Modern Russia

[Legacy User]

I love America and being an American. I fully support our troops doing what they have to do to come home alive and well.

Our foreign policy has been ruled by war mongers and profiteers for a long time, and theyve promulgated mountainous lies upon lies to support it. If you dont believe that you havent been paying attention.

I personally find all religion at best suspect.

The idea that most Muslims are bad or untolerant just isnt fact.

[Legacy User]

That 30% or more wish to live under religious law does not make anything I wrote disingenuous. You may have meant a different term. If anything it supports what I have said. At one point in the West, no power was recognized that did not have religious sanction.

The Muslim culture has a serious problem with extremism that is a real threat and that must be dealt with. History shows that there is nothing essentially extreme about Muslim culture. That's what hawkish people want everyone to think, however.

Again, if all a people know is brutal dictatorship, it will be hard to change quickly to peaceful self rule. What is surprising and hopeful is that only 30% wish for such law.

Call it an act of ommision if you wish.

As for your "at one point"; this is a spurious argument because we are dealing in the here and now. A world where Christianity makes no claim over government or the courts in our country. Sharia exists unaltered from the 7th century with the goal of a worldwide caliphate that eliminates all infidels, infidel laws, infidel cultures, infidel governments and infidel courts.

Over 300 million Muslims world wide want Sharia which is in direct conflict with the Golden Rule which precedes Christianity to say nothing of the Magna Carta through our Bill of Right.

The point is that either you have Sharia or you have the West. Both cannot flourish side by side. Both cannot co-exist in the same land without the domination over all that is Sharia or the domination of Sharia over all.

Hence the on going disasters that are current Pakistan, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Syria, Note how Egypt dealt with unbridled Sharia. Authoritarianism is the only way to deal with it or be dominated by it.

See for a small example European women that aren’t covered up like a sack of potatoes if you don’t believe me.

Personally I prefer the liberty of the West.

[Legacy User]

there is nothing spurious about what I have said. Either you did not read me closely enough or failed to understand my point.

[Legacy User]

there is nothing spurious about what I have said. Either you did not read me closely enough or failed to understand my point.

The Muslim culture has a serious problem with extremism that is a real threat and that must be dealt with. History shows that there is nothing essentially extreme about Muslim culture. That's what hawkish people want everyone to think, however.

Look it up. Islam is the most murderous philosophy/ idea in history. It even outdoes Communism; of course it has a head start. Christianity only leads this category in Hollywood. In reality Christianity isn’t even on the most murderous list.

I'm hardly hawkish, yet when faced with a force, that when finished, was unleashed on the world as a thoroughly psychopathic system I take notice.

What sold me on this was the Islamic approach to discrepancies in the Quran. The earlier verses written in Mecca are generally tolerant. The later verses written in Medina are the ones full of death for unbelievers and those that break their laws. It was ruled within 100 years of Mohamed's death that in the case of these discrepancies in the Quran that believers were to follow what was written later, no ambiguity on that point.

Now if Islam could reform itself, to become tolerant and accept the golden rule, then even though our nation’s Constitution was written for a moral and Christian people I think we could accept them. I don’t see this happening. Nor with “Taqiyya” do I see how to differentiate between those that support the imposition of Sharia and those that don’t.



When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

[Legacy User]

Even Steve Kroft can't believe the bullshit anymore:

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/09/g ... el-groups/

Of course Islam is a murderous philosophy because Sharia is based on the threat of murder.

And for those of you who want to blame Xianity or the West or the US there's this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_o ... m_in_India

So what happened to the Buddhists in India, the Jains in Persia, and the Nestorians everywhere?

[955876]

And for those of you who want to blame Xianity or the West or the U.S.

Our own President chose to blamed the West for the Benghazi attack. Tried to sell BS that it was just a peaceful demonstration against an anti-Muslim video that got out of control.

He knew damn well it was an attack yet lied and tried to redirect blame/attention elsewhere.

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"President Barack Obama: Well– Steve, I got to tell you, if you think that running your economy into the ground and having to send troops in, in order to prop up your only ally is leadership, then we’ve got a different definition of leadership."

Yup. Putin is so smart, he's following W Bush's lead. Destroying the economy while sending troops to prop up his only ally in the middle east - Israel - while placating his extremist war hawk base at home. Everything is so much better now that Bush tried to install a western democracy over night in a culture he didn't understand.

Yes, we should do it again. Exactly the same way. Worked wonders in Iraq and Afghanistan. Trillions of dollars worth with exceptional gains, right? We're in such a better place, eh? Yeah. That's leadership, alright/sarcafont.

I guess if your a stupid, narrow minded, ideologue but a brute, you're "strong." Intelligence with prudence, and forethought is "weak."

I never thought colonialism would be advocated in the 21st century.

[Legacy User]

there is nothing spurious about what I have said. Either you did not read me closely enough or failed to understand my point.

The Muslim culture has a serious problem with extremism that is a real threat and that must be dealt with. History shows that there is nothing essentially extreme about Muslim culture. That's what hawkish people want everyone to think, however.

Look it up. Islam is the most murderous philosophy/ idea in history. It even outdoes Communism; of course it has a head start. Christianity only leads this category in Hollywood. In reality Christianity isn’t even on the most murderous list.

I'm hardly hawkish, yet when faced with a force, that when finished, was unleashed on the world as a thoroughly psychopathic system I take notice.

What sold me on this was the Islamic approach to discrepancies in the Quran. The earlier verses written in Mecca are generally tolerant. The later verses written in Medina are the ones full of death for unbelievers and those that break their laws. It was ruled within 100 years of Mohamed's death that in the case of these discrepancies in the Quran that believers were to follow what was written later, no ambiguity on that point.

Now if Islam could reform itself, to become tolerant and accept the golden rule, then even though our nation’s Constitution was written for a moral and Christian people I think we could accept them. I don’t see this happening. Nor with “Taqiyya” do I see how to differentiate between those that support the imposition of Sharia and those that don’t.



When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Yeah but most Muslims are not extremists. Are you interested in battling extremism or do you advocate some sort of holy war like Dan? Let's be pragmatic and level headed. And Islam is not a philosophy. It's based on revelation, not reason. Look if you want to think most Muslims are evil have it. I don't care.

[Legacy User]

Yeah but most Muslims are not extremists. Are you interested in battling extremism or do you advocate some sort of holy war like Dan? Let's be pragmatic and level headed. And Islam is not a philosophy. It's based on revelation, not reason. Look if you want to think most Muslims are evil have it. I don't care.

Yeah but most Muslims are not extremists. Are you interested in battling extremism or do you advocate some sort of holy war like Dan? Let's be pragmatic and level headed. And Islam is not a philosophy. It's based on revelation, not reason. Look if you want to think most Muslims are evil have it. I don't care.[/quote]

There is no such thing as an extremist Muslim, there are devote Muslims, moderate Muslims that cheer them on and the other 70% that keep their mouths shut. Pretty much like any people except other people aren't infected with the idea that everybody has to be like us or they must die.



and you cant readily tell who is who due to Taqqiya

[franco>madden]

Damn, Edsal, seriously wish some our clowns in national leadership had your knowledge and understanding of the conflicts going down.

Based on your posts in this thread, you've got my vote. And Dan for VP.

I do love you too, Lit; maybe Speaker of House or Ambassador to Ireland or somewhere

[Legacy User]

Damn, Edsal, seriously wish some our clowns in national leadership had your knowledge and understanding of the conflicts going down.

Based on your posts in this thread, you've got my vote. And Dan for VP.

I do love you too, Lit; maybe Speaker of House or Ambassador to Ireland or somewhere

Ha ha.

"Make him a cultural attaché of some sort where can't really do anything."

To Edsal: pretty sure you have no way of knowing what you're saying. How many Muslims do you know? Everyone has to be like us or die. Yeah right. Where are you getting your psychological profiling info from? I don't really care what their holy book says. I care what the majority of them think and actually believe in terms of practical day to day living. And I doubt rather highly that the majority of the silent 70% think all must be like them or die. Prove it, since it's your position.

[Legacy User]

Damn, Edsal, seriously wish some our clowns in national leadership had your knowledge and understanding of the conflicts going down.

Based on your posts in this thread, you've got my vote. And Dan for VP.

I do love you too, Lit; maybe Speaker of House or Ambassador to Ireland or somewhere

Ha ha.

"Make him a cultural attaché of some sort where can't really do anything."

To Edsal: pretty sure you have no way of knowing what you're saying. How many Muslims do you know? Everyone has to be like us or die. Yeah right. Where are you getting your psychological profiling info from? I don't really care what their holy book says. I care what the majority of them think and actually believe in terms of practical day to day living. And I doubt rather highly that the majority of the silent 70% think all must be like them or die. Prove it, since it's your position.

Personal interaction with Muslims? Comon.

Did I say the 70% do anything at all. Ill leave you with this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1l4gGkPziA

I'll leave you with this link.

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I think most of the right wing thinking is based on paranoia, fear, and self importance. It's also an extremist point of view, so it makes me chuckle to hear them talk about how Islam is fundamentally extremist. Not having full control and/ or change is not something that sits well with the fearful and paranoid character. It's the "daddy" complex.

[Legacy User]

Whatever you say, Officer Barbarady. Nothing to see here:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages ... ttacks.htm

[Legacy User]

Damn, Edsal, seriously wish some our clowns in national leadership had your knowledge and understanding of the conflicts going down.

Based on your posts in this thread, you've got my vote. And Dan for VP.

I do love you too, Lit; maybe Speaker of House or Ambassador to Ireland or somewhere

Ha ha.

"Make him a cultural attaché of some sort where can't really do anything."

To Edsal: pretty sure you have no way of knowing what you're saying. How many Muslims do you know? Everyone has to be like us or die. Yeah right. Where are you getting your psychological profiling info from? I don't really care what their holy book says. I care what the majority of them think and actually believe in terms of practical day to day living. And I doubt rather highly that the majority of the silent 70% think all must be like them or die. Prove it, since it's your position.

Personal interaction with Muslims? Comon.

Did I say the 70% do anything at all. Ill leave you with this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1l4gGkPziA

I'll leave you with this link.

Well you said that 70% are silent and then added that unlike other people, Muslim people think everyone has to be like them or die. I asked for proof and you posted a YouTube link. I.e., you declined to provide any.

I'll pack my bags for Ireland, now.

[Legacy User]

Whatever you say, Officer Barbarady. Nothing to see here:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages ... ttacks.htm

Oh look a random biased link on the net that supports your opinion. Impressive.

No one is denying that Islam has a serious problem. It does. And it needs to be dealt with. But the notion that all Muslins are like this or even close to half, it's hysteria. I thought you were a scientist. For a scientist, you aren't very skeptical (scientific).

[Legacy User]

We get it Lit. Muslims can destroy your entire town and university with a nuclear blast and you'd be sitting in the rubble reminding us...

"....well not all Muslims..."

And you would still be priding yourself on being open minded...

Get the fuck over "not all". It's very smug and adolescent. You think it makes you look smart, it actually makes you look stupid and defenseless. Nothing evil is "all". It's a minority who act and a majority who don't mind what the minority is doing...most Muslims in moderate countries support the death penalty for apostasy even if they wouldn't personally kill you.

[Legacy User]

We get it Lit. Muslims can destroy your entire town and university with a nuclear blast and you'd be sitting in the rubble reminding us...

"....well not all Muslims..."

And I'd be right. I have never claimed that there is not a serious problem with a minority of crazies.

And you would still be priding yourself on being open minded...

Get the fuck over "not all". It's very smug and adolescent.

I think you meant to use different terms. Unclear why stating an obvious reality is smug or juvenile.

You think it makes you look smart, it actually makes you look stupid and defenseless. Nothing evil is "all". It's a minority who act and a majority who don't mind what the minority is doing...most Muslims in moderate countries support the death penalty for apostasy even if they wouldn't personally kill you.

How do you know the majority are cool with terrorism? You think the Muslims being butchered by ISIS are cool with it? Ha ha. And you think I'm dumb? Ha ha ha. How do you know the majority supports death penalty for apostasy? And if they wouldn't personally kill me, why do you care? You're a fuvking nut job who wants a crusade. Thank god all you do about evil is bitch on a message board and vote.

[Legacy User]

I think most of the right wing thinking is based on paranoia, fear, and self importance. It's also an extremist point of view, so it makes me chuckle to hear them talk about how Islam is fundamentally extremist. Not having full control and/ or change is not something that sits well with the fearful and paranoid character. It's the "daddy" complex.>>

so declares the poster who recently expressed his concerns about the upcoming water wars...

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I think most of the right wing thinking is based on paranoia, fear, and self importance. It's also an extremist point of view, so it makes me chuckle to hear them talk about how Islam is fundamentally extremist. Not having full control and/ or change is not something that sits well with the fearful and paranoid character. It's the "daddy" complex.>>

so declares the poster who recently expressed his concerns about the upcoming water wars...

I'm going to give you the opportunity to review the water thread. You might want to edit your current post.

[Legacy User]

"daddy complex"

we're in full projection mode today, aren't we?

[Legacy User]

And I doubt rather highly that the majority of the silent 70% think all must be like them or die. Prove it, since it's your position.

Did i have a comma in the wrong place? I said like any or meant like any other group the majority do nothing. As in go with the flow. I think you're the only one read it as if I said all muslims. I certainly did not.

[Legacy User]

And I doubt rather highly that the majority of the silent 70% think all must be like them or die. Prove it, since it's your position.

Did i have a comma in the wrong place? I said like any or meant like any other group the majority do nothing. As in go with the flow. I think you're the only one read it as if I said all muslims. I certainly did not.

I'm not immune to failing to read properly. And probably made the mistake of supposing you have Dan's exact attitude. I'm not about insist that you hold a position you deny holding. You have really to put your head in the sand to deny that there are violent tendencies in Islam. But it is equally dangerous to portray the majority of Muslims as people who all wish death on the West and non-Muslims. It is even more dangerous to assume that all of middle eastern ethnicity living in the Middle East share this attitude. Sounds like we agree on quite a bit really, but with different emphasis on different concerns. I think I am understandably nervous about easy generalizations about 2 billion people.

[Legacy User]

And I doubt rather highly that the majority of the silent 70% think all must be like them or die. Prove it, since it's your position.

Did i have a comma in the wrong place? I said like any or meant like any other group the majority do nothing. As in go with the flow. I think you're the only one read it as if I said all muslims. I certainly did not.

I'm not immune to failing to read properly. And probably made the mistake of supposing you have Dan's exact attitude. I'm not about insist that you hold a position you deny holding. You have really to put your head in the sand to deny that there are violent tendencies in Islam. But it is equally dangerous to portray the majority of Muslims as people who all wish death on the West and non-Muslims. It is even more dangerous to assume that all of middle eastern ethnicity living in the Middle East share this attitude. Sounds like we agree on quite a bit really, but with different emphasis on different concerns. I think I am understandably nervous about easy generalizations about 2 billion people.

Nobody, at least I didn't, say said the majority of muslims. That is just a flat out lie. I specifically stated that ~30% of Muslims worldwide want Sharia. That means over 300 million Muslims want to overturn and destroy Western Civilization. Imagine what your institution would be like under that. Oh I forgot, your place of work is a boiling frog pot.

In other news the Obama admin banned pork in all federal penitentiaries because "the prisoners didn't like it". I bet they don't being prisoners either. Obvious lie and just more boiling the frog.

Since your institution gets federal funds expect it to become Sharia compliant. That's when being LGBT(sp) compliant just isnt enough.

regards

[Legacy User]

I'm trying to be conciliatory and acknowledging a mistake on my part. Go back and read your post. Your wording regarding be like us or die is ambiguous regarding to whom it applies.

I take back the opinion you're not hysterical. How do you know 300 million wish what you say? Prove it asshole! Cite a reputable source, not some wing nut internet site.

And my institution is a private Jesuit university, so it is unlikely to become Sharia compliant.

I suggest you spend less time forming your world view on the Internet.

Seriously: let's see the proof you have. You're full of shit and you know it.

Pat Buchanan would think you're a dumb ass.

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You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn't receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don't believe in him. Jude 5

Don't associate with non-Christians. Don't receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8

Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22

Christians areof God;everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19

The non-Christian is a deceiver and an anti-Christ John 1:7

Anyone who doesn't share Paul's beliefs has an evil heart.Hebrews 3:12

False Jews are members of the synagogue of Satan. Revelations 2:9, 3:9

Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10

A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33

[Legacy User]

But really who cares about the crazy shit in the bible? There is not a large minority of Christians that clamor for crusade against Muslims.

There most definitely is a sizable minority of Muslins running around chopping off heads and scheming to blow things up in the West. It's a serious, real problem.

This notion that a third of all Muslins wish death on all things and people Western, I'd like to see the proof. You can bet your ass a lot in Palestine and Iran do and it is understandable, although a wrong opinion to hold.

Ah, fuck this thread. Back to football.

[Legacy User]

Catch a man a fish and he will eat for a day

Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

Give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

[bradshaw2ben]

Dan, isn't colonialism in the Middle East leading up to and following WWI a major contributing factor to the current cluster fuck? A bunch of artificially drawn lines that failed to grasp the prevailing tribal and ethnic divisions?

It failed to grasp nothing: it was designed to subjugate the consolidation of the extant tribal/ethnic groups. If memory serves, Churchill said he came up with a plan to put some middle-sized population in power, as a check on the larger group and a marginalization of the smallest population segment.

The idea was to keep these factions from working together to oppose colonialism/domination for outside/corporate pillaging

[bradshaw2ben]

There is not a large minority of Christians that clamor for crusade against Muslims.

you must not listen to too much right-wing/religious radio nor have watched the debates

oh, and Israel says Hi