More Playing Time for Jervis

[randomsteelerfan]

Just thought everyone here would be excited to hear the good news!

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/stee ... 1609220095

“Jarvis has played well for us and we want to find ways for him to continue to play, even as we rotate others in, so he’s been the guy we’ve identified of being capable of playing on either side,” Tomlin said.

[Ice]

Thanks for that. Somewhere, IC is smiling.

[StillerInCT]

He must be doing exactly what they're asking him to do because from my perspective he hasn't done anything to warrant this kind of praise.

[Old School Steeler]

Interpreting Tomlin's gift for doublespeak the key phrase here "will be rotating others in." Getting back to basics Jones is incapable of doing what he was drafted to do but he's a warm body in a position with little minimal depth and he does give you effort but not the result. "He's done everything we've asked him to do" speaks to his cooperation again w/o the result if the result you are seeking is pressure. Tomlin can't and won't discourage him but he has failed as a rusher. Chicks snaps might double this week against the Eagles. Chickillo's inside move, from left side looked a little quicker than last year. He vacates too much with his outside move, he cannot go that wide. Add OLB pressure to Butler's D and it climbs a rung.

[K_C_]

LOL!!

[K_C_]

Jervis is a complete and utter TURD.

[jeemie]

As Perch pointed out, he has done what he's been asked to do...stop the run and cover.

He's not been half bad doing that.

They haven't asked him to rush the QB all that much.

Probably because he can't.

[Legacy User]

Let's be honest too, losing Dupree was a hit. Getting Dupree back will make the whole front 7 better including Jarvis.

[jebrick]

When he rushes the QB I have seen him in more contain mode than unleash the hounds. I have also seen him with a nifty swim move but it drives him to wide to make it to the QB on time.

[bradshaw2ben]

I don't know what magic tv you guys are watching. He made a couple of decent plays on the run leverage-- nothing fancy nor wow. He can barely cover-- only 14 out of 45 pass plays and most of those were stand 3 hrs from LOS in the middle zone. He's flatfooted in coverage-- a completion was made this week right in front of him where he looked like he was in concrete. If he has to chase, you can forget about it. His pass rush moves are out of sync and laborious.

Arthur Moats is the guy who should get more snaps. He has an ice burst and at least creates a little difficulty. Chick will get better but he's far from home right now as a rusher. He's been solid in coverage, though.

Jarivs was embarrassingly bad on the all-22.

[Kodiak]

His ceiling is Larry Foote

[bradshaw2ben]

As Perch pointed out, he has done what he's been asked to do...stop the run and cover.

He's not been half bad doing that.

They haven't asked him to rush the QB all that much.

Probably because he can't.

He's almost always rushed because he's a liability in coverage. He's just so pedestrian rushing the QB that it seems like he's not rushing that much.

[bradshaw2ben]

I'd like to see a breakdown of the number of actual pass rush opportunities Jones has had this year.

It only seems like single digits because of the results.

here's is every pass play from just Cincinnati:
CIN
1. Bullrush swallowed by whitworth
2. One armed bullrush gets nowhere
3. Attempt at speed rush, whitworth kind of lets him go outside to create throwing window for ultra quick pass inside him; Jarvis takes a swipe at ball going by
4. Bull rush until he realizes TE out of backfield has gotten wide open. JArvis drops off, late-- pass is high and Mis-connects
5. Jarvis at LOLB drops into flat curl zone
6. Attempts club move to outside vs rt. Instead gets punched to the ground as dalton goes by on scramble
7. Tries inside slant rush, RT still gets hand on him, passes to RG... who promptly buries JJ into the turf
8. Tries speed rush vs RT and gets swatted to a stop.
9. Covers TE in flat
10. Stunt inside, gets a QB hurry when OC doesn't see him and he's unblocked
Back at rolb
11. Takes inside route off snap, bullrushes guard. Gets close after ball comes out
12. Looks like JJ has decided he can't go through or outside of whitworth, rushes so hard inside that he knocks over heyward and then gets doubled over backwards by guard.
13. Covers TE
14. Covers curl/slant
15. Tries to bullrush AW. No dice
16. Fakes center blitz. Drops to middle zone pass completed in front of him
17. Same except pass goes to outside
18. Same but drops int
19. Center zone
20. Center zone
21. Covers RB
22. Drops to seam/curl
23. Rushes into double team, gets nowhere
24. At lolb. Drops to flat
25. Tries to bullrush RT. No dice
26. Tries bullrush with handfifhting but is sealed off to outside. After 4 seconds, Dalton runs to outside and JArvis chases, can't get to him, slides down
27. Unblocked but hesitates, pass goes by him outside
28. Green dog while responsible for TE who blocks. Halfhearted.push
29. Gets edge with a hand slap but RT is quicker and seals him before he can get upfield or bend
30. Gets edge but loses balance-- double team stuffs
31. Gets underneath RT and gets edge late
32. Inside rush into doubleteam. No luck
33. Tries to bullrush and gets stood up
34. Middle zone
35. At rolb Tries bull rush, sealed off
36. Slow outside rush with wide arc
37. Tries bull rush, nowhere
38. Slants inside, blocked by LG
39. Drops in short zone
40. Lines up outside left of chick, tries fruitless bullrush
41. Lolb Bulrushes RG no dice
42. Clubs RT doesn't work
43. Gets to inside of Flatfooted RT but not enough burst to finish to QB
44. Bullrush into double team
45. Tries to get edge with a shoulder turn but RB runs by him to get open

I count 14 of 45 pass plays where he was in and did not rush. He had 2 decent ones that caused a little pressure (one was unblocked), although not getting all that close to the QB. A couple more where he got leverage or space late and the ball came out on time.

When Moats and Chickillo came in, pace really ramped up. Deebo's get off is also really good. None of them had much success finishing, but the difference with the energy and how much push they get jumps off the screen. On JJ's bull rush, the blocker absorbs the contact and handles him; with even Chickillo, they give up ground. When Jarvis does get an edge, he has trouble bending the edge and lacks a burst to finish plays.

[bradshaw2ben]

His ceiling is Larry Foote

He's not as good as Larry Foote. He's Alonzo Jackson.

[steelmann58]

I was surprised to see him going against the Rt some in Last week game.

[the-other-burg]

His pass rush looks like he is running in sand.

[Old School Steeler]

Porter quote per Eddie B PG:
"If he stays healthy I can see him being a guy that can give you double digit sacks, I really do," Porter said of Jones....

They want him to rush the passer. Porter's minimal threshold is 10 sacks for 2016, after 2 games he should have 1.25 sacks. He has none. In 3 years he has 5 sacks, 1.66 per year. To achieve Porter's threshold Jones would have to increase his production 600%. What did he do off season to enable himself to improve 600%? Strength? Speed?


Per SB Nation:
Jarvis Jones finally put his skills on display for NFL scouts Thursday at Georgia's pro day workout in Athens. While Jones seemed pleased with his performance, those watching didn't exactly feel as strongly about his numbers. Jones stumbled during his first run in the 40-yard dash, and some reporters believed he tweaked his hamstring in the process. He kept going, though, posting a 4.85 in his second attempt, according to Chip Towers of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Towers also noted Jones fell again during the linebackers' pass skeleton drill. NFL Network's Mike Mayock was critical of Jones' day after personally clocking the linebacker in the 4.9 range during his 40. Mayock said the time was a "red flag," saying other coaches and scouts thought he was slower than expected.

Hard Cold Facts; Jones failed his audition and we were stupid enough to still draft him #1. It's reasonable to believe that Huey Richardson could have done exactly what Jones is doing if given the opportunity.

Chickillo should be starting over him, getting as many reps as possible. Jones couldn't even be demoted to ST's, too slow.

[bradshaw2ben]

stumbled and fell down is a pretty good preview of his NFL career

he is the Kendall Simmons of OLBs

[Legacy User]

Look we all know by now, steelers made a desperate reach for Jarvis. But the reason for that was their pass rush had fallen off a cliff in the couple seasons leading up to that draft.

Maybe he'll save his best for the pats and clock Brady a good one.

[Legacy User]

As Perch pointed out, he has done what he's been asked to do...stop the run and cover.

He's not been half bad doing that.

They haven't asked him to rush the QB all that much.

Probably because he can't.

How do you guys know whats hes been asked to do? I can pretty much guarantee 1 thing, he wasn't drafted as high as he was to stop the run and drop into coverage. Job #1 for him, is to get to the QB, and he sucks at that.

[K_C_]

As Perch pointed out, he has done what he's been asked to do...stop the run and cover.

He's not been half bad doing that.

They haven't asked him to rush the QB all that much.

Probably because he can't.

How do you guys know whats hes been asked to do? I can pretty much guarantee 1 thing, he wasn't drafted as high as he was to stop the run and drop into coverage. Job #1 for him, is to get to the QB, and he sucks at that.

Never, ever in my life have I seen a less effective and explosive OLB.

Ever.

[tunch]

He just isn't an NFL athlete.

He's Michael Sam.

[jeemie]

How do you guys know whats hes been asked to do? I can pretty much guarantee 1 thing, he wasn't drafted as high as he was to stop the run and drop into coverage. Job #1 for him, is to get to the QB, and he sucks at that.

Because I can watch games and see with my eyes that he hasn't been rushing the QB all that much.

I'm not saying that means we should re-sign him, except as depth.

I agree he's failed miserably at what we want an OLB to be able to do.

[Old School Steeler]

His ceiling is Larry Foote

He's not as good as Larry Foote. He's Alonzo Jackson.

Not fair to Foote. At least LF could meet a RB in the hole and smack him as hard as he could. Some of those hits were big plays that energized the entire D. LF had 21 sacks as a Steeler and 3 picks. Averaged 1.9 sacks year from middle, ahead of Jones meager 1.66 from rush position. LF averaged 56 tackles year, 61 if you discard 2013 when he played one game. Jones averages 32 and has 1 pick. Jones stats say pure bust. Also recall that one of his mighty 5 career sacks was an accident, he was getting pushed around and collided with the QB.

[bradshaw2ben]

Because I can watch games and see with my eyes that he hasn't been rushing the QB all that much.

Jeemie! I broke it down for you! Other than the 2 min offense where they were only rushing 3, he almost always rushes. And gets nowhere.

[Legacy User]

Because I can watch games and see with my eyes that he hasn't been rushing the QB all that much.

Jeemie! I broke it down for you! Other than the 2 min offense where they were only rushing 3, he almost always rushes. And gets nowhere.

yup and a fantastic detailed charting it was B2B. The notion that's out there, and Jemmie aint the first or only one to mention it, that Jervis aint ruishing the passer all that much is by and large a bunch of BS.

[V DUB]

Because I can watch games and see with my eyes that he hasn't been rushing the QB all that much.

Jeemie! I broke it down for you! Other than the 2 min offense where they were only rushing 3, he almost always rushes. And gets nowhere.

Is this at all surprising when he's one of only 4 rushing? He's getting swallowed, just like every other member of the D trying to pressure the QB.

[Ice]

His ceiling is Larry Foote

He's not as good as Larry Foote. He's Alonzo Jackson.

The physical similarities are there. Neither had the quick twitch, base or frame to play 34 OLB. I remember thinking the same thing about both when training camp pics came out. "This guy doesn't even LOOK like he can play that position."

[Legacy User]

They're going with the George Clooney theory of acting but with outside linebackers. That is, no matter how bad they suck, after about ten seasons and enough reps, they will develop competent skills.

It was about 11 years between Return of the Killer Tomatoes and Three Kings, his first decent performance. At this rate Jervis should be a decent OLB by about 2023.

Except actors don't get hurt and slow.

[bradshaw2ben]

Because I can watch games and see with my eyes that he hasn't been rushing the QB all that much.

Jeemie! I broke it down for you! Other than the 2 min offense where they were only rushing 3, he almost always rushes. And gets nowhere.

Is this at all surprising when he's one of only 4 rushing? He's getting swallowed, just like every other member of the D trying to pressure the QB.

no, it isn't so surprising that they're all getting swallowed but the notion that he isn;t rushing that much is way off base.

Additionally, and this is opinion analysis from me: he is the worst of the four edge rushers we have been putting out there. Chickillo threatens the edge on occasion, Deebo's get off is still there, Moats creates some power to speed. Jarvis is where he's supposed to be most of the time.