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Re: Realistic predictions for this season?

Post by Louis Lipps Service » Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:12 pm

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Count me as firmly in the, Fuck No, category, regarding Shaduer Sanders.

I want no part of the Deion Sanders bullshit parade.
He's not a bad QB prospect, even considering the baggage. Tomlin will 100% love him though, because bloodlines/legacy and the kind of swag/arrogance that Tomlin has complimented in others over and over again. Sanders might be the most swaggy QB of all time at this stage of his career. And that *could* bode well for him. But I don't think he's a transcendent talent.

So, where does maximum swagger but less than trancendent talent get you? IDK, Baker Mayfield?
Or Johnny Manziel.



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Post by Jobu » Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:15 pm

Drafting Sanders just feels like the polar opposite of the steeler way
Here’s what I think will happen…
One of the leagues bottom feeders will fire their coach at the end of the season, and think it will be good business to bring the Prime Time circus to town. Of course, Deion’s first move will be to draft his kid, likely top 3-5.
Hasn’t Deion coached him at every level along the way…jr high, high school, both college stops? Don’t see that changing now!

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Post by Ice » Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:08 pm

Given some of what's been reported out of Colorado recently, I'm skeptical. Sounds like a real mess over there.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:33 pm

Louis Lipps Service wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:12 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:29 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:52 pm
Count me as firmly in the, Fuck No, category, regarding Shaduer Sanders.

I want no part of the Deion Sanders bullshit parade.
He's not a bad QB prospect, even considering the baggage. Tomlin will 100% love him though, because bloodlines/legacy and the kind of swag/arrogance that Tomlin has complimented in others over and over again. Sanders might be the most swaggy QB of all time at this stage of his career. And that *could* bode well for him. But I don't think he's a transcendent talent.

So, where does maximum swagger but less than trancendent talent get you? IDK, Baker Mayfield?
Or Johnny Manziel.
I mean that's less talent than Sanders has, but sure.
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Post by Ice » Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:44 pm

Sanders definitely has a legitimate NFL shot, isn't in the category of someone like Manziel. I'd argue based on what I've seen since his HS and Jackson days, he's ahead of where Mayfield was at this point, as well. The national media has him overhyped, but we might be hitting that under a little too hard.
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Post by Orangesteel » Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:47 pm

Manziel is a great comparison.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:54 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
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Manziel is a great comparison.
Sanders is a pocket passer, primarily... not a big off-schedule hero ball guy like Manziel. But the self-aggrandizement... that's another story.
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Post by Orangesteel » Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:09 pm

Yeah; meant more of that. Last time I saw Manziel anywhere he was golfing on a YouTube channel smoking multiple cigarettes every hole.
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Post by Pabst » Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:18 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
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Yeah; meant more of that. Last time I saw Manziel anywhere he was golfing on a YouTube channel smoking multiple cigarettes every hole.
He did a tell-all interview on Shannon Sharpe's show a few months ago. Seems like he's in a better place now, or at least better than where he was

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Post by Louis Lipps Service » Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:45 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:33 pm
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Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:12 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
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He's not a bad QB prospect, even considering the baggage. Tomlin will 100% love him though, because bloodlines/legacy and the kind of swag/arrogance that Tomlin has complimented in others over and over again. Sanders might be the most swaggy QB of all time at this stage of his career. And that *could* bode well for him. But I don't think he's a transcendent talent.

So, where does maximum swagger but less than trancendent talent get you? IDK, Baker Mayfield?
Or Johnny Manziel.
I mean that's less talent than Sanders has, but sure.
I agree, but I think it's still a fair comparison. And I think Sanders has even more potential to the Manziel route because not only does Sanders himself have that gigantic sense of entitlement, his dad does as well, and his dad has the notoriety to be an even bigger diva than his kid is. If his kid isn't starting day 1, you can bet your ass dear old dad will be in front of every microphone he can find to voice his displeasure.

And god forbid his son start, but struggle. Deion will be throwing every offensive teammate and coach in the organization under the bus.

Should that noise matter? No, but it does. And if he is good enough to get a second contract, you're going to have Deion acting as de facto agent and pushing his price way above what he's worth.

It's like having Manziel, but with LaVar Ball as his dad.

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Post by anpsteel » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:09 pm

Jobu wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:15 pm
Drafting Sanders just feels like the polar opposite of the steeler way
Here’s what I think will happen…
One of the leagues bottom feeders will fire their coach at the end of the season, and think it will be good business to bring the Prime Time circus to town. Of course, Deion’s first move will be to draft his kid, likely top 3-5.
Hasn’t Deion coached him at every level along the way…jr high, high school, both college stops? Don’t see that changing now!
That seems completely plausible

I think Deion is finding turning around a program against the big boys, a bit tougher than expected.

He won't want the association of losing, so he'll likely jump ship before that stigma is attached.

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Post by Ice » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:31 pm

We all understand that "the Manziel route" had as much (or way more) to do with rampant substance abuse as it did "entitlement issues," right? There really isn't a fair comparison between Manziel and Sanders to be made here, unless you just don't like the kid's dad, which apparently a lot of people don't.

Unless you spend way more time than you should listening to or reading Jason Whitlock (which is literally any time at all), not sure where we're getting "entitlement issues" with Shedeur Sanders, either.
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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:16 pm

The only college QB worth tanking for might be Manning.
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Post by Jobu » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:51 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:09 pm
Jobu wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:15 pm
Drafting Sanders just feels like the polar opposite of the steeler way
Here’s what I think will happen…
One of the leagues bottom feeders will fire their coach at the end of the season, and think it will be good business to bring the Prime Time circus to town. Of course, Deion’s first move will be to draft his kid, likely top 3-5.
Hasn’t Deion coached him at every level along the way…jr high, high school, both college stops? Don’t see that changing now!
That seems completely plausible

I think Deion is finding turning around a program against the big boys, a bit tougher than expected.

He won't want the association of losing, so he'll likely jump ship before that stigma is attached.
Absolutely.

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Post by gojira5150 » Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:44 pm

Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
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The only college QB worth tanking for might be Manning.
Why? He can't beat out Ewers. I don't get the fascination. If he was all that, he would've made Ewers transfer.
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Post by Steeldrama » Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:33 am

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/patrick- ... pelganger

The next NFL star QB currently resides in Lincoln, Nebraska via my son's HS here in suburban Atlanta

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Post by OhioSteeler » Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:42 pm

Steeldrama wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:33 am
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/patrick- ... pelganger

The next NFL star QB currently resides in Lincoln, Nebraska via my son's HS here in suburban Atlanta

GO
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My big question is how he'll handle adversity. He's played at 3 different high schools and God knows he'll experience a wild ride at Nebraska.

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Post by Steeldrama » Thu Aug 22, 2024 1:00 pm

OhioSteeler wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:42 pm
Steeldrama wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:33 am
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/patrick- ... pelganger

The next NFL star QB currently resides in Lincoln, Nebraska via my son's HS here in suburban Atlanta

GO
BIG
RED!
My big question is how he'll handle adversity. He's played at 3 different high schools and God knows he'll experience a wild ride at Nebraska.
Yeah all the moving around is a red flag to me too
strikes me as poor parenting but it’s not all that uncommon especially around Georgia

Former Georgia DT Bear Alexander who will get drafted high in this years draft another kid with many high schools and colleges

Chasing that Nil money before they even enroll in college

Buford HS recruited tbe Raiolas presumably with the help of Kirby

Dylan’s little brother the Buford starting qb this year as a sophomore

My son now a retired Buford player said the younger has an even stronger arm than big brother

Question around here is if Kirby will recruit the kid after being spurned by Dylan for Nebraska
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Post by OhioSteeler » Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:25 pm

Steeldrama wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 1:00 pm
OhioSteeler wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:42 pm
Steeldrama wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:33 am
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/patrick- ... pelganger

The next NFL star QB currently resides in Lincoln, Nebraska via my son's HS here in suburban Atlanta

GO
BIG
RED!
My big question is how he'll handle adversity. He's played at 3 different high schools and God knows he'll experience a wild ride at Nebraska.
Yeah all the moving around is a red flag to me too
strikes me as poor parenting but it’s not all that uncommon especially around Georgia

Former Georgia DT Bear Alexander who will get drafted high in this years draft another kid with many high schools and colleges

Chasing that Nil money before they even enroll in college

Buford HS recruited tbe Raiolas presumably with the help of Kirby

Dylan’s little brother the Buford starting qb this year as a sophomore

My son now a retired Buford player said the younger has an even stronger arm than big brother

Question around here is if Kirby will recruit the kid after being spurned by Dylan for Nebraska
I agree, it really sounds like dad has tight reins on his son. Played in Texas, Arizona and finally Georgia.

At least from the outside, it looks like he wanted somewhere where he could immediately step into a starting role (the unfortunate reality that some of these kids expect in sports now).

He wasn't going to start at Georgia right away. Even OSU would have been a competition. Factor in his uncle on staff at Nebraska.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:28 pm

gojira5150 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:44 pm
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:16 pm
The only college QB worth tanking for might be Manning.
Why? He can't beat out Ewers. I don't get the fascination. If he was all that, he would've made Ewers transfer.
He’s not eligible this year
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Post by gojira5150 » Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:21 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:28 pm
gojira5150 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:44 pm
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:16 pm
The only college QB worth tanking for might be Manning.
Why? He can't beat out Ewers. I don't get the fascination. If he was all that, he would've made Ewers transfer.
He’s not eligible this year
I didn't know that. Why would he not be eligible. Do you think he's as good as advertised. Is Manning a better NFL QB prospect than Carson Beck or Cameron Ward.
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Post by RemoAZ » Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:28 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:28 pm
gojira5150 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:44 pm
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:16 pm
The only college QB worth tanking for might be Manning.
Why? He can't beat out Ewers. I don't get the fascination. If he was all that, he would've made Ewers transfer.
He’s not eligible this year
I like the path that Manning is taking. It looks like he wants to learn and mature in a good program. Have you heard Brady's comments on the lack of solid programs that teach QBs how to play? They dumb down the systems with these chuck and duck offenses and most of the guys aren't prepared to play in the NFL at all. The more I hear Brady talk, the more I like him and it pisses me off because him being in the league probably cost us a SB or three. I'd love to have that guy in the front office.

Here's a vid of him talking about it:
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:19 pm

gojira5150 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:21 pm
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Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:28 pm
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Why? He can't beat out Ewers. I don't get the fascination. If he was all that, he would've made Ewers transfer.
He’s not eligible this year
I didn't know that. Why would he not be eligible. Do you think he's as good as advertised. Is Manning a better NFL QB prospect than Carson Beck or Cameron Ward.
Manning is a true Sophomore and unless I messed something, you have to be a redshirt Soph or at least out of HS for 3 years.

Manning might be great... no way to tell yet. Also, he should have been named the starter over Ewers and Ewers should have transferred. Not really sure how they let that happen.

Personally, I think Cam Ward is the best of the bunch, so I'm not the right person to be asking this question. Anyway, the right question is: which of these QBs is transcendent enough to overcome Mike Tomlin and the rest of the shortcomings?

Beyond Ward, I maintain that a big season from Taylen Green at Arkansas could vault him into the top "dual-threat", athletic QB that I'm guessing they'd prefer for this offense. He could be out of the NFL in 3 years but he also might be the most exciting QB in the League in 3.
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Post by anpsteel » Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:25 pm

I’m pretty sure Manning isn’t draft eligible until 2026

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Post by Dan Smith--BYU » Fri Aug 23, 2024 4:56 pm

Brady made some good observations. Who knows what would have happened if Mahomes went in right away instead of sitting for Alex Smith? There is way too much pressure on these first round bonus babies.
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Post by gojira5150 » Sat Aug 24, 2024 4:57 am

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:19 pm
gojira5150 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:21 pm
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Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:28 pm


He’s not eligible this year
I didn't know that. Why would he not be eligible. Do you think he's as good as advertised. Is Manning a better NFL QB prospect than Carson Beck or Cameron Ward.
Manning is a true Sophomore and unless I messed something, you have to be a redshirt Soph or at least out of HS for 3 years.

Manning might be great... no way to tell yet. Also, he should have been named the starter over Ewers and Ewers should have transferred. Not really sure how they let that happen.

Personally, I think Cam Ward is the best of the bunch, so I'm not the right person to be asking this question. Anyway, the right question is: which of these QBs is transcendent enough to overcome Mike Tomlin and the rest of the shortcomings?

Beyond Ward, I maintain that a big season from Taylen Green at Arkansas could vault him into the top "dual-threat", athletic QB that I'm guessing they'd prefer for this offense. He could be out of the NFL in 3 years but he also might be the most exciting QB in the League in 3.
Well, a Prime BR7 couldn't overcome ole MT in the 2010's so there's that. I hope you are correct about Cam Ward. He sounds like a QB Steelers could draft especially if they have a 4-5 win season.

Sounds like Taylen Green is the next Anthony Richardson.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Sat Aug 24, 2024 12:45 pm

gojira5150 wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 4:57 am
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:19 pm
gojira5150 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:21 pm


I didn't know that. Why would he not be eligible. Do you think he's as good as advertised. Is Manning a better NFL QB prospect than Carson Beck or Cameron Ward.
Manning is a true Sophomore and unless I messed something, you have to be a redshirt Soph or at least out of HS for 3 years.

Manning might be great... no way to tell yet. Also, he should have been named the starter over Ewers and Ewers should have transferred. Not really sure how they let that happen.

Personally, I think Cam Ward is the best of the bunch, so I'm not the right person to be asking this question. Anyway, the right question is: which of these QBs is transcendent enough to overcome Mike Tomlin and the rest of the shortcomings?

Beyond Ward, I maintain that a big season from Taylen Green at Arkansas could vault him into the top "dual-threat", athletic QB that I'm guessing they'd prefer for this offense. He could be out of the NFL in 3 years but he also might be the most exciting QB in the League in 3.
Well, a Prime BR7 couldn't overcome ole MT in the 2010's so there's that. I hope you are correct about Cam Ward. He sounds like a QB Steelers could draft especially if they have a 4-5 win season.

Sounds like Taylen Green is the next Anthony Richardson.
Somewhere between Richardson and Josh Allen. He’s ahead of both as a passer; maybe not the same arm strength but still pretty toolsy.
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Post by stillthere » Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:33 pm

anpsteel wrote:
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I’m hoping Tomlin learned that lesson with JuJu and Claypool

No more, me first egos/players
Claypool was all the hype due to his size and willingness to be a gunner on the punt team and a blocker on return teams. Everyone loved the fact that even as a starter at ND he was still on the punt team because he was good at it.

What part of that story says a me first ego/player?

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Post by anpsteel » Sat Aug 24, 2024 9:48 pm

stillthere wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:33 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:56 pm
I’m hoping Tomlin learned that lesson with JuJu and Claypool

No more, me first egos/players
Claypool was all the hype due to his size and willingness to be a gunner on the punt team and a blocker on return teams. Everyone loved the fact that even as a starter at ND he was still on the punt team because he was good at it.

What part of that story says a me first ego/player?
lol

Have you decided to follow me around today?


claypool was talking about his brand and all the same bullshit juju had been pushing.

Not to to mention the, “I’m a top 3 receiver” delusion

That was why they shipped him off. That and he was seriously underperforming

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