Talking heads analysis

[swissvale72]

Lot of bitching on ESPN this morning about the first OPI call, particularly where JPJ seem to force the receiver into Dugger. One of the other guys pointed out, though that it was absolutely Detroit's intention to run a pic. My response, is that it wasn't unlike the OPI call on Mount Washington, which took away a Steelers touchdown earlier

[Texas Black & Gold]

They should implement an NBA style rule about picks.

[swissvale72]

FWIW.....orlovsky is labeling yesterday's win as the most impressive win by team this season

[SteelPro]

The problem with PI is how arbitrarily and inconsistently it’s called. This foul on The Lions, the OPI called against Darnell earlier and even the DPI called on 4th and 2 against the Steelers that prolonged the game are all plays that we see frequently that often don’t get called. And then we see stuff like on the Sunday night game where a Receiver gets flat out tackled before the ball is anyone near him and it doesn’t get called. The Zebras have far too much influence on every game. It’s so frustrating as a fan, yet I think the league likes it because they love how much the controversy stokes even more discussion about the sport.

[swissvale72]

Yeah, that non-calll against the ravens last night was total bullshit

[swissvale72]

Interesting start from last night… Goff was four for 12 against the Steelers blitz and was sacked twice. Steelers reduced their blitz percentage from 36% of 20% late and golf at much more success. What a surprise.

[alancac98]

I loved how the db on the Darnell OPI had a handful of jersey from nearly two feet away, but not one ref saw a thing there. At most it should have been a replay of the down due to offsetting penalties. Even the announcers never mentioned it - all bullcrap!!!

[rooneytunes]

Forgot about the Darnell OPI that took away td from us.

I'm sure Lions fans forgot about it too

[Steelafan77]

The problem with PI is how arbitrarily and inconsistently it’s called. This foul on The Lions, the OPI called against Darnell earlier and even the DPI called on 4th and 2 against the Steelers that prolonged the game are all plays that we see frequently that often don’t get called. And then we see stuff like on the Sunday night game where a Receiver gets flat out tackled before the ball is anyone near him and it doesn’t get called. The Zebras have far too much influence on every game. It’s so frustrating as a fan, yet I think the league likes it because they love how much the controversy stokes even more discussion about the sport.

[Louis Lipps Service]

They need to expand the real-time booth reviews to include penalties.

I personally believe these things happen way too fast for on-field refs to be able to accurately rule on them.

Every game should have a full team of booth refs with a person assigned to watch a certain area on every play (person for lineman, person for QB, one for secondary, etc). And if one of those guys sees something questionable, it’s quickly reviewed and buzzed down to the on field refs to be called.

On field guys can still call penalties, mostly to try and head off teams rushing to the line of scrimmage to beat the booth review. But the on field calls are still subject to booth review, which can overturn the flag.

[LakecrestSteeler]

They should implement an NBA style rule about picks.

The one against Darnell is exactly how most refs call a pick in basketball, when a big guy sets one on a little guy.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Lot of bitching on ESPN this morning about the first OPI call, particularly where JPJ seem to force the receiver into Dugger. One of the other guys pointed out, though that it was absolutely Detroit's intention to run a pic. My response, is that it wasn't unlike the OPI call on Mount Washington, which took away a Steelers touchdown earlier

And don't forget the OPI on DK, which was exactly like the one called on #14 to end the game. I actually thought DK's was inside the first 5 yards and it was contact allowed. You are allowed to stiff arm as WR in the first 5 yards, but you are not allowed to shove...that makes it a very subjective call! 14's was well beyond 5 yards as they started around the 10 yard line, and his was clearly a shove.

[Deebo]

FWIW.....orlovsky is labeling yesterday's win as the most impressive win by team this season

Well it was.

Probably the most complete game of the year by the Steelers.
They won without needing a bazillion turnovers, which is encouraging.

Never would have guessed we would have shut down Det's running game. That was the difference. Goff is gonna get his yards with his talented group of pass catchers, but they way they removed their running game was very impressive.

BUT...I won't get suckered in AGAIN.

[swissvale72]

FWIW.....orlovsky is labeling yesterday's win as the most impressive win by team this season

Well it was.

Probably the most complete game of the year by the Steelers.
They won without needing a bazillion turnovers, which is encouraging.

Never would have guessed we would have shut down Det's running game. That was the difference. Goff is gonna get his yards with his talented group of pass catchers, but they way they removed their running game was very impressive.

BUT...I won't get suckered in AGAIN.

Yeah… He meant most impressive win by ANY team in this season. As far as the Detroit rushing, their lack thereof meant they couldn't go to their usually highly effective play action. And keep in mind theyvhad one rush for 17 yards so they had minus yardage the rest of the game. You younger asshats wont remember this But number zero, Gibbs, stat line 7 carries for 2 yards was exactly that of Sayers against the Steelers in the 1967 opener.

[Deebo]

FWIW.....orlovsky is labeling yesterday's win as the most impressive win by team this season

Well it was.

Probably the most complete game of the year by the Steelers.
They won without needing a bazillion turnovers, which is encouraging.

Never would have guessed we would have shut down Det's running game. That was the difference. Goff is gonna get his yards with his talented group of pass catchers, but they way they removed their running game was very impressive.

BUT...I won't get suckered in AGAIN.

Yeah… He meant most impressive win by ANY team in this season. As far as the Detroit rushing, their lack thereof meant they couldn't go to their usually highly effective play action. And keep in mind theyvhad one rush for 17 yards so they had minus yardage the rest of the game. You younger asshats wont remember this But number zero, Gibbs, stat line 7 carries for 2 yards was exactly that of Sayers against the Steelers in the 1967 opener.

Oh well I want whatever Dan O is smoking.
Best performance by ANY team? C'mon.

The Lions aren't going to even make the playoffs.

[swissvale72]

Cam Newton on Steelers making "deep playoff run"

"You can't take no jackasses to the Kentucky Derby and think they're gonna win." Lol

[TTP]

Penalties in general are ruining the game for me. Every time the Steelers make a big play, the first thing I am looking for are flags. Sometimes, I don't even see the end of the play (e.g., Warren TD runs) because I am looking at the screen for the flag icon to popup. Then, half the time the call is wrong or at least inconsistent. It's very frustrating as a fan. PI and illegal contact on D, holding on O are just so inconsistently called and enforced.

Don't even get me started on "what is a catch?"

[swissvale72]

Penalties in general are ruining the game for me. Every time the Steelers make a big play, the first thing I am looking for are flags. Sometimes, I don't even see the end of the play (e.g., Warren TD runs) because I am looking at the screen for the flag icon to popup. Then, half the time the call is wrong or at least inconsistent. It's very frustrating as a fan. PI and illegal contact on D, holding on O are just so inconsistently called and enforced.

Don't even get me started on "what is a catch?"

Agree....wayyy over penalized. Agree with you completely on how it stifles spontaneity as fans

[gojira5150]

FWIW.....orlovsky is labeling yesterday's win as the most impressive win by team this season

Well it was.

Probably the most complete game of the year by the Steelers.
They won without needing a bazillion turnovers, which is encouraging.

Never would have guessed we would have shut down Det's running game. That was the difference. Goff is gonna get his yards with his talented group of pass catchers, but they way they removed their running game was very impressive.

BUT...I won't get suckered in AGAIN.

Yeah… He meant most impressive win by ANY team in this season. As far as the Detroit rushing, their lack thereof meant they couldn't go to their usually highly effective play action. And keep in mind theyvhad one rush for 17 yards so they had minus yardage the rest of the game. You younger asshats wont remember this But number zero, Gibbs, stat line 7 carries for 2 yards was exactly that of Sayers against the Steelers in the 1967 opener.

Damn Bro, how old are you I was born in '67. You have one heck of a memory.

[anpsteel]

They need to expand the real-time booth reviews to include penalties.

I personally believe these things happen way too fast for on-field refs to be able to accurately rule on them.

Every game should have a full team of booth refs with a person assigned to watch a certain area on every play (person for lineman, person for QB, one for secondary, etc). And if one of those guys sees something questionable, it’s quickly reviewed and buzzed down to the on field refs to be called.

On field guys can still call penalties, mostly to try and head off teams rushing to the line of scrimmage to beat the booth review. But the on field calls are still subject to booth review, which can overturn the flag.

That won't happen

-they tried it and the booth wouldn't overturn the onfield officials- irrespective of how bad the call was
-penalties are how the control they game and allow for the plausible deniability aspect
-the booth review process is now fully handled by one individual, in NY. So there are local review officials, but they only engage if NY is undecided. Previously, it was a "crew" in NY, now it's just one person. I'm assuming that there are multiple individuals in NY assigned to a select number of games, but it's no longer a team of people at HQ discussing each review. (I'll look into how many individuals they have assigned in NY)

[anpsteel]

FWIW.....orlovsky is labeling yesterday's win as the most impressive win by team this season

Well it was.

Probably the most complete game of the year by the Steelers.
They won without needing a bazillion turnovers, which is encouraging.

Never would have guessed we would have shut down Det's running game. That was the difference. Goff is gonna get his yards with his talented group of pass catchers, but they way they removed their running game was very impressive.

BUT...I won't get suckered in AGAIN.

Yeah… He meant most impressive win by ANY team in this season. As far as the Detroit rushing, their lack thereof meant they couldn't go to their usually highly effective play action. And keep in mind theyvhad one rush for 17 yards so they had minus yardage the rest of the game. You younger asshats wont remember this But number zero, Gibbs, stat line 7 carries for 2 yards was exactly that of Sayers against the Steelers in the 1967 opener.

I have never seen Gale Sayers play in real time- (that I have memory of) - but I'm convinced, without the injuries, he's the best runner, all time.

[swissvale72]

Well it was.

Probably the most complete game of the year by the Steelers.
They won without needing a bazillion turnovers, which is encouraging.

Never would have guessed we would have shut down Det's running game. That was the difference. Goff is gonna get his yards with his talented group of pass catchers, but they way they removed their running game was very impressive.

BUT...I won't get suckered in AGAIN.

Yeah… He meant most impressive win by ANY team in this season. As far as the Detroit rushing, their lack thereof meant they couldn't go to their usually highly effective play action. And keep in mind theyvhad one rush for 17 yards so they had minus yardage the rest of the game. You younger asshats wont remember this But number zero, Gibbs, stat line 7 carries for 2 yards was exactly that of Sayers against the Steelers in the 1967 opener.

Damn Bro, how old are you I was born in '67. You have one heck of a memory.

I'm 70, lol.... and yes, I catalog my life by Steeler football lol. I was at that game. Sayers took the opening kickoff back for a touchdown and then was held in check for the rest of the day. Steelers one 4113. It was the opener.

[anpsteel]

Well it was.

Probably the most complete game of the year by the Steelers.
They won without needing a bazillion turnovers, which is encouraging.

Never would have guessed we would have shut down Det's running game. That was the difference. Goff is gonna get his yards with his talented group of pass catchers, but they way they removed their running game was very impressive.

BUT...I won't get suckered in AGAIN.

Yeah… He meant most impressive win by ANY team in this season. As far as the Detroit rushing, their lack thereof meant they couldn't go to their usually highly effective play action. And keep in mind theyvhad one rush for 17 yards so they had minus yardage the rest of the game. You younger asshats wont remember this But number zero, Gibbs, stat line 7 carries for 2 yards was exactly that of Sayers against the Steelers in the 1967 opener.

Oh well I want whatever Dan O is smoking.
Best performance by ANY team? C'mon.

The Lions aren't going to even make the playoffs.

More and more, the nfl feels like the old WWF. The sports shows really feel like they drive a narrative.

[955876]

Interesting start from last night… Goff was four for 12 against the Steelers blitz and was sacked twice. Steelers reduced their blitz percentage from 36% of 20% late and golf at much more success. What a surprise.

Not sure why they had Cam Heyward dropping back into coverage on that last play either. Weird.

Seems like a recipe for disaster.

[anpsteel]

Interesting start from last night… Goff was four for 12 against the Steelers blitz and was sacked twice. Steelers reduced their blitz percentage from 36% of 20% late and golf at much more success. What a surprise.

Not sure why they had Cam Heyward dropping back into coverage on that last play either. Weird.

Seems like a recipe for disaster.

Last game there were plays where Benton was dropping into zone

I was all.... what??

[swissvale72]

Interesting start from last night… Goff was four for 12 against the Steelers blitz and was sacked twice. Steelers reduced their blitz percentage from 36% of 20% late and golf at much more success. What a surprise.

Not sure why they had Cam Heyward dropping back into coverage on that last play either. Weird.

Seems like a recipe for disaster.

Rushed TWO guys

[gojira5150]

Yeah… He meant most impressive win by ANY team in this season. As far as the Detroit rushing, their lack thereof meant they couldn't go to their usually highly effective play action. And keep in mind theyvhad one rush for 17 yards so they had minus yardage the rest of the game. You younger asshats wont remember this But number zero, Gibbs, stat line 7 carries for 2 yards was exactly that of Sayers against the Steelers in the 1967 opener.

Damn Bro, how old are you I was born in '67. You have one heck of a memory.

I'm 70, lol.... and yes, I catalog my life by Steeler football lol. I was at that game. Sayers took the opening kickoff back for a touchdown and then was held in check for the rest of the day. Steelers one 4113. It was the opener.

That had to be Awesome seeing Gale in person.

[Deebo]

Interesting start from last night… Goff was four for 12 against the Steelers blitz and was sacked twice. Steelers reduced their blitz percentage from 36% of 20% late and golf at much more success. What a surprise.

Not sure why they had Cam Heyward dropping back into coverage on that last play either. Weird.

Seems like a recipe for disaster.

Rushed TWO guys

Kind of makes sense.

Steelers knew the Lions would pass and if you flood the EZ with about 9 defenders, the throwing lanes become virtually eliminated.
So the Lions would only be able to score if it was a draw