Modern Russia

[Legacy User]

I'm trying to be conciliatory and acknowledging a mistake on my part. Go back and read your post. Your wording regarding be like us or die is ambiguous regarding to whom it applies.

I take back the opinion you're not hysterical. How do you know 300 million wish what you say? Prove it asshole! Cite a reputable source, not some wing nut internet site.

And my institution is a private Jesuit university, so it is unlikely to become Sharia compliant.

I suggest you spend less time forming your world view on the Internet.

Seriously: let's see the proof you have. You're full of shit and you know it.

Pat Buchanan would think you're a dumb ass.

Dude this run off and do your homework and present it to me stuff doesn't cut it anymore. Try a little google like: what percentage of Muslims want Sharia. You'll probably get 100's of thousands of hits. As for not forming your world view on the Internet I find that amusing. The entire world of information is literally at your fingertips if you go about it looking without needing validation and with foreknowledge that much is presented from one world view or the other. Nevertheless, the general consensus is that fully one third of all Muslims world wide want Sharia uber alles.

So full of shit? no. Doing your footnoted research for you? no either

I suggest that you not filter your opinion with a few newspapers, magazines, Salon, Huffpo, Comedy Central or any other filter. Especially the phalanx of thought control that is a college faculty.

Ask yourself has being at a Jesuit Uni protected you from the politically correct changes that have occurred in the culture. As the culture changes so will your place of employment as it has before and is now.

As for Buchanan you make too many assumptions about me. As one wag put it there ain't a dimes worth of difference between them.

[Legacy User]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/denma ... lied-fully

If we're wrong, we look xenophobic to people who are going to call us that no matter what.

If they're wrong, it's a fast track back to the Middle Ages.

Not a hard decision tree here...

[Legacy User]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/denmark-77-percent-of-muslims-think-that-the-qurans-instructions-must-be-applied-fully

If we're wrong, we look xenophobic to people who are going to call us that no matter what.

If they're wrong, it's a fast track back to the Middle Ages.

Not a hard decision tree here...

how dare you

Hijrah

https://www.google.com/search?q=hajia+i ... +to+europe

[R_S]

There is not a large minority of Christians that clamor for crusade against Muslims.

you must not listen to too much right-wing/religious radio nor have watched the debates

oh, and Israel says Hi

Huh?

[Legacy User]

Amish/Jain/Shaolin priests (cuz every group has its bad element) call for stabbing and murder of enemies:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... -muhammad/

I guess you can't find any of those peaceful group leaders calling for murder after all. Not one.

[Legacy User]

If those rude, vodka swilling dudes in Adidas track suits driving Lamborghinis want to help keep a 2nd generation, US and Israel-hating dictator in power by killing his enemies...who are also US and Israeli-haters, then....

...wait...why the fuck do I care again?

[COR-TEN]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/denmark-77-percent-of-muslims-think-that-the-qurans-instructions-must-be-applied-fully

If we're wrong, we look xenophobic to people who are going to call us that no matter what.

If they're wrong, it's a fast track back to the Middle Ages.

Not a hard decision tree here...

Another myriad of grays distilled into black and white.

Simplifying and dumbing down the issues really makes it an easy decision tree.

[Legacy User]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/denmark-77-percent-of-muslims-think-that-the-qurans-instructions-must-be-applied-fully

If we're wrong, we look xenophobic to people who are going to call us that no matter what.

If they're wrong, it's a fast track back to the Middle Ages.

Not a hard decision tree here...

Another myriad of grays distilled into black and white.

Simplifying and dumbing down the issues really makes it an easy decision tree.

I guess saying the dumbing down meme feels good like rubbing your belly but it doesn't mean anything.

Meanwhile look at Europe, Stockholm is currently the rape capital of Islam. Almost exclusively millions of military age men Islamics with no productive skills but are followers of Sharia are entering Europe as we speak and demanding everything.

I'm glad that the Mrs and I went a few times to Europe years ago before it entered this age of the caliphate. How dumbing down meme is that for you?

[Legacy User]

I'm trying to be conciliatory and acknowledging a mistake on my part. Go back and read your post. Your wording regarding be like us or die is ambiguous regarding to whom it applies.

I take back the opinion you're not hysterical. How do you know 300 million wish what you say? Prove it asshole! Cite a reputable source, not some wing nut internet site.

And my institution is a private Jesuit university, so it is unlikely to become Sharia compliant.

I suggest you spend less time forming your world view on the Internet.

Seriously: let's see the proof you have. You're full of shit and you know it.

Pat Buchanan would think you're a dumb ass.

Dude this run off and do your homework and present it to me stuff doesn't cut it anymore. Try a little google like: what percentage of Muslims want Sharia. You'll probably get 100's of thousands of hits. As for not forming your world view on the Internet I find that amusing. The entire world of information is literally at your fingertips if you go about it looking without needing validation and with foreknowledge that much is presented from one world view or the other. Nevertheless, the general consensus is that fully one third of all Muslims world wide want Sharia uber alles.

So full of shit? no. Doing your footnoted research for you? no either

I suggest that you not filter your opinion with a few newspapers, magazines, Salon, Huffpo, Comedy Central or any other filter. Especially the phalanx of thought control that is a college faculty.

Ask yourself has being at a Jesuit Uni protected you from the politically correct changes that have occurred in the culture. As the culture changes so will your place of employment as it has before and is now.

As for Buchanan you make too many assumptions about me. As one wag put it there ain't a dimes worth of difference between them.

It's your position, Edsa. It falls to you to justify it. I doubt you can nor care to, but it's interesting that you wish to cling to a belief without justification. Actually it's not interesting. I'm just pointing it out. Pat Buchanan would think your present stance dumb and he is not in favor of a completely open society. I like Pat a lot, actually.

I get my news from the New York Times and PBS. I watch the McLaughlin Group over a scotch on Friday evenings. I don't spend much time online bc I have better things to do. Nor do I have or pay for cable bc I think it is s waste of money.

Jesuits are not shy about confronting religious realities and there is vibrant discussion on my campus about Islam. And we don't turn away conservative speakers or allow students to opt out of hearing or reading anything that might be offensive. And we have conservative members in the humanities depts. We have Straussians. I am sympathetic to Strauss. We are a very balanced group.

You are clueless about liberal arts education and doubtfully had one. It isn't the fluffy bullshit buffet choice you get at a state school. It is a conservative education based on old books.

Thought control? My god...stop being so dumb.

Democracies must walk a fine line: they are predicated on openness. It is up to Western European nations to decide how open and accomodating they wish to be. If a people cannot assimilate, they will become a cancer.

I do not at all fear for the UK. Her traditions are too deep. France has bigger problems. Germany will be able to assimilate I believe.

[Legacy User]

cling to a belief without justification

I stopped here: what pray tell is this belief that you take the position of almighty judge of the universe to deem unworthy? Shutting down ideas is a rather sophomoric, intolerant, passive agressive debating technique.

300 million puls Muslims that want Sharia uber alles?

As for Pat Knights of Malta Buchanan Ive heard him say he can't write what he really believes or he would never get back on McLaughlin.

Welp, Im being made to earn my keep, off to do some of that W word stuff.

[Legacy User]

cling to a belief without justification

I stopped here: what pray tell is this belief that you take the position of almighty judge of the universe to deem unworthy? Shutting down ideas is a rather sophomoric, intolerant, passive agressive debating technique.

300 million puls Muslims that want Sharia uber alles?

As for Pat Knights of Malta Buchanan Ive heard him say he can't write what he really believes or he would never get back on McLaughlin.

Welp, Im being made to earn my keep, off to do some of that W word stuff.

This is a silly response. And I know you read my whole post. You have little to say to it in response. Asking for the evidence on which a belief is based is not shutting down of a belief, it is an invitation to investigate it. You prove yourself to be unserious. Arguments, not persons, tell the worth of an idea.

[Legacy User]

Fucking Mormons just blew up Joseph's tomb:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/world ... lence.html

Oops never mind. Round up the usual suspects.

[Legacy User]

Fucking Mormons just blew up Joseph's tomb:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/world ... lence.html

Oops never mind. Round up the usual suspects.

What? No links to the reporting on Jewish extremists burning Palestinians alive in their homes? Hunh.

[Legacy User]

Poor Lit tries so desperately to be in Dan's league intellectually.....

[Legacy User]

Poor Lit tries so desperately to be in Dan's league intellectually.....

Or rather, I don't at all try.

I'm sorry, is there an argument here? Because Dan knows I do not deny that there is a serious problem with Muslim extremism. All I have done is to ask how he knows that the majority of Muslims wish we were all dead.

No, I think rather you suppose me inferior merely because you happen to agree with Dan's beliefs. You're more than welcome to join in the fun if you think you have done thing worth while to say.

And I rather enjoy posting back and forth with Dan. I think he is a smart guy.

[Legacy User]

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6697/sweden-collapse

Once arguably the sexiest nation on earth.

[Legacy User]

cling to a belief without justification

I stopped here: what pray tell is this belief that you take the position of almighty judge of the universe to deem unworthy? Shutting down ideas is a rather sophomoric, intolerant, passive agressive debating technique.

300 million puls Muslims that want Sharia uber alles?

As for Pat Knights of Malta Buchanan Ive heard him say he can't write what he really believes or he would never get back on McLaughlin.

Welp, Im being made to earn my keep, off to do some of that W word stuff.

This is a silly response. And I know you read my whole post. You have little to say to it in response. Asking for the evidence on which a belief is based is not shutting down of a belief, it is an invitation to investigate it. You prove yourself to be unserious. Arguments, not persons, tell the worth of an idea.

No I stopped where I said I did. If your going to blow off what I have to say as nonsense then well that's that isnt it?

[Legacy User]

I didn't say the majority wish us dead. The majority of Germans in 1937 supported Nazism not genocide. But in reality this is a distinction without a difference when it all plays out.

I said, consistent with data, that the majorities in free countries support sharia and things like the death penalty for apostasy. In many countries, the majority wish for the death of Israel and the US. Iran is flat out calling for it.

That the majority want to return us to the Middle Ages and away from liberal values is something liberals should be against.

That is, they would be if they were truly motivated by desire for human progress rather than pure adolescent daddy issues hatred of classical Western values which explains all the disdain for the founding fathers.

As it is, they are the enablers of a return to barbarism under the banner of progressivism.

Enablers and apologists for evil are evil too.



Janis Ian here is simply paraphrasing something MLK once said...which liberals used to agree with.

[Legacy User]

I didn't say the majority wish us dead. The majority of Germans in 1937 supported Nazism not genocide. But in reality this is a distinction without a difference when it all plays out.

I said, consistent with data, that the majorities in free countries support sharia and things like the death penalty for apostasy. In many countries, the majority wish for the death of Israel and the US. Iran is flat out calling for it.

That the majority want to return us to the Middle Ages and away from liberal values is something liberals should be against.

That is, they would be if they were truly motivated by desire for human progress rather than pure adolescent daddy issues hatred of classical Western values which explains all the disdain for the founding fathers.

As it is, they are the enablers of a return to barbarism under the banner of progressivism.

Enablers and apologists for evil are evil too.



Janis Ian here is simply paraphrasing something MLK once said...which liberals used to agree with.

The only credible report I've seen was done by Pew. It is unclear how many Mudlims actually support the extreme right wing views. When you say 'consistent' with the data, what data? Who did the studies? How was the polling done? How free do people feel to say otherwise. I freely admit that the majority of the rural male Pakistanisns are nut jobs by the way. The Palestinian issue goes way beyond religion, which is why I responded the way I did.

I think the Arab Springbaught us that many are not simply interested in barsbarism. You know, my take is that if you have only been ruled under brutality it is hard to know anything else. And, Dan, you know damn well the the majority of young people in Iran do not wish death on America. The old farts do, but the majority of Iranans are the youth. They crave open markets and progress. Don't pretend line they don't.

[bradshaw2ben]

Fucking Mormons just blew up Joseph's tomb:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/world ... lence.html

Oops never mind. Round up the usual suspects.

What? No links to the reporting on Jewish extremists burning Palestinians alive in their homes? Hunh.

not to mention:
http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/politics/2015/9/14/israels-assault-on-al-aqsa-mosque-worst-since-1969
which, strangely enough, the NYT doesn't bother to mention.

That's the problem with depending exclusively on American mainstream news sources-- they've essentially become the mouthpiece for the US government/big business interests.

I think it's really dangerous to paint any giant population with a broad brush-- to understand my point, all you have to do is imagine what America, American culture, reality TV, the CIA, Corporate America, Judge Judy, and the Kardashians etc look like to someone on the other side of the world in a completely different historical context/culture. We look like depraved Nazis and violent morons, hell-bent on world domination and destruction.

Do I think that describes everyone in America? Of course not. But I also completely understand the difference in perspective sometimes. Most people that I have met worldwide are interested in the food/shelter/safety for their families, getting a chance at some happiness/to do things that fulfill their sense of self-worth, regardless of the difficulty of their lives, and being left alone by those who try to dominate others. That's more or less the primary objective.

It's probably true that, barring the ability to live that kind of life, they turn to ever more violent attempts to be heard/"free" to live the way they choose to live.

I think turning that into motivation to kill everyone else in the entire world, if it in fact exists, is about 50 steps down the line in priorities, even for radicals.