say when you get past 10 years a coaches voice kind of fades away.

[K_C_]

He'll be remembered as he should be.

As a dumb, pretender, empty suit piece of shit.

[Kodiak]

He'll be remembered for doing less with more....for enabling stars rather than challenging them to be great.. The poster child for "right place, right time". Dude won the lottery - I think half the posters here could have done better.

[jewelsongs]

It depends who takes his place and how they do.

[Orangesteel]

He'll be remembered for doing less with more....for enabling stars rather than challenging them to be great.. The poster child for "right place, right time". Dude won the lottery - I think half the posters here could have done better.

This.

[fractalsteel]

Under achieving-far too often.
The last ten years were basically wasted.

[rooneytunes]

Under achieving-far too often.
The last ten years were basically wasted.

Would you say the same thing about Cowher's first ten years? I know he didn't have the qb talent his first ten years like Tomlin.

Quck poll. What is worse? Losing two home AFCC games when you are favorites (SD, 1st NE game) or losing to Tim Tebow and Blake Bortles and being one and done?

[rooneytunes]

It depends who takes his place and how they do.

I agree with that.

My fear is when he does retire and someone comes in and obviously is horrible The Steeler Way Philosophy will give him year after year to turn it around

[K_C_]

Under achieving-far too often.
The last ten years were basically wasted.

Would you say the same thing about Cowher's first ten years? I know he didn't have the qb talent his first ten years like Tomlin.

Quck poll. What is worse? Losing two home AFCC games when you are favorites (SD, 1st NE game) or losing to Tim Tebow and Blake Bortles and being one and done?

I didn't like Cowher because of his refusal to make the QB position a priority.

Cowher prided himself in winning with guys like Kordell Stewart. It was sheer idiocy.

As we all know, Cowher was so stupid, he wanted to take an offensive tackle instead of drafting Ben Roethlisberger.

That said, Cowher coached rings around Mike Dumblin. They aren't even in the same league as head coaches.

Dumblin is an empty suit. A basket full of cliches. A pretender.

[swissvale72]

I didnt like cowher either...wrote dueling articles some years ago listing the respective bullshit decisions of both these guys.

Mike Tomlin is more cowher than cowher. He's an unmitigated game day dumbfuck. His greatest gift, as I've oft-said, is an exceedingly well developed line of bullshit. And sometimes it serves him well. Other times, it's seen for what it is...bullshit.

[BethlehemSteel]

“The good teams, the dominant teams, aren't necessarily dominant in stadiums, but they are dominant largely in moments, when they do what's required to get out of stadiums with victories.”

“Excuses are tools of the incompetent”

“We don't live in our fears. We live in our hopes.”

“I tend to attack the challenges that are right in front of me, the ones that I have today.”

“I'm not concerned about avoiding anything that happened three years ago or worried about letdowns or things of that nature. When you use the term 'letdown' you proceed with the assumption that this is a continuation of something that happened in the past.”

“I'll tolerate you until I can replace you.”

“You must continue to dream the wild dream that you dreamed when you were young”

“Hungry is a word that I've been analyzing here of late. It's not hunger that drives me, it's not hunger that needs to drive our football team. Hunger and thirst are things that can be quenched. We have to be a driven group, we have to seek greatness.”

“Everybody with a helmet on is in the mix.”

“The Standard ... is the standard.”

[Orangesteel]

Fire Tomlin and go court Lincoln Riley. We need a younger, smarter coach who is hungry. Tomlin is fat, dumb and complacent as shit and his players aren’t even into him anymore.

[steelmann58]

i think he will outlast my lifetime

[AirRescueFF]

Ping Pong Nazi.

[fractalsteel]

Under achieving-far too often.
The last ten years were basically wasted.

Would you say the same thing about Cowher's first ten years? I know he didn't have the qb talent his first ten years like Tomlin.

Quck poll. What is worse? Losing two home AFCC games when you are favorites (SD, 1st NE game) or losing to Tim Tebow and Blake Bortles and being one and done?

No, Cowher came in like a breath of fresh air. Noll is an all-time great but he mailed it in the last few years. Cowher also built and maintained(for a good while) a stout defense. Tomlin never has.
Cowher had his warts and he had his share of underachieving as well but I rate him ahead of Tomlin.

Tomlin has had Ben his whole tenure and won only one Superbowl. I'm pretty sure if Cowher had Ben as long, he would have won more than one Superbowl.

[rooneytunes]

Say 5 years after he retires and he hasnt done anymore than what he has now. Say the Steelers honor him at halftime of a Monday night game.

What kind of reception does Tomlin get?

[K_C_]

Say 5 years after he retires and he hasnt done anymore than what he has now. Say the Steelers honor him at halftime of a Monday night game.

What kind of reception does Tomlin get?

They should piss on him in unison. The fuck.

[stairway 2 seven]

Coach Cliche will be remembered for winning a superbowl and having a high winning pct by the casual fan like Cowher was. Real fans will know he coached to not lose instead if trying to win games so he could keep making his multi million dollar salary for as many years as possible while squandering talent.

[blu]

I didnt like cowher either...wrote dueling articles some years ago listing the respective bullshit decisions of both these guys.

Mike Tomlin is more cowher than cowher. He's an unmitigated game day dumbfuck. His greatest gift, as I've oft-said, is an exceedingly well developed line of bullshit. And sometimes it serves him well. Other times, it's seen for what it is...bullshit.

Bill Cowher had his significant liabilities but he was a master at choosing excellent offensive & defensive co-ordinators. Mike Tomlin can't do that, either.

[Kodiak]

People always had the same complaint about Cowher's press conference. HC isn't accountable to the fans, so they don't owe us any explanations. They do the pressers only because the league makes them.


But I think more concerning is the occasional self-admissions of how lazy and dumb Tomlin is, like he doesn't watch (i.e. doesn't learn) other games in the league. Prefers to operate from the gut rather than careful scenario planning. Doesn't waste his time thinking about alternative outcomes, just plows ahead with what he thinks is the best plan.

He's a lot like Ben in that regard. Lots of rationalizations and justifications to put in less work. The greats, in any business, want all kinds of data and analysis to HONE their instincts....those two clowns want none of it.


Belicheat is probably the most data-driven coach in the league. Tomlin was very late to the game to even hire such an analyst a few years ago, but I doubt he pays much attention to the guy - he hired the guy only to avoid criticism of not having such a guy.

[Lynch]

Well, dunno bout y'all, but I sure as shit ain't gonna remember the Tomlin era very fondly.

[955876]

I’ll remember him for exactly what he is. The incompetent fuck that ran this team into the ground.

[Lynch]

Nah... Tomlin's great y'all. Clearly that's why he still has his job, cause he's such a great coach.

[SteelPowerful]

Tomlin has had Ben his whole tenure and won only one Superbowl. I'm pretty sure if Cowher had Ben as long, he would have won more than one Superbowl.

That is a pretty bold statement given that Cowher was defeated by the Patriots twice when it counted. In 2004, the Steelers were the top seed and they still could not beat the Patriots. The Steelers did not throw on first down until well into the game in that 2004 AFC Championship. The game plan sucked ass.

I seriously doubt Cowher would have beaten the Patriots any more than Tomlin has.

No coach can have success without a franchise QB. Belichick failed with the Browns and he was a loser before Brady arrived. Taking Tomlin's accomplishments away because he had Ben is asinine.

I do believe Tomlin will be gone soon, but he will be rehired in an instant. How he fares once he leaves will have a significant impact on how he is perceived by all football fans.

Sites like this remind me that the average fan is not very intelligent and thinks he knows everything, but he really knows nothing about everything.

[Jobu]

I didnt like cowher either...wrote dueling articles some years ago listing the respective bullshit decisions of both these guys.

Mike Tomlin is more cowher than cowher. He's an unmitigated game day dumbfuck. His greatest gift, as I've oft-said, is an exceedingly well developed line of bullshit. And sometimes it serves him well. Other times, it's seen for what it is...bullshit.

Bill Cowher had his significant liabilities but he was a master at choosing excellent offensive & defensive co-ordinators. Mike Tomlin can't do that, either.

Ray Sherman, Kevin Gilbride, and Tim Lewis say hi.

[bradshaw2ben]

Let's not forget Chaz Noll himself hired Joe Walton!

[El Kabong]

Let's not forget Chaz Noll himself hired Joe Walton!

And fired a good OC in Tom Moore to do it.

[Jobu]

Let's not forget Chaz Noll himself hired Joe Walton!

And fired a good OC in Tom Moore to do it.

Kudos on the El Kabong avatar. Takes me back to my youth...many, many...many years ago.