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SBI > Being Right

Post by swissvale72 » Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:32 pm

I hope I'm wrong, I really do. And I hope that Ryan Clark and Dan Orlovsky are wrong too. I said earlier in the week that my vote, if I had won, would be to stay with JF under center...the guy who is 4-2 as a starter and one 4th down play away from being 5-1.

RC, on NFL Live, prefaced his remarks by saying "I love Mike Tomlin," then added, "...but I hate this move." Orlovsky, as we all know has been a JF proponent from the outset.

I'll restate what I said earlier this week, that being that I HOPE Tomlin is making this move because he really thinks it gives his team the best chance to beat the New York jets. What I BELIEVE though is that he's making this move because of a commitment he made to Russ, a commitment I don't give a fuck about. I just want the Steelers to beat the jets on Sunday. All considered, I think JF gives the Steelers a better shot to do so.

Again, I hope the FUCK that I'm wrong....cuz as I stated 17 years ago, SBI > Being Right. And...if anyone is interested, I was wrong then, too, believing that James Harrison would not be w capable replacement for Joey Porter.



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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:50 pm

swissvale72 wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:32 pm
I hope I'm wrong, I really do. And I hope that Ryan Clark and Dan Orlovsky are wrong too. I said earlier in the week that my vote, if I had won, would be to stay with JF under center...the guy who is 4-2 as a starter and one 4th down play away from being 5-1.

RC, on NFL Live, prefaced his remarks by saying "I love Mike Tomlin," then added, "...but I hate this move." Orlovsky, as we all know has been a JF proponent from the outset.

I'll restate what I said earlier this week, that being that I HOPE Tomlin is making this move because he really thinks it gives his team the best chance to beat the New York jets. What I BELIEVE though is that he's making this move because of a commitment he made to Russ, a commitment I don't give a fuck about. I just want the Steelers to beat the jets on Sunday. All considered, I think JF gives the Steelers a better shot to do so.

Again, I hope the FUCK that I'm wrong....cuz as I stated 17 years ago, SBI > Being Right. And...if anyone is interested, I was wrong then, too, believing that James Harrison would not be w capable replacement for Joey Porter.
Kind of leaning this way. Asked mods for a poll question to this effect more or less.

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Post by K_C_ » Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:29 pm

I fully understand going to Russ. Fields himself has said he needs to play better and he’s still a work I progress.

I just don’t think this is the week to do it. They should have done it last week vs the Raiders or next week, if Fields struggles, against the Giants.

They could also pull Fields during the game and give Russ a shot.
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Post by swissvale72 » Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:37 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:29 pm
I fully understand going to Russ. Fields himself has said he needs to play better and he’s still a work I progress.

I just don’t think this is the week to do it. They should have done it last week vs the Raiders or next week, if Fields struggles, against the Giants.

They could also pull Fields during the game and give Russ a shot.
Ryan Clark's analysis of Fields' comments is that he's "trying to rationalize" his being pulled from the starting job.

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Post by Orangesteel » Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:47 pm

I know. I’m going to miss JFs 150 yards passing, bumbled snaps and terrified throws in the face of a blitz every week.

I have no idea if RW will be better. But the Steelers are benching an average QB that is performing as well as a seasoned backup right now, nothing more.
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Post by cyberlaz » Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:50 pm

I don't think this is the game to make the switch either. Fields has made plays when he had to and this team is 4-2 with two heartbreaking losses.

There is plenty of blame to go around for the two losses and I don't think Fields should get the majority of that blame.

Although, I look at it this way if Wilson is the starter...we can't lose. If Wilson comes in and lights it up then the Steelers win most likely. If Wilson comes it and shits the bed then Tomlin is going to look like a giant jackass and should be the beginning of the end for him being a "great coach". Wilson starting is big risk I think for Tomlin. If Wilson comes in and gets sacked a bunch of times and/or turns the ball over a few times its going to reflect directly on Tomlin.

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Post by K_C_ » Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:59 pm

swissvale72 wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:37 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2024 11:29 pm
I fully understand going to Russ. Fields himself has said he needs to play better and he’s still a work I progress.

I just don’t think this is the week to do it. They should have done it last week vs the Raiders or next week, if Fields struggles, against the Giants.

They could also pull Fields during the game and give Russ a shot.
Ryan Clark's analysis of Fields' comments is that he's "trying to rationalize" his being pulled from the starting job.
Fields knows he needs to play better, but he's done an overall excellent job doing exactly what is asked of him.

He needs to be more accurate on downfield throws but Fields'a arrow is firmly pointed up.

Even if Wilson starts, Fields will be on the field. Zero doubt in my mind.
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Post by Steelperch » Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:40 am

swissvale72 wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:32 pm
I hope I'm wrong, I really do. And I hope that Ryan Clark and Dan Orlovsky are wrong too. I said earlier in the week that my vote, if I had won, would be to stay with JF under center...the guy who is 4-2 as a starter and one 4th down play away from being 5-1.

RC, on NFL Live, prefaced his remarks by saying "I love Mike Tomlin," then added, "...but I hate this move." Orlovsky, as we all know has been a JF proponent from the outset.

I'll restate what I said earlier this week, that being that I HOPE Tomlin is making this move because he really thinks it gives his team the best chance to beat the New York jets. What I BELIEVE though is that he's making this move because of a commitment he made to Russ, a commitment I don't give a fuck about. I just want the Steelers to beat the jets on Sunday. All considered, I think JF gives the Steelers a better shot to do so.

Again, I hope the FUCK that I'm wrong....cuz as I stated 17 years ago, SBI > Being Right. And...if anyone is interested, I was wrong then, too, believing that James Harrison would not be w capable replacement for Joey Porter.
It’s pretty simple Swiss. The Steelers aren’t winning playoff games with their current offense and Justin Fields under center. They might not win with Wilson either, but he’s led teams to two SBs and is a far better passer with better command of the offense. He gives them hope and a shot. SBI is Wilson playing QB and having something left in the tank.

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Post by anpsteel » Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:52 am

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:40 am
swissvale72 wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:32 pm
I hope I'm wrong, I really do. And I hope that Ryan Clark and Dan Orlovsky are wrong too. I said earlier in the week that my vote, if I had won, would be to stay with JF under center...the guy who is 4-2 as a starter and one 4th down play away from being 5-1.

RC, on NFL Live, prefaced his remarks by saying "I love Mike Tomlin," then added, "...but I hate this move." Orlovsky, as we all know has been a JF proponent from the outset.

I'll restate what I said earlier this week, that being that I HOPE Tomlin is making this move because he really thinks it gives his team the best chance to beat the New York jets. What I BELIEVE though is that he's making this move because of a commitment he made to Russ, a commitment I don't give a fuck about. I just want the Steelers to beat the jets on Sunday. All considered, I think JF gives the Steelers a better shot to do so.

Again, I hope the FUCK that I'm wrong....cuz as I stated 17 years ago, SBI > Being Right. And...if anyone is interested, I was wrong then, too, believing that James Harrison would not be w capable replacement for Joey Porter.
It’s pretty simple Swiss. The Steelers aren’t winning playoff games with their current offense and Justin Fields under center. They might not win with Wilson either, but he’s led teams to two SBs and is a far better passer with better command of the offense. He gives them hope and a shot. SBI is Wilson playing QB and having something left in the tank.
I wholeheartedly agree

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Post by swissvale72 » Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:00 am

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2024 12:40 am
swissvale72 wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:32 pm
I hope I'm wrong, I really do. And I hope that Ryan Clark and Dan Orlovsky are wrong too. I said earlier in the week that my vote, if I had won, would be to stay with JF under center...the guy who is 4-2 as a starter and one 4th down play away from being 5-1.

RC, on NFL Live, prefaced his remarks by saying "I love Mike Tomlin," then added, "...but I hate this move." Orlovsky, as we all know has been a JF proponent from the outset.

I'll restate what I said earlier this week, that being that I HOPE Tomlin is making this move because he really thinks it gives his team the best chance to beat the New York jets. What I BELIEVE though is that he's making this move because of a commitment he made to Russ, a commitment I don't give a fuck about. I just want the Steelers to beat the jets on Sunday. All considered, I think JF gives the Steelers a better shot to do so.

Again, I hope the FUCK that I'm wrong....cuz as I stated 17 years ago, SBI > Being Right. And...if anyone is interested, I was wrong then, too, believing that James Harrison would not be w capable replacement for Joey Porter.
It’s pretty simple Swiss. The Steelers aren’t winning playoff games with their current offense and Justin Fields under center. They might not win with Wilson either, but he’s led teams to two SBs and is a far better passer with better command of the offense. He gives them hope and a shot. SBI is Wilson playing QB and having something left in the tank.
That would be SBI, for sure. What do you make of RC's comments particularly?

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:09 am

I think Ryan Clark is missing the big picture while focusing too much on “one game at a time”. If Tomlin is making this decision because he’s thinking his offense isn’t good enough for January, then I applaud him for FINALLY putting his focus on the goal. But honestly I think he’s just doing this to keep his word to Wilson.
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Post by Ice » Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:08 am

Tomlin being a little set in his ways is an understatement at this point, and his most prominent are being risk-averse to a fault, being laser-focused on the upcoming game to the detriment of any big picture thinking, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

This choice is kind of at odds with all of those, so I tend to think there's something else at play here other than just what we're seeing on the field.

As far as using Fields in designed packages, pretty much every time we "design plays" to get the ball to a particular player outside the framework of the "offensive scheme," it's predictable, telegraphed and produces, well, predictably poor results.

Hope I'm wrong, for SBI's sake.
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Post by DP39 » Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:45 pm

Tomlin's smart enough to know that the Jets will score on our D. He also knows JF has limited AS's O. He's seen enough of JF not reading the field and not throwing to NFL-open WRs (and not allowing him to throw over the MOtF). RW can, and will, make AS's O more complete/effective. If our OL can hold up, RW will consistently move the ball down the field better. And that's exactly what we need against the Jets -- a team with a talented O (and now getting Adams, too) and a very good and fast D.

I still think he'll have AS have some JF packages to keep the Jets D off balance.

I don't expect us to win, though.

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Post by PennyBacker » Sat Oct 19, 2024 1:08 pm

If the Steelers start Russ over Fields this weekend it is solely because they believe he will give them the best chance to win an important AFC game.

People frequently talk about how predictable Pittsburgh's offense is. If Wilson is the QB, nobody can say what the offense will look like Sunday night. There is zero real film on this QB and OC combination. The opponent is starting a HOF'er at QB. It is looking like Steelers will counter with a quarterback who is healthy, hungry and ready to make a statement of his own - Russell Wilson.

There is nothing negative that needs to be said about Justin Fields right now, actually quite a bit of positive. Well done, you have the Pittsburgh Steelers at 4-2. Kindly pass the baton to a guy in Russell Wilson who is a career winner, and who will be immediately thrust into the fire against one of the best QBs of his generation. Honestly, if there was ever a time for Pittsburgh to put Russ onto the 2024 train, it is now.

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