M Garrett - DPOY

[Stosh-67]

https://www.nfl.com/news/browns-de-myle ... f-the-year

[Stosh-67]

1 sack in last 7 games.
Equity award.
Sad.

[Steelersfan]

NFL sinking as fast as the last 4-5 years of Tomlin's coaching staff did. Damn shame & criminal. Bazzaro world!

Everybody & their mothers know TJ deserved it.

[langer]

He has a great smile and is a great representative.

[rooneytunes]

Pass Rush Win Rate......the stat that is like you and your lady taking everything off and not fucking

[fractalsteel]

Half way through the season the media half wits started to push the Garrett for DPOY wagon.
Then the TV voices started to follow this trend.
When Garrett jumped the LOS to block the FG I knew it was a lock.

Now the media is claiming that Garrett played with a bad wing and that was the reason why he won the award.

Is he a top defender in the league? Yes, but his season didn't approach what 90 did.

One fucknig sack in his last 7 games. Jarvis Jones territory.

[daikyu]

This seems to be all about record. Cleveland finished strong and overachieved so Garrett gets it. In no measurable way does Garrett deserve the award.

[Steeldrama]

Pass Rush Win Rate......the stat that is like you and your lady taking everything off and not fucking

Great analogy

That made me laugh, RT

I'm not a big awards guy, but I think Kyle Hamilton should've been the runaway winner.

[Havoc]

Cleveland defense was 13th in points allowed

Steelers defense was 6th in points allowed

[jebrick]

PPF award.

JJ Watt has some strong words with what the players think of PPF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TfF6OqWD6k

[Pabst]

PPF award.

JJ Watt has some strong words with what the players think of PPF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TfF6OqWD6k

Paraphrasing:

"If you have a huge pass rush win rate and you're not getting sacks, are you really winning? If you're throwing a bunch of "interceptable passes" and they're not getting intercepted, then how good is your metric"

Yep.

[Mick]

I mean, if you look at the advanced analytics Watt got to face single blocks 20% more of the time and only managed 35% more sacks out of those extra opportunities.

[Thrillsseeker]

PPF award.

JJ Watt has some strong words with what the players think of PPF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TfF6OqWD6k

Paraphrasing:

"If you have a huge pass rush win rate and you're not getting sacks, are you really winning? If you're throwing a bunch of "interceptable passes" and they're not getting intercepted, then how good is your metric"

Yep.

Yup. JJ said players saying what most real fans have been saying, PFF is garbage and he’s surprised how fast and far they’ve come and how much they’re used in media, how it affects players money etc

[DP39]

I mean, if you look at the advanced analytics Watt got to face single blocks 20% more of the time and only managed 35% more sacks out of those extra opportunities.

Good stuff, Mick.

This whole MG faced more double blocks has a lot to do with where he lines up. He is hitting the gap between the T & G much more regularly than TJ, from what I've seen. So by tying to split those two players a lot (even if the G is sorta tied up with someone else -- say a DT) he gets credited for a bunch more " double blocks" even when they're closer to a single player only blocking him.

He's a very good player based on physical gifts alone, but lacks real character, smarts, heart and motor, and is overrated. Put TJ's character, smarts & heart, and Crosby's motor inside of him and he'd, no doubt, be unstoppable.

[Deebo]

PPF award.

JJ Watt has some strong words with what the players think of PPF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TfF6OqWD6k

Paraphrasing:

"If you have a huge pass rush win rate and you're not getting sacks, are you really winning? If you're throwing a bunch of "interceptable passes" and they're not getting intercepted, then how good is your metric"

Yep.

Yup. JJ said players saying what most real fans have been saying, PFF is garbage and he’s surprised how fast and far they’ve come and how much they’re used in media, how it affects players money etc

Dig deeper to this question: who has invested in PFF?
The announcers themselves. Collinsworth, AIkman, etc.

[Mick]

Also not clear what the goal/intent is.

For MVP, like 100% of the voters put Lamar Jackson ahead of Mahomes, and almost all had Prescott ahead of Mahomes (the rest didn’t have either Prescott or Mahomes on their ballot). No one on earth thinks Lamar Jackson is better than Mahomes, much less Dak Prescott. Lamar Jackson’s mom doesn’t think he’s better than Mahomes. If Baltimore got a trade offer from the Chiefs, they’d give up Lamar and 3 1sts for Mahomes without thinking. And Dak…if Jerry Jones got a trade offer from KC, he’d toss Prescott on a private jet within the hour. And toss in every other offensive player on their roster for good measure. And let KC keep the jet.

So you can’t remotely argue that’s an award based on who the better player is. Can’t even claim the Cowboys had a better season than the Chiefs; they both finished as #2 seeds in their conference, with the Chiefs winning their division by a much bigger margin than the ‘boys.

MVP is just a Shiny Stat Line award.

And then they turn around and vote for a crappy statline for DPOY.

[rocky mtn stiller]

This award was determined months ago.

Does anyone remember a commercial at the beginning of the season for one of the sports books. A bunch of people were sitting around a table collaborating on the narrative for the week or season. The theme was supposed to be that no matter how outrageous, "you can't make this stuff up." At the time I thought that maybe they were saying the truth out loud. Then the commercial disappeared. Maybe I'm being overly skeptical but it sure seems like there is a lot more going on behind the shield than just football games.

[Mick]

I mean, if you look at the advanced analytics Watt got to face single blocks 20% more of the time and only managed 35% more sacks out of those extra opportunities.

Good stuff, Mick.

This whole MG faced more double blocks has a lot to do with where he lines up. He is hitting the gap between the T & G much more regularly than TJ, from what I've seen. So by tying to split those two players a lot (even if the G is sorta tied up with someone else -- say a DT) he gets credited for a bunch more " double blocks" even when they're closer to a single player only blocking him.

He's a very good player based on physical gifts alone, but lacks real character, smarts, heart and motor, and is overrated. Put TJ's character, smarts & heart, and Crosby's motor inside of him and he'd, no doubt, be unstoppable.

i think it’s hard to compare; Pittsburgh usually has more than one pass rush threat, so it’s harder to double Watt than Garrett. At the same time, against the steelers, you know someone is generally going to beat a block, so teams just gameplan to get the ball out quick. Where against the Browns, you basically hold the ball until Garrett beats his block.

Parsons and Garrett do a lot more moving around, twists and stunts vs. the steelers usually going straight up or dropping in coverage.

[Pabst]

And here's a great example of "Pass Rush Win Rate" meaning jack:

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Garrett beats Stanley clean to the outside. The problem? It's a draw play, and Garrett (plus the DT) have left a hole big enough for a Freightliner to pass through. This play ends up going for a 39 yard TD.

[SteelerDayTrader]

If you guys were honest you’d admit TJ disappears late

I probably woulda voted for Kyle Hamilton fwiw

[RemoAZ]

The racist minority POS wins it over the straight white male who has better stats. Shocking

[Steelraptor]

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[Jtf]

Who cares

[955876]

While I totally agree this award was given due to DEI bullshit and that Watt has a legitimate gripe, he should be more concerned that his team has looong been a perennial playoff joke.

He should think bout that some next time he decides to tickle Jibbs ass.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

This award after that playoff game is a real slap in the face.

[Steelersfan]

The worst part about giving the award out this year as basically a participation trophy is; this is the 2nd time the flawed process was used to slight TJ's overall accolades.

TJ should of won it the last year Aaron Donald was gifted it as a participation award too. He's been slighted twice now. The process is flawed. Both were hands down, deserved by TJ. Goodell knows it & continues to allow it to be flawed going forward. Integrity of the game, just not important as he states it is, I guess.

[Jizz Shooter]

This is a massive shot of jizz to the face of TJ... terrible.

[Stosh-67]

Now Micah Parsons is chiming in...
Says TJ is not on his top 5 pass rusher list...as he is the best pass rusher in the NFL
Micah, Myles, Crosby, Bosa

And if Myles did not win it... he himself should have won DPOY.

Myles and Micah combined for 3.5 sacks in the last 7 games of the season.
Both of these guys have an advantage of coming from any spot along the los..
I think he probably has DPOY potential...

Micah had ZERO impact on their playoff loss.
ZERO sacks, 2 tackles.
He did not have Troy and Buck announcing that game and mentioning Micahs name every other play.... as his 2 biggest cheerleaders

Garrett was equally ineffective in the Browns playoff loss...
ZERO sacks, 3 tackles

TJ seems pretty pissed off about getting snubbed again.
Hope is extra motivation for 2024

If he plays 17 games...24-25 sacks?

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/02/micah ... the-stats/

[Havoc]

Has DPOY ever gone to a player on a defense 13th in points? Doubt it. Seems odd to me.

I'm not saying it had to go to Watt but I do have a problem with it going to Garrett.

Steelers are 1-10 all time without Watt. A staggering number.

Watt is the one keeping the franchise afloat. Does not fit the narrative though.

[Stosh-67]

Browns are 4-11 without Myles.