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Post by Jizz Mop » Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:32 pm

1st and goal from the 5

Up 13-10. A FG does nothing but set us up for a 1-point loss.

Najee in Wildcat, there goes feared receiving threat Kenny Pickett in motion….the crowd gasps

The reaction of the defense…..I’m sure a few grinned.

Direct snap to Najee. No gain. So well designed. Shocked it went for a Blutarsky. Zero point zero.

Next up. Let’s use Gentry. Incomplete.

3rd down? We got bailed out by a questionable DPI against Fry.

1st and goal

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Post by Jobu » Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:41 pm

Because the Steelers haven’t done this shit BC…before Canada?
It’s not Canada, it wasn’t Fichtner, it wasn’t Haley!
Ands it most certainly wasn’t Roethlisberger!!!
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Post by langer » Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:04 pm

Does he know Najee runs in concrete-encased shoes pr is that something that cannot be recognized.

Seems the O is better without Claypool. It only took half the fucking seasonn
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:16 pm

langer wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:04 pm
Does he know Najee runs in concrete-encased shoes pr is that something that cannot be recognized.

Seems the O is better without Claypool. It only took half the fucking seasonn
I doubt seriously the offense is better without Claypool. They just played a defense that was kinda beat up, short week--while Steelers coming off the bye. That was a sacrificial opponent.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:25 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:16 pm
langer wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:04 pm
Does he know Najee runs in concrete-encased shoes pr is that something that cannot be recognized.

Seems the O is better without Claypool. It only took half the fucking seasonn
I doubt seriously the offense is better without Claypool. They just played a defense that was kinda beat up, short week--while Steelers coming off the bye. That was a sacrificial opponent.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:42 pm

I think the wildcat works when 1 or more of these things happen

1. The defense panics and gets confused just enough to let a kinda mediocre play slip by

2. You have a legit run/pass dual threat getting the snap AND a QB who can excel as a blocking and/or recieving threat

3. You can dictate a mismatch overload blocking and you have a run threat that can exploit that

I think in the beginning it succeeded mainly with a large dose of number 1

Now I’m not sure number 1 contributes much and 2 and 3 don’t seem viable for most teams


All that said. I think one of the very large problems with the Steelers offense is nothing seems to be multiple or even just a consistently well executed play that can serve to set up the right conditions for other plays to work well

I think the Steelers KINDA TRY to do that ^^^^^ but it most often takes the form of gimmicky poorly planned and executed things like jet sweeps etc etc
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Post by zeke5123 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:52 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:16 pm
langer wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:04 pm
Does he know Najee runs in concrete-encased shoes pr is that something that cannot be recognized.

Seems the O is better without Claypool. It only took half the fucking seasonn
I doubt seriously the offense is better without Claypool. They just played a defense that was kinda beat up, short week--while Steelers coming off the bye. That was a sacrificial opponent.
That and the offense wasn’t really that great. 20 points. Heavily aided by questionable calls. Against a bad defense. If that was a good offensive performance we are in deep shit.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:04 pm

zeke5123 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:52 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:16 pm
langer wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:04 pm
Does he know Najee runs in concrete-encased shoes pr is that something that cannot be recognized.

Seems the O is better without Claypool. It only took half the fucking seasonn
I doubt seriously the offense is better without Claypool. They just played a defense that was kinda beat up, short week--while Steelers coming off the bye. That was a sacrificial opponent.
That and the offense wasn’t really that great. 20 points. Heavily aided by questionable calls. Against a bad defense. If that was a good offensive performance we are in deep shit.
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Post by Mick » Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:38 pm

zeke5123 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:52 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:16 pm
langer wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:04 pm
Does he know Najee runs in concrete-encased shoes pr is that something that cannot be recognized.

Seems the O is better without Claypool. It only took half the fucking seasonn
I doubt seriously the offense is better without Claypool. They just played a defense that was kinda beat up, short week--while Steelers coming off the bye. That was a sacrificial opponent.
That and the offense wasn’t really that great. 20 points. Heavily aided by questionable calls. Against a bad defense. If that was a good offensive performance we are in deep shit.
two drives ended in easy FG attempts that were missed, and another in kneel downs after picking up some game sealing 1sts, ending in field goal range. If we converted field goals on those drives that ended in easy field goal range, it would have been 29 points.

29 points on 11 drives (including the drive that was the 18 seconds before the half) would be 2.63 points per drive. For comparison, the eagles are 2nd in the nfl with like 2.59 points per drive.

All of the caveats apply, bye week, saints on a short week with injuries. But that was a nice showing by the offense without having to lower the bar for once.

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Post by zeke5123 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:51 pm

Mick wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:38 pm
zeke5123 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:52 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:16 pm


I doubt seriously the offense is better without Claypool. They just played a defense that was kinda beat up, short week--while Steelers coming off the bye. That was a sacrificial opponent.
That and the offense wasn’t really that great. 20 points. Heavily aided by questionable calls. Against a bad defense. If that was a good offensive performance we are in deep shit.
two drives ended in easy FG attempts that were missed, and another in kneel downs after picking up some game sealing 1sts, ending in field goal range. If we converted field goals on those drives that ended in easy field goal range, it would have been 29 points.

29 points on 11 drives (including the drive that was the 18 seconds before the half) would be 2.63 points per drive. For comparison, the eagles are 2nd in the nfl with like 2.59 points per drive.

All of the caveats apply, bye week, saints on a short week with injuries. But that was a nice showing by the offense without having to lower the bar for once.
Yes. If things happened that didn't happen, the results would be different. Teams do miss 45 yard field goals. Teams also kneel down in their FG range. We could easily also say if the refs don't call some ticky tac calls the Steelers only score 10 points.

Point being if that is good (i.e., the 85th best outcome for the offense), then we are in trouble.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:58 pm

Mick wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:38 pm
zeke5123 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:52 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:16 pm


I doubt seriously the offense is better without Claypool. They just played a defense that was kinda beat up, short week--while Steelers coming off the bye. That was a sacrificial opponent.
That and the offense wasn’t really that great. 20 points. Heavily aided by questionable calls. Against a bad defense. If that was a good offensive performance we are in deep shit.
two drives ended in easy FG attempts that were missed, and another in kneel downs after picking up some game sealing 1sts, ending in field goal range. If we converted field goals on those drives that ended in easy field goal range, it would have been 29 points.

29 points on 11 drives (including the drive that was the 18 seconds before the half) would be 2.63 points per drive. For comparison, the eagles are 2nd in the nfl with like 2.59 points per drive.

All of the caveats apply, bye week, saints on a short week with injuries. But that was a nice showing by the offense without having to lower the bar for once.
You simply can't discount the opponent's unforced errors and bad officiating calls extending almost every drive the "offense" had. That sort of stuff is unsustainable as a means of success. Process trumps outcome.
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Post by Mick » Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:24 pm

Maybe we are saying the same thing. I am pointing out that the results were good: 7 ‘successful’ drives (ending in TD, high % FGAs, or kneels), 3 punts, 0 turnovers.

People are noting that the offense was inflated by penalties (the DPI and roughing passer i thought were poor calls that helped a lot), i’m noting that our scoring was also deflated by missed figgies and the drive at the end where we didn’t score because we didn’t need to. So some of that should cancel out.

For the offense overall, i hate it and agree it’s never going to work. It’s a passing league, and it feels like 100% of the effort is on trying to be creative with the run game. On the passing side, there’s nothing but checkdowns and low % downfield targets, where a perfect pass and either a great fingertip catch or a defender not looking for the ball are both needed for a successful play.

Feels like a basketball team where the offense focuses on creating defended shots from one step inside the arc off the dribble. And then say “they just gotta start hitting more of these shots.” Yeah, sure, hitting more of those would help. That’s not the problem though.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:50 pm

Mick wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:24 pm
Maybe we are saying the same thing. I am pointing out that the results were good: 7 ‘successful’ drives (ending in TD, high % FGAs, or kneels), 3 punts, 0 turnovers.

People are noting that the offense was inflated by penalties (the DPI and roughing passer i thought were poor calls that helped a lot), i’m noting that our scoring was also deflated by missed figgies and the drive at the end where we didn’t score because we didn’t need to. So some of that should cancel out.

For the offense overall, i hate it and agree it’s never going to work. It’s a passing league, and it feels like 100% of the effort is on trying to be creative with the run game. On the passing side, there’s nothing but checkdowns and low % downfield targets, where a perfect pass and either a great fingertip catch or a defender not looking for the ball are both needed for a successful play.

Feels like a basketball team where the offense focuses on creating defended shots from one step inside the arc off the dribble. And then say “they just gotta start hitting more of these shots.” Yeah, sure, hitting more of those would help. That’s not the problem though.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:58 pm

langer wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:04 pm
Does he know Najee runs in concrete-encased shoes pr is that something that cannot be recognized.

Seems the O is better without Claypool. It only took half the fucking seasonn
3 catches for 21 yards in two games with Chicago.

saw an article that says he thinks Steelers phased him out...

Chase Claypool Thinks The Steelers Actively Sabotaged Him
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-b ... taged-him/

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He better wake up and start putting the work in on his game, before he is 30 and out of the NFL
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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:10 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:32 pm
1st and goal from the 5

Up 13-10. A FG does nothing but set us up for a 1-point loss.

Najee in Wildcat, there goes feared receiving threat Kenny Pickett in motion….the crowd gasps

The reaction of the defense…..I’m sure a few grinned.

Direct snap to Najee. No gain. So well designed. Shocked it went for a Blutarsky. Zero point zero.

Next up. Let’s use Gentry. Incomplete.

3rd down? We got bailed out by a questionable DPI against Fry.

1st and goal

QB sneak. Game. Blouses.

Matt Canada baby. Lucky to have him.
I would think this has a lot better chance of being successful with Warren taking the snap,
Pickens coming in motion.....

But that would take all the fear and predictability out of the play.
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Post by Jizz Mop » Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:20 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:10 pm
Jizz Mop wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:32 pm
1st and goal from the 5

Up 13-10. A FG does nothing but set us up for a 1-point loss.

Najee in Wildcat, there goes feared receiving threat Kenny Pickett in motion….the crowd gasps

The reaction of the defense…..I’m sure a few grinned.

Direct snap to Najee. No gain. So well designed. Shocked it went for a Blutarsky. Zero point zero.

Next up. Let’s use Gentry. Incomplete.

3rd down? We got bailed out by a questionable DPI against Fry.

1st and goal

QB sneak. Game. Blouses.

Matt Canada baby. Lucky to have him.
I would think this has a lot better chance of being successful with Warren taking the snap,
Pickens coming in motion.....

But that would take all the fear and predictability out of the play.
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Post by langer » Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:43 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:58 pm
langer wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:04 pm
Does he know Najee runs in concrete-encased shoes pr is that something that cannot be recognized.

Seems the O is better without Claypool. It only took half the fucking seasonn
3 catches for 21 yards in two games with Chicago.

saw an article that says he thinks Steelers phased him out...

Chase Claypool Thinks The Steelers Actively Sabotaged Him
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-b ... taged-him/

Life is short, an NFL career is 10x shorter.
He better wake up and start putting the work in on his game, before he is 30 and out of the NFL
That is quite sad. Dude is more delusional than AB was at this point in his life.

If anything they let him play more than he should have, perhaps in the hopes of getting someone to take the Canadian adonis off their hands.

On hopes Pickens is more grounded than that hosehead. I liked how he responded Sunday. The O looked better, not ELITE but better.

If Kenny and George get some chemistry they could have something. I'm thinking Claypool was hard to get along with.
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Post by Kodiak. » Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:45 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:58 pm
Chase Claypool Thinks The Steelers Actively Sabotaged Him

He's hopeless. Successful people rarely externalize failures, much less to the degree Claypool seems to. Successful people do the opposite - they look at things out of their control and figure out how to compensate or work around.

And if Mike Tomlin is frustrated with you and feels your immature, that's a pretty big red flag....



GM Ryan Poles couldn’t understand what was happening. So he started digging into the situation. He gauged the price tag and reached out to people he trusted to ask about the receiver.

That's an interesting tidbit. Sounds like more than a few people around the league dismissed what Claypool was putting on tape, likely due to the QB and OC.
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Post by Kodiak. » Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:48 pm

langer wrote:
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I'm thinking Claypool was hard to get along with.
I think he has shitty technique, doesn't work to improve, and as a result struggles to get open.

And combat catches really aren't his thing, either. All you have left is a great athlete that just isn't a good football player.
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Post by Texas Steel » Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:09 pm

Sorry, the first thing I thought of when seeing the subject,
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:14 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:16 pm
langer wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:04 pm
Does he know Najee runs in concrete-encased shoes pr is that something that cannot be recognized.

Seems the O is better without Claypool. It only took half the fucking seasonn
I doubt seriously the offense is better without Claypool. They just played a defense that was kinda beat up, short week--while Steelers coming off the bye. That was a sacrificial opponent.
Claypool had 1 catch for 8 yards yesterday.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:18 pm

And Chase was getting between 80% and 93% of the snaps in Pittsburgh.

92%
92%
93%
73%
91%
86%
85%
80%

First two weeks in Chicago.
35%
31%

I assume they are purposely doing this to him?
Even if he doubles his snap percentage, it will be less than his lowest usage game with the PS.
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