TJ Watt lung issue

[langer]

Conspiracies are much more fun.

Maybe he got smashed in the head with a beer bottle over on the South Side after he hit on someone's girlfriend?

Was he riding a Hayabusa without a helmet and drove into a Volare driven by Mabel Foley from North Braddock?

[anpsteel]

“Professional” micro needling is 2-3 mm deep.

3 mm is 0.118 of an inch.

There is no universe where a 3 mm micro needling procedure punctured a fucking lung.

Somebody is lying here.

That was my point

[Dan Smith--BYU]

It's not a conspiracy theory if you're calling out a ridiculous person for an obvious lie.

There is no way in hell that you get a pneumothorax with that treatment unless the Ravens put a saboteur in the training room.

Not saying that's what happened.

I'm saying trainers and doctors are lying to you in an injury report.

Which they OFTEN due.

[CKSteeler]

There are real, documented cases of this exact injury happening from this procedure. Quite a few, in fact.

Sometimes, you need to take a step back and actually admit you know nothing.

And this is far crazier than any conspiracy I tied to Israel and Trump.

[CKSteeler]

Honestly, I'm starting to miss the pre-Covid days when you boomers just believed everything you were told by authority.

[R_S]

I'll defer to the studies on the subject:

In a prospective study, Witt et al. [10] found that two out of nearly 230 000 patients reported pneumothorax after acupuncture treatment. A systematic review of the Chinese literature found that pneumothorax was the most frequent serious acupuncture-associated adverse event with a total of 201 cases, four of which were fatal [11]. To our knowledge, only two cases of pneumothorax after dry needling have been described [1, 12]. We present a series of four cases in one Belgian university hospital over a period of 15 months.

Four patients were seen at the emergency department with post-dry needling pneumothorax between September 2022 and December 2023. All were women aged 28–35 years. One patient was a smoker. None of the patients had any relevant medical history. All had been treated for pain located in the left shoulder, trapezius muscle or neck region in outpatient physiotherapist practices.

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Our series suggests post-dry needling pneumothorax is, contrary to numbers cited in literature, not extremely rare. With rising popularity of the technique, we expect complications to occur more often. Patients and referring doctors should be aware of this. In their informed consent, practitioners should mention pneumothorax as a considerable risk of dry needling procedures in the neck, shoulder or chest region.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11017104/

It was likely at the apex of the lung that extends as far up as the first rib and clavicle. I'd guess with muscle bound football players the PT probably goes deeper than with your typical patient but still a very odd thing to happen. Id bet there were working around his traps or nearby attachments points of neck muscles like the SCM

[Dan Smith--BYU]

or do something else for pain relief