Tomlin showing he’s biggest dope in the room

[StillerDownSouth]

Vikings have 2 good players on offense, Cook and Jefferson. Why we didn’t sell out to stop the run and double Jefferson in the 1st half is beyond clueless, instead we let them do whatever they wanted. Then to top it off, we had our usual establish the run, throw the screens bullshit to start the game. Why this dipshit won’t start a game spreading teams out and letting Ben do Ben is beyond me.

[punum123]

Ben should be the OC - No need for Canada - he doesn't get it and never will. He has a Ferrari in his own quarterback but has no idea how to drive it.

And please no more quick screens. Ever. When the other team is playing man coverage

[StillerDownSouth]

Close second to Maplenuts for taunting penalty that killed the 1st drive, then celebrates a first down with running clock inside 40 seconds costing us at least 10 seconds and prob 2 more shots from the 10 to the EZ.

[Rod & Wire Mill]

Close second to Maplenuts for taunting penalty that killed the 1st drive, then celebrates a first down with running clock inside 40 seconds costing us at least 10 seconds and prob 2 more shots from the 10 to the EZ.

Alpha and omega

[langer]

“Football is a complex yet simple game. You got to whip blocks, you got to make tackles, you got to sustain blocks. You got to make sure your pile is falling in the right direction.”

[franco32]

Tomlin and this staff are dunces. They came out with the same defensive looks they used against Baltimore...including the 3 OLBs with Watt in the middle to stop the run. Why? Because as we know from Tomlin, it's not about Xs and Os. It's about execution only.

What did the coach on the "hot seat" do? Zimmer completely was ready for it. They had plays designs to go to the weak side. They had designed cut back runs against the wash. They had pitches set up to exploit Cook's speed.

It was an unmitigated disaster! So, it's one thing for Tomlin to be badly outcoached on the defensive side of the ball and take over 2 quarters to figure out it. But, what makes Tomlin extra special is that he doesn't instill any urgency in his offense on a night where the D is getting carved. Some night you have to go into shootout mode early and let Ben sling it. Was that tonight? No. Just wait til we are 29 down and then let Ben open it up.

FUCK YOU MIKE TOMLIN. YOU MIGHT HAVE CONNED THE NATIONAL MEDIA AND CASUAL FAN, BUT WE WILL ALWAYS KNOW YOU ARE FRAUD WHO WON WITH COWHER'S CORE AND PISSED AWAY THE LAST 10 YEARS OF A HOF QB.

[Jizz Mop]

And yet…amazingly, Tomlin supporters and apologists continue to exist.

Not sure what is weirder, that or the lack of coverage of the Jizz-lane Maxwell trial.

[steelmann58]

The amount of shit this coach puts up with and allows is amazing

[Lynch]

And yet…amazingly, Tomlin supporters and apologists continue to exist.

Not sure what is weirder, that or the lack of coverage of the Jizz-lane Maxwell trial.

C'mon Jism... Surely you know the score by now!?!???

[Texas Black & Gold]

Two guys with opposing views on Tomlin. Very interesting and I can actually understand both points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b7985TErwM

In regards to the "malcontents."
1. Clearly Tomlin is not coaching them to act this way and I doubt he is just looking the other way. But whatever he does has lost its effectiveness on the malcontents.

2. The other view is that it is mainly on the player to act accordingly/professionally. I'm sure Tomlin/coaches have coached them appropriately and Tomlin is not on the field doing those stupid things. And this is where I'm at.

How does an organization/HC change the culture of guys being "malcontents?"
I know many on this board want to fire Tomlin and some even want to get rid of everyone and start from scratch.
Maybe a psychological screening is needed before drafting players.

I realize something has to change.

[langer]

"Maybe a psychological screening is needed before drafting players."

Not sure people would like what they see there. Claypool came from a bad environment, he's a child in a man's body, he may never mature.

This team needs a sport psychologist, but everyone is so out of it no one can see the big picture, which is eliminating self-destructive tendencies and achieving peak performance. That sounds like rahrah corporate speak, but the organization is a mess. It's obvious.

The entire Viking game, every series, had some quantity of bad plays that could have been avoided, that were un-necessary.

Mike Tomlin glosses over these, and moves on, which is not the right thing to do.

[zeke5123]

Two guys with opposing views on Tomlin. Very interesting and I can actually understand both points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b7985TErwM

In regards to the "malcontents."
1. Clearly Tomlin is not coaching them to act this way and I doubt he is just looking the other way. But whatever he does has lost its effectiveness on the malcontents.

2. The other view is that it is mainly on the player to act accordingly/professionally. I'm sure Tomlin/coaches have coached them appropriately and Tomlin is not on the field doing those stupid things. And this is where I'm at.

How does an organization/HC change the culture of guys being "malcontents?"
I know many on this board want to fire Tomlin and some even want to get rid of everyone and start from scratch.
Maybe a psychological screening is needed before drafting players.

I realize something has to change.

Okay. So Tomlin’s job isn’t to manage the players. So he must be able to out scheme opponents? Wait. He sucks at that? Okay so he must be a great game day coach who routinely makes the right decision about managing the clock, when to go for fourth down, etc. He sucks at that too?

Then tell me if Tomlin can’t get guys to act professionally, can’t put scheme opponents, and can’t make strong tactical decisions then what does the Potted Plant bring to the table?

[Orangesteel]

Two guys with opposing views on Tomlin. Very interesting and I can actually understand both points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b7985TErwM

In regards to the "malcontents."
1. Clearly Tomlin is not coaching them to act this way and I doubt he is just looking the other way. But whatever he does has lost its effectiveness on the malcontents.

2. The other view is that it is mainly on the player to act accordingly/professionally. I'm sure Tomlin/coaches have coached them appropriately and Tomlin is not on the field doing those stupid things. And this is where I'm at.

How does an organization/HC change the culture of guys being "malcontents?"
I know many on this board want to fire Tomlin and some even want to get rid of everyone and start from scratch.
Maybe a psychological screening is needed before drafting players.

I realize something has to change.

Okay. So Tomlin’s job isn’t to manage the players. So he must be able to out scheme opponents? Wait. He sucks at that? Okay so he must be a great game day coach who routinely makes the right decision about managing the clock, when to go for fourth down, etc. He sucks at that too?

Then tell me if Tomlin can’t get guys to act professionally, can’t put scheme opponents, and can’t make strong tactical decisions then what does the Potted Plant bring to the table?

Errrrr….ummmmm….players run through walls for him or something or other…

[langer]

then what does the Potted Plant bring to the table?

“I just can’t say enough about the contributions we got from new Steelers and Steelers that are getting an opportunity to get their train out of the station in terms of their careers.”

[Texas Black & Gold]

It could be that Tomlin is the guy that is holding this team together. Albeit with Band-Aids and words but it could be worse.
I understand placing all the blame on one person is the easy thing to do and being a HC that comes with the job.

[zeke5123]

It could be that Tomlin is the guy that is holding this team together. Albeit with Band-Aids and words but it could be worse.
I understand placing all the blame on one person is the easy thing to do and being a HC that comes with the job.

So a team is uniquely dysfunctional. The guy in charge of that dysfunction gets a pass because…it could be worse? Sure. I guess. But that means the Steelers uniquely draft problem kids. Is there really evidence of that?

[Texas Black & Gold]

It could be that Tomlin is the guy that is holding this team together. Albeit with Band-Aids and words but it could be worse.
I understand placing all the blame on one person is the easy thing to do and being a HC that comes with the job.

So a team is uniquely dysfunctional. The guy in charge of that dysfunction gets a pass because…it could be worse? Sure. I guess. But that means the Steelers uniquely draft problem kids. Is there really evidence of that?

I don't think the Steelers are as "uniquely dysfunctional" as you think. There are teams that are worse off or in the same boat. Two of them are in AFC North even though they are improving.

[langer]

How could it be worse.

Ben is the only thing keeping this ship afloat...losing to the Lions, the Vikes demolish the shit out of all facets then they self-destruct.

If it doesn't lay at Tomlin's feet, I'm not sure who else there is that is able to control the team...is there a silent HC that is actually at fault?

[Jobu]

Remember, no matter what happens, it’s “not Mike Tomlin’s fault”.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Remember, no matter what happens, it’s “not Mike Tomlin’s fault”.

Sometimes it is his fault. But not always is it his fault. Just trying to be fair.

[Texas Black & Gold]

How could it be worse.

Ben is the only thing keeping this ship afloat...losing to the Lions, the Vikes demolish the shit out of all facets then they self-destruct.

If it doesn't lay at Tomlin's feet, I'm not sure who else there is that is able to control the team...is there a silent HC that is actually at fault?

Accountability and fault are two different things. Sure a HC is accountable for his team but often it is not the fault of the HC. I don't agree that Ben is the only one keeping the ship afloat. It usually takes a team effort to pull off a win and the defense has contributed to this teams success too.

[Jizz Mop]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apologist

[Texas Black & Gold]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apologist

And?

[jewelsongs]

Remember, no matter what happens, it’s “not Mike Tomlin’s fault”.

Remember, no matter what happens, it’s “always Mike Tomlin’s fault”.

Neither statement is true.

[langer]

It's not Mike Tomlin's fault, it's Ben's fault. IT IS OBVIOUS.

[Gonzo]

It is mike Tomlins fault