How Will the Steelers Improve? Suddenly and Dramatically

[LakecrestSteeler]

This is the sad part about this whole thing. We have all been lulled into thinking that the improvement will be on a slow and steady climb! Just one more player…just one more tweak to the line….just a couple more weeks to work together!

I am here to remind everyone that that premise is all horse manure.

If and when we get the new OC or new head coach it will be a dramatic and sudden change in performance. It will be like going from a 4 cylinder to an 8 cylinder. It will be instantaneous! This is a fact!

It will not take 6 weeks for things to mesh.

It will happen week one and suddenly the Steelers will be averaging 27 points a game and then we will gradually move towards 30.

We are all fools to think we will start at 15.5 points and move to 27. It is never going to happen. We saw what Canada is in his first 6 games of his first year. The only part that was disguised was the extra points added by a HOF FQB at the end of the 3rd QTR and beginning of the 4th QTR.

This whole season is fucked!

[Stillchest]

This is the sad part about this whole thing. We have all been lulled into thinking that the improvement will be on a slow and steady climb! Just one more player…just one more tweak to the line….just a couple more weeks to work together!

I am here to remind everyone that that premise is all horse manure.

If and when we get the new OC or new head coach it will be a dramatic and sudden change in performance. It will be like going from a 4 cylinder to an 8 cylinder. It will be instantaneous! This is a fact!

It will not take 6 weeks for things to mesh.

It will happen week one and suddenly the Steelers will be averaging 27 points a game and then we will gradually move towards 30.

We are all fools to think we will start at 15.5 points and move to 27. It is never going to happen. We saw what Canada is in his first 6 games of his first year. The only part that was disguised was the extra points added by a HOF FQB at the end of the 3rd QTR and beginning of the 4th QTR.

This whole season is fucked!

I agree with all your points.

Here’s something else to consider, we as fans, may be fucked for the foreseeable future, imo. We look for any silver lining to a shit season, coach/coordinator terminations, better draft position, easier(presumably) schedule next season, and none of that would matter, imo.

As long, as Art II and Tomlin are in command, they will just bring in their typical coach/coordinator, players, and regiments as before.

Choosing creative, hungry, qualified NFL coaches, with a solid resume will unlikely happen. Being able to identify talent and develop that talent is unlikely. To think, one bad losing season filled with embarrassment, mired in fan and media backlash will make Art II and Tomlin take notice, to reconsider their standard, forever approach, is nothing but delusion.

As Tomlin often says, “we don’t care.” This may be the only sentiment, Tomlin has been honest about.

They don’t care and it shows.

[the-other-burg]

The silver lining is that we will. in all likelihood, fall short of being absolutely terrible. So that Steeler fans can rest easy at night knowing that we may never win another playoff game with our current coaching staff, but at least we wont be the worst team in the league.

[Professor Half Wit]

I’m pretty mercurial bc what the fuck do I really know, but when Canada was hired as OC it took a loooooong time to hire him. He was already on staff but that search really dragged out.

I don’t think Tomlin wanted him. I don’t think Tomlin wants him now. I think it’s possible that while Tomlin indeed vastly overrated his defensive acumen, he knows he needs an OC that exceeds his ability in that sphere. I think Art is cheap. I think Art doesn’t want to pay top dollar for a premier talent that costs premier money. I think he’s cool with caveman football.

Also, I don’t think Tomlin wanted Pickett. I think Colbert and Art shoved hometown Pickett on Tomlin. Tomlin wanted the kid with the crazy low ceiling, but crazy high upside that the Titans ruined.

These are just today’s thoughts bc what the he’ll do any of us know.

I do think as fans were in deep shit bc Art ain’t Dan.

[Kodiak.]

I don’t think Tomlin wanted him. I don’t think Tomlin wants him now. I think it’s possible that while Tomlin indeed vastly overrated his defensive acumen, he knows he needs an OC that exceeds his ability in that sphere. I think Art is cheap. I think Art doesn’t want to pay top dollar for a premier talent that costs premier money. I think he’s cool with caveman football.

C'mon. Lebeau was almost certainly one of the highest paid DCs in the league. When they brought in Munchak, I'm sure he wasn't cheap, either. Danny Smith has enough of a decent track record that he would have left for better pay by now.

And the PPG writers have said over and over Tomlin has autonomy when it comes to staff. The only coach some disagree on is Haley. Maybe Rooney is cheap - they do have one of the smaller staffs. But there's really no evidence that the issue is Tomlin just doesn't have enough money to pay people. And Tomlin is one of the highest paid coaches in the league, so clearly Rooney makes some effort to keep him happy.

Not to mention, what does it say about Tomlin if he'd have a job 5 minutes later, but chooses to stay where the cheap owner handcuffs his ability to field an elite team?

[Professor Half Wit]

I don’t think Tomlin wanted him. I don’t think Tomlin wants him now. I think it’s possible that while Tomlin indeed vastly overrated his defensive acumen, he knows he needs an OC that exceeds his ability in that sphere. I think Art is cheap. I think Art doesn’t want to pay top dollar for a premier talent that costs premier money. I think he’s cool with caveman football.

C'mon. Lebeau was almost certainly one of the highest paid DCs in the league. When they brought in Munchak, I'm sure he wasn't cheap, either. Danny Smith has enough of a decent track record that he would have left for better pay by now.

And the PPG writers have said over and over Tomlin has autonomy when it comes to staff. The only coach some disagree on is Haley. Maybe Rooney is cheap - they do have one of the smaller staffs. But there's really no evidence that the issue is Tomlin just doesn't have enough money to pay people. And Tomlin is one of the highest paid coaches in the league, so clearly Rooney makes some effort to keep him happy.

Not to mention, what does it say about Tomlin if he'd have a job 5 minutes later, but chooses to stay where the cheap owner handcuffs his ability to field an elite team?

Who hired LeBeau?

DAN.

I don't know what Munchak agreed to.

WHY did it take so long to hire Canada?

I don't go along with the Tomlin is a lazy submental retard narrative many subscribe to on the board.

[LakecrestSteeler]

It must be Art.

I too think Tomlin is a pretty high functioning adult. He has obviously studied communication and messaging and probably right up there with a lot of savvy politicians if he wanted to go that route.

He already does stump speeches and gets his minions to repeat talking points organically. He would just need to travel, campaign, immerse himself in some public policy and he could probably get elected to some pretty high offices with a competent campaign manager.

His weakness must be Art. Everyone needs a great leader to have success. You don’t get promotions in companies unless you have a champion above you trailblazing a path for you, pushing you and also pulling you along. Even good CEO’s are blessed with successful boards and consultants to help keep the ship sailing along a proper path. They don’t do it alone. And they don’t do it cheaply.


Tomlin must not be getting proper guidance and healthy pressure from above. And Art must not have someone guiding him and pushing him to create the needed pressure to make the appropriate changes.


It is so obvious how broken the whole thing is. To my original point above, they are and we are all frogs in the quickly warming water.

The reason why there was so much damned hope coming out of the preseason with the offense and Kenny Pickett is exactly my point above.

We all know what it will look like. We thought/hoped we had seen the step change or the paradigm shift that is required for an above average NFL offense. Alas, that was not the case. But what happened in preseason is exactly what it will look like in regular season…it will be sudden and dramatic and happen over one or 2 games.

Do you remember the first game with Cowher, after Noll? You just saw the sea change immediately in one game, they sprouted up from one simple offseason.

The Steelers are stuck in the roundabout of mediocrity. Nothing great will happen until there is a midseason firing and a true sense that the house is on fire.

It is on fire!

[franco>madden]

I do think as fans were in deep shit bc Art ain’t Dan.

The simple, awful truth.

[955876]

I don't go along with the Tomlin is a lazy submental retard narrative many subscribe to on the board.

No, he isn’t a sub-mental retard.

But he absolutely is lazy. And not lazy in terms of he is a couch potato who doesn’t do anything all day.

He’s lazy in his approach. He’s lazy in his plan. He’s lazy in terms of self scouting. He’s lazy to make changes. He’s lazy to deviate from do what we do.

All of that is cover for us to maintain some fabricated “standard” he always claims to be upholding.

He’s lazy. He’s lazy because he constantly does the same things over and over and yet expects different results.

So I guess he’s also insane.

[Professor Half Wit]

I don't go along with the Tomlin is a lazy submental retard narrative many subscribe to on the board.

No, he isn’t a sub-mental retard.

But he absolutely is lazy. And not lazy in terms of he is a couch potato who doesn’t do anything all day.

He’s lazy in his approach. He’s lazy in his plan. He’s lazy in terms of self scouting. He’s lazy to make changes. He’s lazy to deviate from do what we do.

All of that is cover for us to maintain some fabricated “standard” he always claims to be upholding.

He’s lazy. He’s lazy because he constantly does the same things over and over and yet expects different results.

So I guess he’s also insane.

Lazy by not putting in the work to innovate, yes.

But I’m becoming more and more convinced that Art is a lousy cheap ass who won’t pony up the cash for top tier coordinators.

Tomlin doesn’t want Canada. I can’t believe that.

[Kodiak.]

WHY did it take so long to hire Canada?

I don't go along with the Tomlin is a lazy submental retard narrative many subscribe to on the board.

I never heard it took a long time to promote Canada to OC. Are you sure you aren't confusing the time it took to hire Canada with his initial role on staff (and not OC)?

Munchak was a highly regarded OL coach, and former HC....he most certainly did not take a below market discount. You're making a conjecture with 0 evidence for it.

Are you seriously suggesting Deuce is in favor of all these subpar coaches just so he can save a few million bucks per year with a franchise worth probably $2B?!??!? Does that sound, I don't know, fucking stupid to you?

[Professor Half Wit]

WHY did it take so long to hire Canada?

I don't go along with the Tomlin is a lazy submental retard narrative many subscribe to on the board.

I never heard it took a long time to promote Canada to OC. Are you sure you aren't confusing the time it took to hire Canada with his initial role on staff (and not OC)?

Munchak was a highly regarded OL coach, and former HC....he most certainly did not take a below market discount. You're making a conjecture with 0 evidence for it.

I may be misremembering but I recall it taking a long time into off-season for Canada to be named OC.

As for no evidence, yes, that’s right. It’s all conjecture. And not just my take either.

All we see are pressers and the product on the field. Everything else is speculation.

[Kodiak.]

I may be misremembering but I recall it taking a long time into off-season for Canada to be named OC.

As for no evidence, yes, that’s right. It’s all conjecture. And not just my take either.

All we see are pressers and the product on the field. Everything else is speculation.

There's a lot of evidence this isn't the case, along with basic common sense. This is just another conspiracy theory with absolutely no supporting evience conjured up to defend Tomlin because his hiring of coaches is abysmal. Like I said, PPG writers have said over and over and over Tomlin has full autonomy - no evidence to the contrary, and such an extraordinary circumstance should warrant at least some evidence to take it remotely seriously. I put about as much stock in that as the idea that Tomlin hires yes men because he's afraid of being shown up.

Every one starts somewhere - why does Tomlin's staff suck top-to-bottom? Surely he could be hiring some entry level people who could excel. Coaches at that level aren't breaking anyone's bank account.

Also, Fitchner was fired Jan 15, 2021. Matt Canada was named as being promoted to OC 10 days later, so I have no idea where you getting any of this.

[Professor Half Wit]

I may be misremembering but I recall it taking a long time into off-season for Canada to be named OC.

As for no evidence, yes, that’s right. It’s all conjecture. And not just my take either.

All we see are pressers and the product on the field. Everything else is speculation.

There's a lot of evidence this isn't the case, along with basic common sense. This is just another conspiracy theory with absolutely no supporting evience conjured up to defend Tomlin because his hiring of coaches is abysmal. Like I said, PPG writers have said over and over and over Tomlin has full autonomy - no evidence to the contrary, and such an extraordinary circumstance should warrant at least some evidence to take it remotely seriously. I put about as much stock in that as the idea that Tomlin hires yes men because he's afraid of being shown up.

Every one starts somewhere - why does Tomlin's staff suck top-to-bottom? Surely he could be hiring some entry level people who could excel. Coaches at that level aren't breaking anyone's bank account.

Also, Fitchner was fired Jan 15, 2021. Matt Canada was named as being promoted to OC 10 days later, so I have no idea where you getting any of this.

Are you under the mistaken impression that I’m defending Tomlin?

I must have misremembered the Canada timeline.

I’m not the first person to suggest Art is cheap.

How do you know Tomlin has freedom to hire whomever? If he does, so much the worse on him.

You think Tomlin had the freedom to say yes or no to the Butler promotion, for instance?

[Kodiak.]

Are you under the mistaken impression that I’m defending Tomlin?

I must have misremembered the Canada timeline.

No, but you literally are inventing an alternate reality of excuses for the guy. You sort of do that a lot when you're trying to play devil's advocate.

[anpsteel]

I don't go along with the Tomlin is a lazy submental retard narrative many subscribe to on the board.

No, he isn’t a sub-mental retard.

But he absolutely is lazy. And not lazy in terms of he is a couch potato who doesn’t do anything all day.

He’s lazy in his approach. He’s lazy in his plan. He’s lazy in terms of self scouting. He’s lazy to make changes. He’s lazy to deviate from do what we do.

All of that is cover for us to maintain some fabricated “standard” he always claims to be upholding.

He’s lazy. He’s lazy because he constantly does the same things over and over and yet expects different results.

So I guess he’s also insane.

That’s a Bingo

[Professor Half Wit]

Are you under the mistaken impression that I’m defending Tomlin?

I must have misremembered the Canada timeline.

No, but you literally are inventing an alternate reality of excuses for the guy. You sort of do that a lot when you're trying to play devil's advocate.

So, back to my alternate reality.

Who promised Butler if he stuck around he’d succeed LeBeau? You think Tomlin had the freedom to choose who would replace DL?

[jewelsongs]

Alex Kozora from Steelers Depot did a study on March 28, 2022 about the size of the coaching staffs in the NFL. Of 32 teams, the Steelers had the second smallest. New England had the smallest, but he qualified his comments with the fact that New England had several vacancies, and when filled, there number would increase. That may have changed a little in the last year, but the Steelers are not spending on Assistant coaches like other teams do.

Here is a link.

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/03/study ... ing-staff/

[955876]

Tomlin doesn’t want Canada. I can’t believe that.

One of the worst calls last week was that abortion on 4th & 1.

That call came after a time out. So the coaching staff discussed the play.

Unless Jibbs was in the restroom taking a dump that very moment he was not only in on the conversation he approved it.

Then defended it later.

So maybe Jibbs doesn’t want Canada. But he’s still signing off on horrible play calls.

So let’s not twist ourselves into pretzels trying to make him the victim. He’s not.

He’s the head fucking coach and has final say. At least during the game.

[jewelsongs]

Andrew Fillipponi from The Pony Express wrote on January 12, 2021 "The Steelers have the cheapest coaching staff in the NFL. They're 32nd on money spent on assistant coaches. You get what you pay for. How does a team that values coaching and winning championships cut costs on coaches? Explain. It's not like their assistants are young."

I don't know how he got that data, since the Steelers don't publish the salaries of staff like some teams do.

[Professor Half Wit]

Tomlin doesn’t want Canada. I can’t believe that.

One of the worst calls last week was that abortion on 4th & 1.

That call came after a time out. So the coaching staff discussed the play.

Unless Jibbs was in the restroom taking a dump that very moment he was not only in on the conversation he approved it.

Then defended it later.

So maybe Jibbs doesn’t want Canada. But he’s still signing off on horrible play calls.

So let’s not twist ourselves into pretzels trying to make him the victim. He’s not.

He’s the head fucking coach and has final say. At least during the game.

ZERO excuse for allowing that call. And the justification he gav for it was garbage.

[Professor Half Wit]

Andrew Fillipponi from The Pony Express wrote on January 12, 2021 "The Steelers have the cheapest coaching staff in the NFL. They're 32nd on money spent on assistant coaches. You get what you pay for. How does a team that values coaching and winning championships cut costs on coaches? Explain. It's not like their assistants are young."

I don't know how he got that data, since the Steelers don't publish the salaries of staff like some teams do.

Wait, are you suggesting there's circumstantial evidence I'm not simply inventing an alternate reality?

Cool.

Far as I know, Tomlin not responsible for signing checks.

[K_C_]

I don’t think Tomlin wanted him. I don’t think Tomlin wants him now. I think it’s possible that while Tomlin indeed vastly overrated his defensive acumen, he knows he needs an OC that exceeds his ability in that sphere. I think Art is cheap. I think Art doesn’t want to pay top dollar for a premier talent that costs premier money. I think he’s cool with caveman football.

C'mon. Lebeau was almost certainly one of the highest paid DCs in the league. When they brought in Munchak, I'm sure he wasn't cheap, either. Danny Smith has enough of a decent track record that he would have left for better pay by now.

And the PPG writers have said over and over Tomlin has autonomy when it comes to staff. The only coach some disagree on is Haley. Maybe Rooney is cheap - they do have one of the smaller staffs. But there's really no evidence that the issue is Tomlin just doesn't have enough money to pay people. And Tomlin is one of the highest paid coaches in the league, so clearly Rooney makes some effort to keep him happy.

Not to mention, what does it say about Tomlin if he'd have a job 5 minutes later, but chooses to stay where the cheap owner handcuffs his ability to field an elite team?

Yeah, I've never bought into the Steelers organization being cheap, at all.

Tomlin has had coordinators forced on him, but if Tomlin hated Canada, the world would know it by now.

Cool Shades needed a big year (at least 1 playoff win) and the odds of that happening aren't looking good at present.

I think it's actually possible the teams turns things around but if they don't and the wheels actually do fall off (ending up waaaaaay short of the NHALS) then I think it's very possible Mike Tomlin walks away from coaching.

Reading Steelers news on Facebook, I tried arguing with Tomlin lovers in the past and it was futile. There are a whole lot less Tomlin lovers out there now.

The shine is off the guy for sure and I think he knows it.

[RemoAZ]

Do you guys remember this from last year? If so, is it confirmed he was talking to Canada?? If so Boswell is now one of my favorites of all time.
https://twitter.com/PickensBurgh/status ... 7374623874

[Steelperch]

I honestly believe a lot of the offensive players are dejected and not giving 100% because they know the scheme and play calling is shit. A new OC could work wonders for next season, this season was ruined the second Tomlin decided to retain Canada.

[955876]

Do you guys remember this from last year? If so, is it confirmed he was talking to Canada?? If so Boswell is now one of my favorites of all time.
https://twitter.com/PickensBurgh/status ... 7374623874

IF Boswell was referring to Oh Canada that is a HUGE development. Particularly because he’s a kicker and when should a kicker ever say shit really.

Especially because a bad offesne means kicker getting more opportunities for FGs which is good (in a selfish way) for the kicker.

IF Bos was directing that comment to Canada then I’d guarantee there are many more offensive players that feel that way as well.

Would be ridiculous to assume the kicker is PO’d at the OC but none of the skill position players are.

[955876]

I think it's actually possible the teams turns things around but if they don't and the wheels actually do fall off (ending up waaaaaay short of the NHALS) then I think it's very possible Mike Tomlin walks away from coaching.

He has $12,500,000 reasons to not “walk away from coaching” in addition to an owner that doesn’t even evaluate him.

2023: Canada is fall guy
2024: KP had to deal with a new OC (like that’s never been done before… )
2025: DC coordinator will be fall guy
2026: Pickett will be fall guy

Jibbs has enough built in excuses to carry him through his next extension.

In other words, this moldy turd isn’t going anywhere just yet.

[955876]

This is the sad part about this whole thing. We have all been lulled into thinking that the improvement will be on a slow and steady climb! Just one more player…just one more tweak to the line….just a couple more weeks to work together!

You were one of the posters ready to fit KP with his gold jacket after he won the preseason SB…

[jewelsongs]

Something the Steelers could do now is hire Mike Munchak as the assistant head coach for offense. If Rooney is not cheap, money should be no object. If we fix the OLine, we will improve.

[LakecrestSteeler]

This is the sad part about this whole thing. We have all been lulled into thinking that the improvement will be on a slow and steady climb! Just one more player…just one more tweak to the line….just a couple more weeks to work together!

You were one of the posters ready to fit KP with his gold jacket after he won the preseason SB…

I wouldn’t go that far, but I did think they cracked part of the code and I thought KP was the reason, and maybe he could be a small fQB this year. I thought Canada was being held back by QB play and KP could transcend Canada’s misunderstood E=MC^2 offense…it just took time and a few more parts.

It was all bullshit. Someone can’t orchestrate RBs, Line, WRs, TEs and QB to play music and score above average points per NFL game. He is so bad he makes the defense even worse.

I have seen the light. It will not get better….only thing that may happen is KP, GP or NH might will a win or two more.


Canada is an incompetent NFL OC. 15.5 points per game is it. You have seen the beginning, middle and end of this movie.