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2 (Steelers)
4 (Phins or Tits via Phins)
4 (Steelers)
5 (Jags)
6 (Steelers)
7 (Steelers)

* Possible 3rd Comp for Bell if Moncrief is cut before week 10

That’s 7 possible draft picks for a team with 7 pressing needs:

1. WR - Big play WR with good hands and ball security, somebody opponents have to fear replace Washington & Moncrief
2. OLB - to replace Dupree if lost in FA
3. NT- to replace Hargrave if lost in FA
4. TE - to replace Vannett if lost in FA
5. RB - that doesn’t fumble and has some elusiveness / breakaway speed
6. S - a third competent Safety to replace Davis if lost in FA
7. A high-round underachieving draft pick everyone hates to replace Dupree, Burns, and Davis

WR is the biggest concern. It’s hard to rely on a rookie WR to step in and be a main threat for the offense, especially when you have no 1st round pick. Re-signing Dupree and Vannett fills a lot of holes, same with Hargrave but I think he leaves. Ideal offseason would be for AB to find Jesus, repent, get mental help, and come back to Pittsburgh. There just isn’t going to be a WR the caliber they need available otherwise. Re-sign Dupree, Vannett, and Hargrave. Trade Tomlin to the Redskins for 1st and 2nd round pick. Spend those picks on some weapons and BPA.

Trade Tomlin to the Redskins for 1st and 2nd round pick. Spend those picks on some weapons and BPA.

Yes...

I think that's an interchangeable scenario there Perch. WR is a need but I believe TE is the bigger need going forward. McDonald is a good TE but is an injury away from out for the entire season. They don't fully know what they have in Gentry who is still just a rookie. Vannett is very likely to walk after this season. They need a 'splash' play making TE. I think that would cover the wide-receiving issue as well and they could wait til their usual 3rd or so round pick to draft an undervalued stud as they've surprisingly been able to do for several drafts.

I think they're trying Washington in a role that he isn't amply skilled for. Washington has that slot WR look (IMO) with the added ability to break up field for a long pass (RAC) every now and again. Washington isn't a defense stretching skilled WR ala-Wallace/Bryant.

If I'm GM I look to start the process to replace guys on the OLine and RB takes a higher priority even with Samuels on the roster. Even though this unit is tight and plays well together; Pouncey/Foster both long in the tooth and Conner is unable to change the run game dynamic in addition to being injury prone.

I agree with the Hargrave scenario too...

For me:
TE
RB
OLine/WR
DLine/S
EDGE/BPA
BPA

It’s the whole offense after years of D picks ... basically another 1 on Myrna minkoff

They need a proper RB, #1WR, TE and new QB and soon will need OL again

IMO the offense is a shambles with out Ben, bell, brown and proper TE. Right now it is poor. Wish we had something better from the D after years of top picks. By the time they redo the O the D will be losIng players ....

They are “in a tight spot”

If the skins would really give up a 1 for Tomlin they should run to the podium

Maybe with Ben for one more year they can make a run but IMHO they still need quality RB, WR and TE

I know there are some guys on this site who I respect who like the Fitzpatrick trade but I fucking hated it, in this context only.

How in the fuck can you make a quick decision to trade your #1 draft pick AFTER your 37 year old franchise QB goes down? And having an unproven, 3rd round draft pick QB and a free agent QB to replace him.

Add to the point that you have had several strong teams over the last 10 years that were desperate for a #1 CB or 1 missing player who may have put you over the top and you say on your fat affable ass and then make a quick move like the above?

I don’t get it. This team makes no sense. Art2 is a massive lop of shit.

Here's what I hope happens that I think is realistic:

- Mason plays well enough to get a 3 and 5 in a trade
- Hargrave and DuPree are re-signed
- Cut Moncrief before the 10th game and get 3rd rd comp for Bell.
If that happens the Steelers draft needs and draft look like this:

WR - BY FAR the top need on the roster. The Steelers have low HIG factor JuJu and ARE-esque Johnson and not much else. JuJu and Johnson havent really shown the ability to positively impact games without another legit impact WR on the field. To put it simply the MUST draft a great WR in this draft.
SS - Edmunds is very replaceable.
TE - If the Steeler re-sign Vannett to play behind McD and Hargrave and DuPree walk I will be pissed.
RB - Snell will get his chance to prove he belongs while Samuels is out. If he doesnt cut it the Steelers need another RB
Depth - everywhere else

That would put the draft looking like:
2 (Steelers)
4 (Phins or Tits via Phins)
4 (Steelers)
5 (Jags)
6 (Steelers)
7 (Steelers)
+ 3rd Rd Comp for Bell and 3 and 5 for Mason

Being an optimist I will say the Steelers draft at 25 losing in the divisional round.
The Steelers 2nd and the two 3rds could get them in the 20s for a WR.
The two 4ths could get them into the 3rd for a starting quality SS.

They would have 5 5 6 7 and UDFA's left to address depth elsewhere. Hodges at backup QB very cheap for a few years and Paxton as 3rd QB/rooney ball washer

Suwanee88 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:22 pm

Add to the point that you have had several strong teams over the last 10 years that were desperate for a #1 CB or 1 missing player who may have put you over the top and you sat on your fat affable ass and then make a quick move like the above?

I don’t get it. This team makes no sense. Art2 is a massive lop of shit.

I like Fitzpatrick and the trade alot given the horrible 1st rd drafting this team has executed for over a decade now. That said I do share some of the above sentiment

Lots of bullshit on this thread guys,

We can cut Barron, Moncreif (this year), Alualu, McDonald (injury prone), and have more than enough cap space to keep Dupree, Hargrave, Davis, Hilton, Burns, and Vannett.

These WRs are getting beat up for no reason.

Juju - accomplished more in the NFL before turning 23 than anyone but Moss.
D Johnson - looks smooth like a Santonio Holmes type. I think we did well here. Take it easy on this kid. 5 games in.
Washington- I dont understand how we can come down so viciously on a kid who has had so few opportunities and who has definitely flashed potential more than a few times. I think he will be fine.

This is a trio that needs time. Could we use another young prospect? sure. Maybe a vet not named Monqueef? Probably. Do we need to go crazy? I dont think so.

If we can keep the main free agents, all we really need is:

TE - Replace McDonald with a difference maker. Can be done with a 2nd rounder.
WR - one more prospect for depth. 3rd round comp pick will be fine.
OL/DL depth - need to bolster these with several picks
RB - one more prospect in the 6th/7th.

Don't believe me??
DL - we have Heyward, Tuitt, Hargrave, Buggs, McCullers as core guys. One more to groom for Heyward's twilight.
EDGE - Watt, Dupree, Ola. Very set.
ILB - Bush, Vwill, Gilbert, mayyyybe Shazier comeback??
CB - Nelson, Haden, Sutton, Hilton, Burns, Layne - good mix of vets, depth, and developmental prospects
S - Minkah, Edmunds, Davis, Kelly - set here for years

QB - Ben, Rudolph, Hodges - vets and young guys. set
RB - Conner, Samuels, Snell- set for a few years. gotta draft one every year.
WR - Juju, DJ, Wash - Need to add a guy, but the core is there.
TE - Vannett, Gentry - this is the position that needs help
IOL - Pouncey, DeCastro, Finney - need another one in the pipe
T - AV, Feiler, Okafor - need another one in the pipe

LOLOLZ !!!

Raise your hand if you want JuJu DJ and Washington as your core WR group for the next couple of years ????

Safety in the NFL is 2 entirely different positions. FS and SS are not alike.

Raise your hand if you think Edmunds is a quality or even good enough SS in the NFL ?????

Sorry. WR is HUGE need for this team followed closely by SS

Edit:

Shazier comeback ???? No ...just no. Wont happen. Ever. Sad but true

They should step outside character and see if Dupree or Hargrave will sign an extension. If not then trade them before the deadline. You could probably get 4th round picks for them.

Cut Moncrief and get 1 or 2 more 4th rounders and all of a sudden you have 5 or 6 picks in the first 4 rounds.

This team has 5 or so high priority needs. They’re not able to fill those needs as it currently stands (a lot can change though).

SteelerDayTrader wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:16 pm

LOLOLZ !!!

Raise your hand if you want JuJu DJ and Washington as your core WR group for the next couple of years ????

Safety in the NFL is 2 entirely different positions. FS and SS are not alike.

Raise your hand if you think Edmunds is a quality or even good enough SS in the NFL ?????

Sorry. WR is HUGE need for this team followed closely by SS

Edit:

Shazier comeback ???? No ...just no. Wont happen. Ever. Sad but true

Again, why the hate for those three WRs? They have had ZERO time to prove themselves. They could make a fine core.

How many receiving touchdowns did Antonio Brown have his first year? Yards? That was with the HOF starter in place. Johnson has looked good. I'm willing to reserve judgment a little longer on Washington. I think there's talent there.

"Juju isn't a number one" folks should probably slow down a few miles per hour. His only game with Ben this year was against a Patriots defense that has been, I think we can agree, pretty decent against all comers this season. The rest of the season? Well, we've all seen those game plans.

I think there's way too many other variables at play to properly evaluate that young core, other than the advanced stats that indicate they are getting open, which points positive.

If there's a really nice looking move TE prospect available with our high pick, and Hargrave and Dupree have been sorted, I'd be interested.

I’d like: resign Hargraves, Vannett

2.OLB replace Dupree
3.comp for Bell (cut Moncrief) WR
4a. DE
4b.CB
5.ILB
6.FS
7.WR

2021
1.OC
2.RB
3.LT
4.TE
5.SS
6.OLB
7.OG
Sign top ILB in free agency

1. FS Minkah Fitzpatrick (former 1st rounder 2018, 11th overall, Steelers have his rights, 5th year option, so he is in the fold all the way through 2022. The contract is incredibly inexpensive to boot, Miami on the hook for his signing bonus, we 'merely' have to pay him some $5.5 million from 2019-2021 and then the 5th year option will be expensive but he will be given an extension before that I am sure. This was grand larceny on the Steelers part, Fitz is an all time steal, and has the look of being our next great Pro Bowl safety.)

2. The one thing that people are glossing over is that okay, say the Steelers do go 4-12 this season, that they do finish in the top 5 of each round, yeah, so this second round pick is not going to be THAT much lower than our usual 1st rounders. TJ Watt was what, the 30th overall pick as a first rounder?? And if the Steelers were picking 5th overall, that second round pick would be the 37th overall??? Even in the worst case scenario the Steelers will end up with a really, really good player with the 2nd pick.

I can think of, in recent drafts, linebackers like Myles Jack, Jaylin Smith, Darius Leonard all being taken in the early part of the 2nd round. Nick Chubbs was taken early in round 2.

3. I was one of those that was saying we may not necessarily get that 3rd round comp pick for Bell back when I wanted to trade him years ago. Now that appears to be a real possibility. Hopefully, they find some way to get this comp pick, but it would not surprise me to see them take some moral stand and say no we are not going to cut Moncrief.

4.

4.

5. TE Nick Vannett. I think he will resign with us, the Steelers will get it done and we will have a nice one two punch with McDonald and Vannett. He looks to be a fine #2, a much better blocker than Jesse James and he looks like he could be a good option in the passing game too. He was a former 3rd rounder so for us to get him with a 5th rounder is fine by me and a good move.

The 49ers spent a 2nd round pick on McDonald, the Seahawks spent a 3rd round pick on Vannett. We traded for both and all we did was move down 19 spots with the 49ers for McDonald, we gave them our 4th round pick they in turn gave us their 5th round pick, and we gave Seattle our 5th round pick. Sorry but that is some brilliant trading right there, kudos to Colbert.

6.
7.

Here’s what I would do....

Seems like Snyder really wants Tomlin, so I would ass rape him, trade the Skins Tomlin for their next 2 first round picks and second round picks, which would kill 2 birds 1 stone so to speak. Go ahead and cut Moncrief and trade either Mason or Duck, that should give us more than enough draft capital for the new coach/gm combo to put us in contention for years to come!

WR is definitely at the top of the list as the roster stands today.

They desperately need someone with deep speed and the ability to dictate coverage.

I'd say they could also use a better RB, but in reality the running game is suffering in large part to the lacking at WR.

Steelperch wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:28 pm

That’s 7 possible draft picks for a team with 7 pressing needs:

1. WR - Big play WR with good hands and ball security, somebody opponents have to fear replace Washington & Moncrief
2. OLB - to replace Dupree if lost in FA
3. NT- to replace Hargrave if lost in FA
4. TE - to replace Vannett if lost in FA
5. RB - that doesn’t fumble and has some elusiveness / breakaway speed
6. S - a third competent Safety to replace Davis if lost in FA
7. A high-round underachieving draft pick everyone hates to replace Dupree, Burns, and Davis

WR is the biggest concern. It’s hard to rely on a rookie WR to step in and be a main threat for the offense, especially when you have no 1st round pick. Re-signing Dupree and Vannett fills a lot of holes, same with Hargrave but I think he leaves. Ideal offseason would be for AB to find Jesus, repent, get mental help, and come back to Pittsburgh. There just isn’t going to be a WR the caliber they need available otherwise. Re-sign Dupree, Vannett, and Hargrave. Trade Tomlin to the Redskins for 1st and 2nd round pick. Spend those picks on some weapons and BPA.

Never agreed with perch so much as with his commentary on antonio brown. Maybe hes joking; I'm not.

And if that happens, all you asshats rooting for bankruptcy and debilitating injury for this guy, you know who you are, would be kissing his ass in a heartbeat.

swissvale72 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:13 pm

Steelperch wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:28 pm

That’s 7 possible draft picks for a team with 7 pressing needs:

1. WR - Big play WR with good hands and ball security, somebody opponents have to fear replace Washington & Moncrief
2. OLB - to replace Dupree if lost in FA
3. NT- to replace Hargrave if lost in FA
4. TE - to replace Vannett if lost in FA
5. RB - that doesn’t fumble and has some elusiveness / breakaway speed
6. S - a third competent Safety to replace Davis if lost in FA
7. A high-round underachieving draft pick everyone hates to replace Dupree, Burns, and Davis

WR is the biggest concern. It’s hard to rely on a rookie WR to step in and be a main threat for the offense, especially when you have no 1st round pick. Re-signing Dupree and Vannett fills a lot of holes, same with Hargrave but I think he leaves. Ideal offseason would be for AB to find Jesus, repent, get mental help, and come back to Pittsburgh. There just isn’t going to be a WR the caliber they need available otherwise. Re-sign Dupree, Vannett, and Hargrave. Trade Tomlin to the Redskins for 1st and 2nd round pick. Spend those picks on some weapons and BPA.

Never agreed with perch so much as with his commentary on antonio brown. Maybe hes joking; I'm not.

And if that happens, all you asshats rooting for bankruptcy and debilitating injury for this guy, you know who you are, would be kissing his ass in a heartbeat.

Swiss, why did the Patriots let AB go?

I don't get it. Tomlin ain't goin nowhere. I don't know why people actually think it's a possibility. But I guess dreaming is ok.

I also think people are a bit down on moncrief unnecessarily. Sure, he fucked up, but we don't know what his situation is. He didn't have a history of drops earlier in his career. I don't think he's been infected with the yips. If it's mental and he's an asshole, then eject immediately.

Put me in the camp that acquiring fitz was an outstanding move.

CORE-TEN wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:27 pm

I don't get it. Tomlin ain't goin nowhere. I don't know why people actually think it's a possibility. But I guess dreaming is ok.

I also think people are a bit down on moncrief unnecessarily. Sure, he fucked up, but we don't know what his situation is. He didn't have a history of drops earlier in his career. I don't think he's been infected with the yips. If it's mental and he's an asshole, then eject immediately.

Put me in the camp that acquiring fitz was an outstanding move.

Moncrief has had a finger injury which I HOPE is the reason for his sucking early, and I HOPE as his finger heals he'll turn back into a good receiver again.

CORE-TEN wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:27 pm

Put me in the camp that acquiring fitz was an outstanding move.

Yep. If Fitzpatrick was in the 2020 draft and the Steelers drafted him in the top 15, everyone would be ecstatic. That’s the way I’m looking at it.

And see...there is something we agree on...

It was a joke, Swiss. Let it go. The Steelers, Patriots and Raiders would rather watch TV in his living room after dark than jump back onto that broken roller coaster again. I thought you were a few steps closer on your road to AB recovery than this. Oh, well, call your sponsor and head back to step one.

Jobu wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:41 pm

CORE-TEN wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:27 pm

Put me in the camp that acquiring fitz was an outstanding move.

Yep. If Fitzpatrick was in the 2020 draft and the Steelers drafted him in the top 15, everyone would be ecstatic. That’s the way I’m looking at it.

And see...there is something we agree on...

HA!! Cheers!!

*clink*

Not giving up on Washington by a long shot and I'm sure the Steelers won't either.

We definitely could use another impact WR, but Washington simply needs more opportunities.

Zero doubt he's part of the solution, not part of the problem.

SteelerDayTrader wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:16 pm

LOLOLZ !!!

Raise your hand if you want JuJu DJ and Washington as your core WR group for the next couple of years ????

Safety in the NFL is 2 entirely different positions. FS and SS are not alike.

Raise your hand if you think Edmunds is a quality or even good enough SS in the NFL ?????

Sorry. WR is HUGE need for this team followed closely by SS

Edit:

Shazier comeback ???? No ...just no. Wont happen. Ever. Sad but true

Agreed.

Steelers skill group (WR/TE/RB) is bottom 8-10 in the NFL. WR is a huge need, TE is a need, and I have concerns about our RB group. Where are the guys who scare you? The playmakers? Our run of hitting on WRs will end at some point, and may have ended with Washington/Johnson. We'll see. Washington looks like a JAG, and it would be rare for a WR as small as Johnson with hands as bad as he has to be very successful.

Edmunds is a JAG on his best day. I'd move on soon.

Suwanee88 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:22 pm

I know there are some guys on this site who I respect who like the Fitzpatrick trade but I fucking hated it, in this context only.

How in the fuck can you make a quick decision to trade your #1 draft pick AFTER your 37 year old franchise QB goes down? And having an unproven, 3rd round draft pick QB and a free agent QB to replace him.

Add to the point that you have had several strong teams over the last 10 years that were desperate for a #1 CB or 1 missing player who may have put you over the top and you say on your fat affable ass and then make a quick move like the above?

I don’t get it. This team makes no sense. Art2 is a massive lop of shit.

Pretty much where I am with this. I like Fitzpatrick as a player and also like the team being aggressive and willing to make a move.

However, doing this move now, under these circumstances, wreaks of desperation to avoid a losing season. Begs the question as to where have these moves been when we might have been but a player away???

I want a staff & owner willing to go all in to win a championship. Not to accomplish 8-8.

If you are going to break the mold, do it for the right reasons. Not to go 8-8 instead of 5-11

Now all this changes if we happen to get an offer from Wash for Tomlin and they take it.

Ice wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:00 pm

It was a joke, Swiss. Let it go. The Steelers, Patriots and Raiders would rather watch TV in his living room after dark than jump back onto that broken roller coaster again. I thought you were a few steps closer on your road to AB recovery than this. Oh, well, call your sponsor and head back to step one.

Ones in need of help are all you overly angry fucks that follow his every move, post about him incessantly.

swissvale72 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:04 am

Ice wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:00 pm

It was a joke, Swiss. Let it go. The Steelers, Patriots and Raiders would rather watch TV in his living room after dark than jump back onto that broken roller coaster again. I thought you were a few steps closer on your road to AB recovery than this. Oh, well, call your sponsor and head back to step one.

Ones in need of help are all you overly angry fucks that follow his every move, post about him incessantly.

I still predict MC Hammer Jr will be broke and homeless not long after his career is over....and it might be over now.

I'm sure more rapes and weirdness will surface.

955876 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:41 pm

Suwanee88 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:22 pm

I know there are some guys on this site who I respect who like the Fitzpatrick trade but I fucking hated it, in this context only.

How in the fuck can you make a quick decision to trade your #1 draft pick AFTER your 37 year old franchise QB goes down? And having an unproven, 3rd round draft pick QB and a free agent QB to replace him.

Add to the point that you have had several strong teams over the last 10 years that were desperate for a #1 CB or 1 missing player who may have put you over the top and you say on your fat affable ass and then make a quick move like the above?

I don’t get it. This team makes no sense. Art2 is a massive lop of shit.

Pretty much where I am with this. I like Fitzpatrick as a player and also like the team being aggressive and willing to make a move.

However, doing this move now, under these circumstances, wreaks of desperation to avoid a losing season. Begs the question as to where have these moves been when we might have been but a player away???

I want a staff & owner willing to go all in to win a championship. Not to accomplish 8-8.

If you are going to break the mold, do it for the right reasons. Not to go 8-8 instead of 5-11

Now all this changes if we happen to get an offer from Wash for Tomlin and they take it.

You know, we get to keep Fitz beyond this year. He'll be a good player for us next year when Ben is back and we're back to challenging for the super bowl.