Fixing the Oline

[Greeksteel]

Came upon this on twitter and wanted to see what you guys thought of these 2 gree agents. Linderbaum is a beast, we know that.

Realistic targets to fix the Steelers OLine

G - Austin Corbett (LA Rams) having a breakout season - just 26 years old

RT - Trent Brown (NE) gigantic people mover - 28 years old

C - Tyler Linderbaum (Iowa NCAA) One of the greatest Center prospects in history - 21 years old

What do you guys know about Corbett and Brown?

[Jizz Mop]

I think I read the highest a center has been drafted was 18

I may be wrong

But in a few mocks I see him going higher than that

Where are we picking @?

18/19?

[Greeksteel]

likely around 15th give or take a slot or 2 depending on next weeks result

[Kodiak.]

IMO - and I know this sounds crazy -this OL may be only 2 guys and some coaching away from being good.

Move Green to RG, and I think there may be some potential there. Move Moore over to RT and I think he can be solid for years. Then let's see how Okorafor looks with good players on both sides of him.

Leglue and Hassaunauer are nice depth.

That's a young line, and so I don't necessarily break the bank or trade a bunch of draft capital to get that LT and C. Satisfied to come out of the draft with one blue-chipper there, and find the other the next year. Of course, that's probably going to destroy Najee.

Extremely optimistically, I could see this team being just a QB away with 2 good drafts and some FA's. My realistic expectation is the complete opposite.

[jeemie]

I’d love someone with a good insider view as to how the Steelers draft to figure out for me what they are doing wrong…what metrics they are using to decide players fit their needs…when it turns out they don’t.

Is it as simple as we don’t have the advantages in our scouting and talent evaluation we used to have?

I know FC talked about nepotism and insularity in our scouting department. Is that is or is it something else?

In short I’d like to know why the Steelers are fucking up…particularly on offense…not just how.

[Greeksteel]

I’d love someone with a good insider view as to how the Steelers draft to figure out for me what they are doing wrong…what metrics they are using to decide players fit their needs…when it turns out they don’t.

smallest scouting staff in the league,

[DP39]

I think I read the highest a center has been drafted was 18

I may be wrong

But in a few mocks I see him going higher than that

Where are we picking @?

18/19?

The Chicago Cardinals made Ki Aldrich the first selection in the 1939 NFL Draft.

Not sure were he'll go, but he's as technically sound as they come (from straight outta college).

[K_C_]

IMO - and I know this sounds crazy -this OL may be only 2 guys and some coaching away from being good.

Move Green to RG, and I think there may be some potential there. Move Moore over to RT and I think he can be solid for years. Then let's see how Okorafor looks with good players on both sides of him.

Leglue and Hassaunauer are nice depth.

That's a young line, and so I don't necessarily break the bank or trade a bunch of draft capital to get that LT and C. Satisfied to come out of the draft with one blue-chipper there, and find the other the next year. Of course, that's probably going to destroy Najee.

Extremely optimistically, I could see this team being just a QB away with 2 good drafts and some FA's. My realistic expectation is the complete opposite.

I don't know....Dan Moore played pretty fucking good last night at LT.

Garrett had some pressure for sure, but he's elite and that's gonna happen, but Moore fought his ass off out there and is improving.

He just might be fine out at LT.

[tbsteel]

To be fair, Garrett hasn't looked right since his groin injury a couple of weeks ago. Watt looked pretty pedestrian when he was playing hurt.

Dan Moore may end up fine at LT, but he's a fourth round rookie who struggled mightily this year.

I don't think anyone on the o-line should be safe.

[Steeldrama]

I’d love someone with a good insider view as to how the Steelers draft to figure out for me what they are doing wrong…what metrics they are using to decide players fit their needs…when it turns out they don’t.

Is it as simple as we don’t have the advantages in our scouting and talent evaluation we used to have?

I know FC talked about nepotism and insularity in our scouting department. Is that is or is it something else?

In short I’d like to know why the Steelers are fucking up…particularly on offense…not just how.

I WISH I had the answer to this post.
I've had similar thoughts like WTF is wrong???
Can talent evaluators get mired in a slump like a MLB hitter?
All I know is something's broke.
How do they fix it?

I've hurled my share of not so subtle jabs at the scouting department of late calling them amongst other things LAZY.
The Steelers reportedly have a small, low budget scouting department
Do they only travel by Greyhound?
I mean when is the last time the Steelers drafted someone west of Texas?
Juju (I myself am too LAZY to look it up)?

So yes ART2 needs to shake the moths out of his wallet and throw some cash into the scouting department
Shake that bitch up!
Fire the stale,
Hire some fresh, new MOTIVATED go getters.
And for gawd sakes dole out some frequent flyer miles!

But there's more (OMG STFU, Drama)
Take last year's draft.
Claypool, Dotson, and the Highsmith kid all had impressive rookie years.
Along with Minkah that looked liked a home run draft.
This year?
Not so much.
Big time year two regression especially for Claypool.
That's on coaching and player DEVELOPMENT.

Now, take this year's class.
Rookies starting all over the damn place.
Why???
Why so many holes on the roster (The vagina is my 3rd favorite hole)

We used to bitch that kids like Suwanee, GA's own Cam Heyward had to sit and bide their time but man it sure would've been nice if Kendrick Green could've had a year to learn to play the center position before getting thrown to the wolves...in Ben's final season of all things (man that's just shit-off stupid).

Then there's my ultimate complaint that Tomlin and his "coaches" have zero eye for talent.
We all bitch in hindsight, but I threw me a B2B hissy when the Steelers drafted Devin Bush.
I KNEW that was a terrible reach and a WASTE of valuable draft capital (Although I understood the all in gamble).
Colbert has said since day 1 he tees em up for the coaches to choose.
Ike Hillard has enough on his plate trying to keep Claypool from landing on the turf every fucking route.
Adrian Klemm who picked Green and Moore PEACED OUT before the damn season even ended and these guys are making draft picks?!?!
OMG I'm upsetting myself!!!

LONG non-sensical post short, it's all a WASTE of words until the organization rids itself of the big 3
THEN changes their approach to talent acquisition.
GM needs final say on all talent acquisition
NOT Tomlin or his hopefully soon to be hired predecessor.
Allowing subpar Tomlin minions to handle day 3 picks is "Obviously" NOT working.

[Ice]

I understand the Mugatu-level frustration, Drama, as well as the fatalistic resolution that it's gonna take wholesale change at the top to make any difference whatsoever. Is it drafting? Development? Scheme? Systems? Management? Yes, yes it is.

[K_C_]

To be fair, Garrett hasn't looked right since his groin injury a couple of weeks ago. Watt looked pretty pedestrian when he was playing hurt.

Dan Moore may end up fine at LT, but he's a fourth round rookie who struggled mightily this year.

I don't think anyone on the o-line should be safe.

Garrett got pressure on several occasions yesterday, but Moore, for the most part, more than held his own.

Basically EVERYBODY this time of year, especially with an extra regular season game, is playing hurt. Christ Watt is playing with broken ribs.

Let's also remember, Dan Moore is a rookie. He's never played a 17 game schedule in his life.....and yet...he isn't hitting the rookie wall.

He's still playing pretty damn well. Is he Tony Boselli? Oh fuck no, but there is a lot to work with in this kid.

[Ice]

I've been pretty impressed with Moore, too. He's had his issues, but all in all, it's been a positive rookie campaign. Hell, I remember Duane Brown, a high first rounder, future Pro Bowler for the Texans that Deebo made cry during a game.

[Steeldrama]

I understand the Mugatu-level frustration, Drama, as well as the fatalistic resolution that it's gonna take wholesale change at the top to make any difference whatsoever. Is it drafting? Development? Scheme? Systems? Management? Yes, yes it is.

"And another thing Vonnegut!"

While I'm ranting this evening, let me add that the whole sprinting to the podium bullshit needs to stop.
Relax
Takes some phone calls
Trade DOWN
Acquire some picks
The GREAT Jimmy Johnson said he KNEW he was going to miss on players so if you have more picks the more mistakes you can afford to make.

And STOP trading away picks to plug holes.
Joe Schobert SUCKS!!!

[Ice]

I'm hoping some of these recent trades have been a ham-fisted attempt to cobble together a team for Ben's last ride, but with this FO, who even knows anymore.

The sprint to the podium... that's not changing till the current staff/management is flushed. It's endemic at this point.

[Mick]

Our WRs would look a lot better if they had time to get open. Ben would look a lot better with reliable pass protection. Our RB would look a lot better with run blocking. Our linebackers would look a lot better if we had a d-line.

I think plenty of teams would trade their last five 1sts for Watt / Edmunds / Bush / Minkah / Harris.

[RemoAZ]

Moore wasn't ready to start at LT in the NFL. He's got the tools but needs a solid off season in the weight room in my opinion. He is the best of the group we have now. I'd be happy if we let the guys we have now fight for one guard spot and add a 1st round pick and 2 FAs to center, guard and RT. BIG guys that can control and push the los so we can run the damn ball.

[955876]

Why so many holes on the roster (The vagina is my 3rd favorite hole)

I’m wondering how it came in 3rd but whatever.

[955876]

I think plenty of teams would trade their last five 1sts for Watt / Edmunds / Bush / Minkah / Harris.

I dunno. Edmunds was a huge reach and Bush flat out sucks balls.

Neither are even mediocre for 1st round picks IMO.

[Steeldrama]

Why so many holes on the roster (The vagina is my 3rd favorite hole)

I’m wondering how it came in 3rd but whatever.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ENJOrLM6o1c

[955876]

Ah Entourage. Good show…

[TTP]

The Steelers entered the 2021 season with 5 question marks across the OL. They end the same way. It's really frustrating to not have a single guy that can be definitively counted on to be average in 2022 let alone good.

On the bright side, it gives the FO the ultimate freedom to draft/sign the best players regardless of position. None of this "we only are looking at guards or tackles or centers". We need all the positions.

[PennyBacker]

Dotson's trajectory looks to have flatlined this season. Didn't hear much good about him while he was playing, and has been out injured for 2 months now.

His status today raises concerns of a guy who read his own press clipping last season about how great he was, thought he'd made it big, and then got lazy or gave up on trying to continue to improve.

It'd be great for him to suit up this weekend and hear he played a great final game against the hated Ravens, because without that he'll be trending towards flash in the pan all off season.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Colbert and his good ol boy scouting dept suck

[cop1211]

Draft Lindenbaum if he’s there, then I’d draft Kinnard from Kentucky in the 2nd if he’s there. I don’t think Green is anything more than a serviceable backup.
Sign either Trent Brown jr.,Armstead, or Cam Robinson at LT, move Moore to RT.

Armstead-Dotson-Linderbaum-Kinnard-Moore.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Lindenbaum is too small by a lot to play for the Steelers

[Minkah'n Big Plays]

IMO - and I know this sounds crazy -this OL may be only 2 guys and some coaching away from being good.

Move Green to RG, and I think there may be some potential there. Move Moore over to RT and I think he can be solid for years. Then let's see how Okorafor looks with good players on both sides of him.

Leglue and Hassaunauer are nice depth.

That's a young line, and so I don't necessarily break the bank or trade a bunch of draft capital to get that LT and C. Satisfied to come out of the draft with one blue-chipper there, and find the other the next year. Of course, that's probably going to destroy Najee.

Extremely optimistically, I could see this team being just a QB away with 2 good drafts and some FA's. My realistic expectation is the complete opposite.

I don't know....Dan Moore played pretty fucking good last night at LT.

Garrett had some pressure for sure, but he's elite and that's gonna happen, but Moore fought his ass off out there and is improving.

He just might be fine out at LT.

Easy....go back and watch the tape, Garrett is playing hurt right now.

It didn't take long to notice that.

[Minkah'n Big Plays]

Another thing, those that are calling for Green to play guard?

Huh? He's weak and too light.

He's just a swing guy, I don't care about his pulling ability.

[alancac98]

Draft Lindenbaum if he’s there, then I’d draft Kinnard from Kentucky in the 2nd if he’s there. I don’t think Green is anything more than a serviceable backup.
Sign either Trent Brown jr.,Armstead, or Cam Robinson at LT, move Moore to RT.

Armstead-Dotson-Linderbaum-Kinnard-Moore.

Can Kinnard play LG, because Dotson looks a lot better at RG than he does LG. I think you could go with Armstead-Legue-Linderbaum-Dotson-Moore and that would be a pretty decent line. I think the center of that line could be strong and dominant once they gel. I think they could use the 2nd round pick on a DE on the line as I'm not sure if Tuitt will ever come back! We need to build both lines. One could argue to build the OLineone year (they attempted to do some of that last year but shit the bed completely), then build the Dline next year.

[K_C_]

Garrett is playing hurt right now.

Oh please…..

Everybody’s playing hurt right now.

You think Watt and his broken ribs are 100%?

Watt’s had about 12 different injuries this year and he’s doing pretty well.

If Garrett’s out there on the field, Stefanski and that staff believe he’s healthy enough to be a difference maker.