Or Johnny Manziel.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:29 pmHe's not a bad QB prospect, even considering the baggage. Tomlin will 100% love him though, because bloodlines/legacy and the kind of swag/arrogance that Tomlin has complimented in others over and over again. Sanders might be the most swaggy QB of all time at this stage of his career. And that *could* bode well for him. But I don't think he's a transcendent talent.
So, where does maximum swagger but less than trancendent talent get you? IDK, Baker Mayfield?
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Here’s what I think will happen…Drafting Sanders just feels like the polar opposite of the steeler way
One of the leagues bottom feeders will fire their coach at the end of the season, and think it will be good business to bring the Prime Time circus to town. Of course, Deion’s first move will be to draft his kid, likely top 3-5.
Hasn’t Deion coached him at every level along the way…jr high, high school, both college stops? Don’t see that changing now!
Given some of what's been reported out of Colorado recently, I'm skeptical. Sounds like a real mess over there.
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I mean that's less talent than Sanders has, but sure.Louis Lipps Service wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:12 pmOr Johnny Manziel.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:29 pmHe's not a bad QB prospect, even considering the baggage. Tomlin will 100% love him though, because bloodlines/legacy and the kind of swag/arrogance that Tomlin has complimented in others over and over again. Sanders might be the most swaggy QB of all time at this stage of his career. And that *could* bode well for him. But I don't think he's a transcendent talent.
So, where does maximum swagger but less than trancendent talent get you? IDK, Baker Mayfield?
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Sanders definitely has a legitimate NFL shot, isn't in the category of someone like Manziel. I'd argue based on what I've seen since his HS and Jackson days, he's ahead of where Mayfield was at this point, as well. The national media has him overhyped, but we might be hitting that under a little too hard.
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Manziel is a great comparison.
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Sanders is a pocket passer, primarily... not a big off-schedule hero ball guy like Manziel. But the self-aggrandizement... that's another story.
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Yeah; meant more of that. Last time I saw Manziel anywhere he was golfing on a YouTube channel smoking multiple cigarettes every hole.
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He did a tell-all interview on Shannon Sharpe's show a few months ago. Seems like he's in a better place now, or at least better than where he wasOrangesteel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:09 pmYeah; meant more of that. Last time I saw Manziel anywhere he was golfing on a YouTube channel smoking multiple cigarettes every hole.
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I agree, but I think it's still a fair comparison. And I think Sanders has even more potential to the Manziel route because not only does Sanders himself have that gigantic sense of entitlement, his dad does as well, and his dad has the notoriety to be an even bigger diva than his kid is. If his kid isn't starting day 1, you can bet your ass dear old dad will be in front of every microphone he can find to voice his displeasure.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:33 pmI mean that's less talent than Sanders has, but sure.Louis Lipps Service wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:12 pmOr Johnny Manziel.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:29 pm
He's not a bad QB prospect, even considering the baggage. Tomlin will 100% love him though, because bloodlines/legacy and the kind of swag/arrogance that Tomlin has complimented in others over and over again. Sanders might be the most swaggy QB of all time at this stage of his career. And that *could* bode well for him. But I don't think he's a transcendent talent.
So, where does maximum swagger but less than trancendent talent get you? IDK, Baker Mayfield?
And god forbid his son start, but struggle. Deion will be throwing every offensive teammate and coach in the organization under the bus.
Should that noise matter? No, but it does. And if he is good enough to get a second contract, you're going to have Deion acting as de facto agent and pushing his price way above what he's worth.
It's like having Manziel, but with LaVar Ball as his dad.
That seems completely plausibleJobu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:15 pmHere’s what I think will happen…Drafting Sanders just feels like the polar opposite of the steeler way
One of the leagues bottom feeders will fire their coach at the end of the season, and think it will be good business to bring the Prime Time circus to town. Of course, Deion’s first move will be to draft his kid, likely top 3-5.
Hasn’t Deion coached him at every level along the way…jr high, high school, both college stops? Don’t see that changing now!
I think Deion is finding turning around a program against the big boys, a bit tougher than expected.
He won't want the association of losing, so he'll likely jump ship before that stigma is attached.
We all understand that "the Manziel route" had as much (or way more) to do with rampant substance abuse as it did "entitlement issues," right? There really isn't a fair comparison between Manziel and Sanders to be made here, unless you just don't like the kid's dad, which apparently a lot of people don't.
Unless you spend way more time than you should listening to or reading Jason Whitlock (which is literally any time at all), not sure where we're getting "entitlement issues" with Shedeur Sanders, either.
Unless you spend way more time than you should listening to or reading Jason Whitlock (which is literally any time at all), not sure where we're getting "entitlement issues" with Shedeur Sanders, either.
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Absolutely.anpsteel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:09 pmThat seems completely plausibleJobu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:15 pmHere’s what I think will happen…Drafting Sanders just feels like the polar opposite of the steeler way
One of the leagues bottom feeders will fire their coach at the end of the season, and think it will be good business to bring the Prime Time circus to town. Of course, Deion’s first move will be to draft his kid, likely top 3-5.
Hasn’t Deion coached him at every level along the way…jr high, high school, both college stops? Don’t see that changing now!
I think Deion is finding turning around a program against the big boys, a bit tougher than expected.
He won't want the association of losing, so he'll likely jump ship before that stigma is attached.
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Why? He can't beat out Ewers. I don't get the fascination. If he was all that, he would've made Ewers transfer.Dan Smith--BYU wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:16 pmThe only college QB worth tanking for might be Manning.
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The next NFL star QB currently resides in Lincoln, Nebraska via my son's HS here in suburban Atlanta
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My big question is how he'll handle adversity. He's played at 3 different high schools and God knows he'll experience a wild ride at Nebraska.Steeldrama wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:33 amhttps://www.foxnews.com/sports/patrick- ... pelganger
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Yeah all the moving around is a red flag to me tooOhioSteeler wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:42 pmMy big question is how he'll handle adversity. He's played at 3 different high schools and God knows he'll experience a wild ride at Nebraska.Steeldrama wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:33 amhttps://www.foxnews.com/sports/patrick- ... pelganger
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strikes me as poor parenting but it’s not all that uncommon especially around Georgia
Former Georgia DT Bear Alexander who will get drafted high in this years draft another kid with many high schools and colleges
Chasing that Nil money before they even enroll in college
Buford HS recruited tbe Raiolas presumably with the help of Kirby
Dylan’s little brother the Buford starting qb this year as a sophomore
My son now a retired Buford player said the younger has an even stronger arm than big brother
Question around here is if Kirby will recruit the kid after being spurned by Dylan for Nebraska
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I agree, it really sounds like dad has tight reins on his son. Played in Texas, Arizona and finally Georgia.Steeldrama wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 1:00 pmYeah all the moving around is a red flag to me tooOhioSteeler wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:42 pmMy big question is how he'll handle adversity. He's played at 3 different high schools and God knows he'll experience a wild ride at Nebraska.Steeldrama wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:33 amhttps://www.foxnews.com/sports/patrick- ... pelganger
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strikes me as poor parenting but it’s not all that uncommon especially around Georgia
Former Georgia DT Bear Alexander who will get drafted high in this years draft another kid with many high schools and colleges
Chasing that Nil money before they even enroll in college
Buford HS recruited tbe Raiolas presumably with the help of Kirby
Dylan’s little brother the Buford starting qb this year as a sophomore
My son now a retired Buford player said the younger has an even stronger arm than big brother
Question around here is if Kirby will recruit the kid after being spurned by Dylan for Nebraska
At least from the outside, it looks like he wanted somewhere where he could immediately step into a starting role (the unfortunate reality that some of these kids expect in sports now).
He wasn't going to start at Georgia right away. Even OSU would have been a competition. Factor in his uncle on staff at Nebraska.
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He’s not eligible this yeargojira5150 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:44 pmWhy? He can't beat out Ewers. I don't get the fascination. If he was all that, he would've made Ewers transfer.Dan Smith--BYU wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:16 pmThe only college QB worth tanking for might be Manning.
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I didn't know that. Why would he not be eligible. Do you think he's as good as advertised. Is Manning a better NFL QB prospect than Carson Beck or Cameron Ward.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:28 pmHe’s not eligible this yeargojira5150 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:44 pmWhy? He can't beat out Ewers. I don't get the fascination. If he was all that, he would've made Ewers transfer.Dan Smith--BYU wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:16 pmThe only college QB worth tanking for might be Manning.
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I like the path that Manning is taking. It looks like he wants to learn and mature in a good program. Have you heard Brady's comments on the lack of solid programs that teach QBs how to play? They dumb down the systems with these chuck and duck offenses and most of the guys aren't prepared to play in the NFL at all. The more I hear Brady talk, the more I like him and it pisses me off because him being in the league probably cost us a SB or three. I'd love to have that guy in the front office.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:28 pmHe’s not eligible this yeargojira5150 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:44 pmWhy? He can't beat out Ewers. I don't get the fascination. If he was all that, he would've made Ewers transfer.Dan Smith--BYU wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:16 pmThe only college QB worth tanking for might be Manning.
Here's a vid of him talking about it:
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Manning is a true Sophomore and unless I messed something, you have to be a redshirt Soph or at least out of HS for 3 years.gojira5150 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:21 pmI didn't know that. Why would he not be eligible. Do you think he's as good as advertised. Is Manning a better NFL QB prospect than Carson Beck or Cameron Ward.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:28 pmHe’s not eligible this yeargojira5150 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:44 pm
Why? He can't beat out Ewers. I don't get the fascination. If he was all that, he would've made Ewers transfer.
Manning might be great... no way to tell yet. Also, he should have been named the starter over Ewers and Ewers should have transferred. Not really sure how they let that happen.
Personally, I think Cam Ward is the best of the bunch, so I'm not the right person to be asking this question. Anyway, the right question is: which of these QBs is transcendent enough to overcome Mike Tomlin and the rest of the shortcomings?
Beyond Ward, I maintain that a big season from Taylen Green at Arkansas could vault him into the top "dual-threat", athletic QB that I'm guessing they'd prefer for this offense. He could be out of the NFL in 3 years but he also might be the most exciting QB in the League in 3.
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I’m pretty sure Manning isn’t draft eligible until 2026
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Well, a Prime BR7 couldn't overcome ole MT in the 2010's so there's that. I hope you are correct about Cam Ward. He sounds like a QB Steelers could draft especially if they have a 4-5 win season.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:19 pmManning is a true Sophomore and unless I messed something, you have to be a redshirt Soph or at least out of HS for 3 years.gojira5150 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:21 pmI didn't know that. Why would he not be eligible. Do you think he's as good as advertised. Is Manning a better NFL QB prospect than Carson Beck or Cameron Ward.
Manning might be great... no way to tell yet. Also, he should have been named the starter over Ewers and Ewers should have transferred. Not really sure how they let that happen.
Personally, I think Cam Ward is the best of the bunch, so I'm not the right person to be asking this question. Anyway, the right question is: which of these QBs is transcendent enough to overcome Mike Tomlin and the rest of the shortcomings?
Beyond Ward, I maintain that a big season from Taylen Green at Arkansas could vault him into the top "dual-threat", athletic QB that I'm guessing they'd prefer for this offense. He could be out of the NFL in 3 years but he also might be the most exciting QB in the League in 3.
Sounds like Taylen Green is the next Anthony Richardson.
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Somewhere between Richardson and Josh Allen. He’s ahead of both as a passer; maybe not the same arm strength but still pretty toolsy.gojira5150 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 4:57 amWell, a Prime BR7 couldn't overcome ole MT in the 2010's so there's that. I hope you are correct about Cam Ward. He sounds like a QB Steelers could draft especially if they have a 4-5 win season.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:19 pmManning is a true Sophomore and unless I messed something, you have to be a redshirt Soph or at least out of HS for 3 years.gojira5150 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 4:21 pm
I didn't know that. Why would he not be eligible. Do you think he's as good as advertised. Is Manning a better NFL QB prospect than Carson Beck or Cameron Ward.
Manning might be great... no way to tell yet. Also, he should have been named the starter over Ewers and Ewers should have transferred. Not really sure how they let that happen.
Personally, I think Cam Ward is the best of the bunch, so I'm not the right person to be asking this question. Anyway, the right question is: which of these QBs is transcendent enough to overcome Mike Tomlin and the rest of the shortcomings?
Beyond Ward, I maintain that a big season from Taylen Green at Arkansas could vault him into the top "dual-threat", athletic QB that I'm guessing they'd prefer for this offense. He could be out of the NFL in 3 years but he also might be the most exciting QB in the League in 3.
Sounds like Taylen Green is the next Anthony Richardson.
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Claypool was all the hype due to his size and willingness to be a gunner on the punt team and a blocker on return teams. Everyone loved the fact that even as a starter at ND he was still on the punt team because he was good at it.
What part of that story says a me first ego/player?
lolstillthere wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:33 pmClaypool was all the hype due to his size and willingness to be a gunner on the punt team and a blocker on return teams. Everyone loved the fact that even as a starter at ND he was still on the punt team because he was good at it.
What part of that story says a me first ego/player?
Have you decided to follow me around today?
claypool was talking about his brand and all the same bullshit juju had been pushing.
Not to to mention the, “I’m a top 3 receiver” delusion
That was why they shipped him off. That and he was seriously underperforming
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