Pretty obvious that Levis > Kenny

[steelclan]

Mm...Levis definitely has more arm talent but he what he turns out to be is open for debate.

Despite the ball washing from Comms last night? He was bad. A few nice throws doesn't take away from the fact he threw by my count 5 passes that should've been picked off.

Is he better than Pickett? Well, fair to say he flashes more upside but I'd hold off on the parade. Against better secondaries if he plays way he did v PS? Levis is going to have a ton of growing pains.

[K_C_]

Mm...Levis definitely has more arm talent but he what he turns out to be is open for debate.

Despite the ball washing from Comms last night? He was bad. A few nice throws doesn't take away from the fact he threw by my count 5 passes that should've been picked off.

Is he better than Pickett? Well, fair to say he flashes more upside but I'd hold off on the parade. Against better secondaries if he plays way he did v PS? Levis is going to have a ton of growing pains.

Brock Trubisky’s gold jacket is on hold too.

[yygy]

Levis has potentially an elite level moonball. I haven’t seen so much huck and chuck since duck said fuck.

But as joe Flacco said 50 yards is 50 yards!

Really levis is a good young prospect. We’ll see if he has the kind of success Kenny has had over first twenty games

[zeke5123]

Another well aged post.

Anyone who watched that game tonight and thinks Pickett is a better player than Levis... I truly, genuinely don't know what the hell you're seeing.

Exactly what I saw. Caught myself saying "Ohhh, that's what a young QB with actual potential looks like". As others said, Levis made almost as many big boy throws in that game as Kenny has his entire career.

Despite the win, and one of Kenny's better games, last night I gave up hope on him being any more than a Mike Tomczak-type.

He had something like a 5.3 YPA. It was a really bad game.

Had by my count about five misses of really easy passes. Every QB misses a throw every once in a while. But Pickett isn't missing a throw once or twice a game. He is missing easy throws 4-6 times a game. He also isn't making too many wow throws.

[zeke5123]

Levis has potentially an elite level moonball. I haven’t seen so much huck and chuck since duck said fuck.

But as joe Flacco said 50 yards is 50 yards!

Really levis is a good young prospect. We’ll see if he has the kind of success Kenny has had over first twenty games

He didn't remind of Flacco. He reminded me a bit of Jay Cutler who could throw that fade away with zip. He does seem a bit more quick processing compared to the Cutler and maybe a bit faster. Good prospect.

He has already had more success than Pickett. It isn't hard.

[Kodiak.]

He had something like a 5.3 YPA. It was a really bad game.

Had by my count about five misses of really easy passes. Every QB misses a throw every once in a while. But Pickett isn't missing a throw once or twice a game. He is missing easy throws 4-6 times a game. He also isn't making too many wow throws.

Yeah, his completion% is inflated because of all the short throws.

But in addition to not seeing the field well, slow to process, hesitancy....he just flat out doesn't throw accurately enough over 10 yards. He's been able to do just enough to win some close games, but teams with better defenses will completely shut him down.

And if they do make the playoffs, defenses are going to study him more closely and have an even better plan. He's not shown the arm talent or mental acuity to carve-up a defense. The evidence is becoming overwhelming that Pickett is one of the worst starting QBs in the league....and truthfully only about 15 or so QBs are good enough to be long-term starters, which Kenny isn't.

[zeke5123]

He had something like a 5.3 YPA. It was a really bad game.

Had by my count about five misses of really easy passes. Every QB misses a throw every once in a while. But Pickett isn't missing a throw once or twice a game. He is missing easy throws 4-6 times a game. He also isn't making too many wow throws.

Yeah, his completion% is inflated because of all the short throws.

But in addition to not seeing the field well, slow to process, hesitancy....he just flat out doesn't throw accurately enough over 10 yards. He's been able to do just enough to win some close games, but teams with better defenses will completely shut him down.

And if they do make the playoffs, defenses are going to study him more closely and have an even better plan. He's not shown the arm talent or mental acuity to carve-up a defense. The evidence is becoming overwhelming that Pickett is one of the worst starting QBs in the league....and truthfully only about 15 or so QBs are good enough to be long-term starters, which Kenny isn't.

The bigger problem is when a team just gets up big on the Steelers. If the Steelers are down 20-3 at halftime...the defense will have an easy job against Pickett.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Sideline throw to DJ was an A+ throw

Non-TD to Pickens was a A throw.

First down to DJ on first drive was a B throw (B only because that should be routine in the NFL if you are starting-caliber).

The rest of his completions were basic throws that to function in the NFL as a STARTER you have to be able to make in your sleep with a clean pocket.

He missed a lot because his processing and anticipation are slow. He’s not calm back there. He’s been under fire and getting his ass kicked that cannot be ignored. But how quickly his mind can snap out of that is a huge part of his development and whether he’s going to be worth holding onto.

Jobu asked “why do we give a shit about comparing him to Levis” (paraphrase)

The current NFL; no easier/quicker path to becoming a contender than hitting on a QB. Unless you have a perfect system (we don’t, and we won’t because of Tomlin and NHALS), you need a QB that can take over and win you games with his arm.

Kenny has yet to show he is that guy.

The throw to DJ on the sidelines was the exact same quality of throw in which Austin soiled the bed.

Please Furians have some consistency!

Bitch about not leading DJ enough on the 4th QTR sideline route too, and he only caught it because he kept his arms down until the last split second. And then you can bitch about the slight under throw to Austin as well.

Or they were both great throws and both should have been caught by an NFL WR!

I will bitch about the receivers 30%, KP 20% and Canada 50%!

I am going to chalk up a ribs injury game (By the way you can’t even sleep with rib injuries unless you are strung up like the donors in “Coma”!) to some accuracy issues. Shooter keeps shooting, passer keeps passing!

KP had 2 awful throws one to DJ, and one to GP.

Then KP had throws that if the receivers brought their B+ game, would have been made…Austin throw, Harris flats, DJ end zone, GP end zone.

Now if KP brings his A game, unlikely with a run injury, then all those passes still would have not been completions.


I actually loved the throw in the dirt in the end zone. It bizarrely reminded me of a junk pitch in baseball that you get the batter swinging on, but no chance of a dinger. Robinson had a chance, but was covered with a blanket, and KP still gave him a 40% chance with zero chance for INT in the end zone. Good situational throw?

[zeke5123]

Sideline throw to DJ was an A+ throw

Non-TD to Pickens was a A throw.

First down to DJ on first drive was a B throw (B only because that should be routine in the NFL if you are starting-caliber).

The rest of his completions were basic throws that to function in the NFL as a STARTER you have to be able to make in your sleep with a clean pocket.

He missed a lot because his processing and anticipation are slow. He’s not calm back there. He’s been under fire and getting his ass kicked that cannot be ignored. But how quickly his mind can snap out of that is a huge part of his development and whether he’s going to be worth holding onto.

Jobu asked “why do we give a shit about comparing him to Levis” (paraphrase)

The current NFL; no easier/quicker path to becoming a contender than hitting on a QB. Unless you have a perfect system (we don’t, and we won’t because of Tomlin and NHALS), you need a QB that can take over and win you games with his arm.

Kenny has yet to show he is that guy.

The throw to DJ on the sidelines was the exact same quality of throw in which Austin soiled the bed.

Please Furians have some consistency!

Bitch about not leading DJ enough on the 4th QTR sideline route too, and he only caught it because he kept his arms down until the last split second. And then you can bitch about the slight under throw to Austin as well.

Or they were both great throws and both should have been caught by an NFL WR!

I will bitch about the receivers 30%, KP 20% and Canada 50%!

I am going to chalk up a ribs injury game (By the way you can’t even sleep with rib injuries unless you are strung up like the donors in “Coma”!) to some accuracy issues. Shooter keeps shooting, passer keeps passing!

KP had 2 awful throws one to DJ, and one to GP.

Then KP had throws that if the receivers brought their B+ game, would have been made…Austin throw, Harris flats, DJ end zone, GP end zone.

Now if KP brings his A game, unlikely with a run injury, then all those passes still would have not been completions.


I actually loved the throw in the dirt in the end zone. It bizarrely reminded me of a junk pitch in baseball that you get the batter swinging on, but no chance of a dinger. Robinson had a chance, but was covered with a blanket, and KP still gave him a 40% chance with zero chance for INT in the end zone. Good situational throw?

I am not even sure the defender didn't get a hand on the ball to Austin. I went back and looked and it looked like the defender had a slight deflection The bigger issue there is a slow LB was on our fast WR and Pickett missed the pass by five yards. Instead Austin had to slow down and come back to try to catch a pass.

[zeke5123]

Sideline throw to DJ was an A+ throw

Non-TD to Pickens was a A throw.

First down to DJ on first drive was a B throw (B only because that should be routine in the NFL if you are starting-caliber).

The rest of his completions were basic throws that to function in the NFL as a STARTER you have to be able to make in your sleep with a clean pocket.

He missed a lot because his processing and anticipation are slow. He’s not calm back there. He’s been under fire and getting his ass kicked that cannot be ignored. But how quickly his mind can snap out of that is a huge part of his development and whether he’s going to be worth holding onto.

Jobu asked “why do we give a shit about comparing him to Levis” (paraphrase)

The current NFL; no easier/quicker path to becoming a contender than hitting on a QB. Unless you have a perfect system (we don’t, and we won’t because of Tomlin and NHALS), you need a QB that can take over and win you games with his arm.

Kenny has yet to show he is that guy.

The throw to DJ on the sidelines was the exact same quality of throw in which Austin soiled the bed.

Please Furians have some consistency!

Bitch about not leading DJ enough on the 4th QTR sideline route too, and he only caught it because he kept his arms down until the last split second. And then you can bitch about the slight under throw to Austin as well.

Or they were both great throws and both should have been caught by an NFL WR!

I will bitch about the receivers 30%, KP 20% and Canada 50%!

I am going to chalk up a ribs injury game (By the way you can’t even sleep with rib injuries unless you are strung up like the donors in “Coma”!) to some accuracy issues. Shooter keeps shooting, passer keeps passing!

KP had 2 awful throws one to DJ, and one to GP.

Then KP had throws that if the receivers brought their B+ game, would have been made…Austin throw, Harris flats, DJ end zone, GP end zone.

Now if KP brings his A game, unlikely with a run injury, then all those passes still would have not been completions.


I actually loved the throw in the dirt in the end zone. It bizarrely reminded me of a junk pitch in baseball that you get the batter swinging on, but no chance of a dinger. Robinson had a chance, but was covered with a blanket, and KP still gave him a 40% chance with zero chance for INT in the end zone. Good situational throw?

You also forgot the not even replacement shitty throw to Allen Robinson in the EZ where he actually had two guys open and still fucked it up.

[955876]

Reality is Kenny is playing like a backup QB, and that just might be his ceiling.

Looks very much like the game manager the media tried to make Ben out to be but wasn’t.

[14Thumb]

I actually loved the throw in the dirt in the end zone. It bizarrely reminded me of a junk pitch in baseball that you get the batter swinging on, but no chance of a dinger. Robinson had a chance, but was covered with a blanket, and KP still gave him a 40% chance with zero chance for INT in the end zone. Good situational throw?

You're nicer than me. The only thing to like about that throw is it didn't lead to an interception. Let's talk about how late he was in throwing that particular ball. Heyward was open early for a sure TD. Happy for zero chance of an INT is like Tomlin's strategy of playing for a FG rather than getting the TD.

That throw to Austin. Awful and a really big miss. Do you know how hard it is to be running full speed and slow down to catch the ball while a LBer is barrelling down on you? Should he have had it? Perhaps. An NFL QB NEEDS to make that throw though.

I want KP to be the guy. I really do. His decision making/processing and arm strength are not giving me franchise QB vibes. I hope I'm wrong.

[Orangesteel]

Lakecrest, your assessment of the Austin underthrow is patently false.

The sideline throw to DJ was perfect; best throw of night with Pickens non toe drag second.

Austin was FLYING down the middle and had to pump his breaks to try and make a play on the ball. Al-Shaair was on an island and due to the underthrow essentially shielded Austin’s vision for a second making it a tough catch.

That ball is thrown better than Austin scores. Al -Shaair is good but he ain’t that good.

[Orangesteel]

I actually loved the throw in the dirt in the end zone. It bizarrely reminded me of a junk pitch in baseball that you get the batter swinging on, but no chance of a dinger. Robinson had a chance, but was covered with a blanket, and KP still gave him a 40% chance with zero chance for INT in the end zone. Good situational throw?

You're nicer than me. The only thing to like about that throw is it didn't lead to an interception. Let's talk about how late he was in throwing that particular ball. Heyward was open early for a sure TD.

That throw to Austin. Awful and a really big miss. Do you know how hard it is to be running full speed and slow down to catch the ball while a LBer is barrelling down on you? Should he have had it? Perhaps. An NFL QB NEEDS to make that throw though.

I want KP to be the guy. I really do. His decision making/processing and arm strength are not giving me franchise QB vibes. I hope I'm wrong.

THIS x1000

[zeke5123]

I actually loved the throw in the dirt in the end zone. It bizarrely reminded me of a junk pitch in baseball that you get the batter swinging on, but no chance of a dinger. Robinson had a chance, but was covered with a blanket, and KP still gave him a 40% chance with zero chance for INT in the end zone. Good situational throw?

You're nicer than me. The only thing to like about that throw is it didn't lead to an interception. Let's talk about how late he was in throwing that particular ball. Heyward was open early for a sure TD.

That throw to Austin. Awful and a really big miss. Do you know how hard it is to be running full speed and slow down to catch the ball while a LBer is barrelling down on you? Should he have had it? Perhaps. An NFL QB NEEDS to make that throw though.

I want KP to be the guy. I really do. His decision making/processing and arm strength are not giving me franchise QB vibes. I hope I'm wrong.

THIS x1000

It is bizarre. That is a normal RZ kind of throw. Guy had room in front of him. You lead and give Robinson a chance to make a catch. Ben gets you a TD there. Mahomes gets you a TD. Ryan Tannehill might get you a TD there. It is a throw a starting QB has to be able to make.

Ball washers washing balls I guess.

[TTP]

Lakecrest, your assessment of the Austin underthrow is patently false.

The sideline throw to DJ was perfect; best throw of night with Pickens non toe drag second.

Austin was FLYING down the middle and had to pump his breaks to try and make a play on the ball. Al-Shaair was on an island and due to the underthrow essentially shielded Austin’s vision for a second making it a tough catch.

That ball is thrown better than Austin scores. Al -Shaair is good but he ain’t that good.

I saw the all-22 of the Austin throw and it's way worse than appeared on TV. Austin had 3+ yards of separation and was pulling away. Wide open by NFL standards. A good throw was an easy TD. It's unclear but looks to me like the defender deflected the ball on the way in to Austin.

[TTP]

Reality is Kenny is playing like a backup QB, and that just might be his ceiling.

Looks very much like the game manager the media tried to make Ben out to be but wasn’t.

Uh, Kenny has a ways to go to get to Game Manager status.

[Orangesteel]

Lakecrest, your assessment of the Austin underthrow is patently false.

The sideline throw to DJ was perfect; best throw of night with Pickens non toe drag second.

Austin was FLYING down the middle and had to pump his breaks to try and make a play on the ball. Al-Shaair was on an island and due to the underthrow essentially shielded Austin’s vision for a second making it a tough catch.

That ball is thrown better than Austin scores. Al -Shaair is good but he ain’t that good.

I saw the all-22 of the Austin throw and it's way worse than appeared on TV. Austin had 3+ yards of separation and was pulling away. Wide open by NFL standards. A good throw was an easy TD. It's unclear but looks to me like the defender deflected the ball on the way in to Austin.

Yes, might have been that too. I couldn’t tell if Al-Shaair deflected it, but if he did, he was only able to because the ball was underthrown.

[Mick]

Lakecrest, your assessment of the Austin underthrow is patently false.

The sideline throw to DJ was perfect; best throw of night with Pickens non toe drag second.

Austin was FLYING down the middle and had to pump his breaks to try and make a play on the ball. Al-Shaair was on an island and due to the underthrow essentially shielded Austin’s vision for a second making it a tough catch.

That ball is thrown better than Austin scores. Al -Shaair is good but he ain’t that good.

I saw the all-22 of the Austin throw and it's way worse than appeared on TV. Austin had 3+ yards of separation and was pulling away. Wide open by NFL standards. A good throw was an easy TD. It's unclear but looks to me like the defender deflected the ball on the way in to Austin.

Yes, might have been that too. I couldn’t tell if Al-Shaair deflected it, but if he did, he was only able to because the ball was underthrown.

3 yards of separation? The LB was ahead of him in the route. Our speed receiver lost a footrace with a no name LB, ball somehow gets through to him, and he drops it.

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[LakecrestSteeler]

I actually loved the throw in the dirt in the end zone. It bizarrely reminded me of a junk pitch in baseball that you get the batter swinging on, but no chance of a dinger. Robinson had a chance, but was covered with a blanket, and KP still gave him a 40% chance with zero chance for INT in the end zone. Good situational throw?

You're nicer than me. The only thing to like about that throw is it didn't lead to an interception. Let's talk about how late he was in throwing that particular ball. Heyward was open early for a sure TD. Happy for zero chance of an INT is like Tomlin's strategy of playing for a FG rather than getting the TD.

That throw to Austin. Awful and a really big miss. Do you know how hard it is to be running full speed and slow down to catch the ball while a LBer is barrelling down on you? Should he have had it? Perhaps. An NFL QB NEEDS to make that throw though.

I want KP to be the guy. I really do. His decision making/processing and arm strength are not giving me franchise QB vibes. I hope I'm wrong.

I said the same in the game thread about Heyward. But went back and watched the replays and not sure he gets in the end zone.

Disclaimer, like the Austin drop, you can’t tell definitely either way because the replays were awful. Heyward route loses continuity due to switching cameras in the booth.

Heyward looks wide open, but when he is on the goal line there are 3 people all over him. So I don’t think Kenny threw to Heyward for fear of him coming up short. We certainly would have bitched had he come up short.

I am not being kind to Kenny and sure others would have scored there….but 4th quarter, the pressure keeps building….no critical turnovers…don’t make mistakes…take a chance but don’t allow an INT. With this group of wide receivers, who the hell knows what happens. I am just impressed by the string of consecutive plays and games he puts together without turnovers. Pickett has to annoy the hell out of opposing fans always, in addition to our fans except for the 4th quarter.

Now dear lord if we could just have a collision of Kenny’s A game with two receiver’s having an A game….it is not much to ask! Surely at some point this offense can go up 14 and release the reins!

[LakecrestSteeler]

Lakecrest, your assessment of the Austin underthrow is patently false.

The sideline throw to DJ was perfect; best throw of night with Pickens non toe drag second.

Austin was FLYING down the middle and had to pump his breaks to try and make a play on the ball. Al-Shaair was on an island and due to the underthrow essentially shielded Austin’s vision for a second making it a tough catch.

That ball is thrown better than Austin scores. Al -Shaair is good but he ain’t that good.

I thought there were visibility issues with DJ’s catch too…it dropped into his hands with a bit of luck and skill is my point with some disappearing ball at the end of the throw. Could have easily been swatted away. I will rewatch.

I just felt like they were both makable catches, but with a decent degree of difficulty. And both could have been better throws. At some point WRs gotta do more to help KP and KP has gotta do more to help WRs. A clash of A games is coming!

Those are the catches that AJ Brown last year and the 49ers were making all game long to wallop us.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Levis has potentially an elite level moonball. I haven’t seen so much huck and chuck since duck said fuck.

But as joe Flacco said 50 yards is 50 yards!

Really levis is a good young prospect. We’ll see if he has the kind of success Kenny has had over first twenty games

Will Levis’ Billy Jeans were Jordache last night!

[gojira5150]

Sideline throw to DJ was an A+ throw

Non-TD to Pickens was a A throw.

First down to DJ on first drive was a B throw (B only because that should be routine in the NFL if you are starting-caliber).

The rest of his completions were basic throws that to function in the NFL as a STARTER you have to be able to make in your sleep with a clean pocket.

He missed a lot because his processing and anticipation are slow. He’s not calm back there. He’s been under fire and getting his ass kicked that cannot be ignored. But how quickly his mind can snap out of that is a huge part of his development and whether he’s going to be worth holding onto.

Jobu asked “why do we give a shit about comparing him to Levis” (paraphrase)

The current NFL; no easier/quicker path to becoming a contender than hitting on a QB. Unless you have a perfect system (we don’t, and we won’t because of Tomlin and NHALS), you need a QB that can take over and win you games with his arm.

Kenny has yet to show he is that guy.

The throw to DJ on the sidelines was the exact same quality of throw in which Austin soiled the bed.

Please Furians have some consistency!

Bitch about not leading DJ enough on the 4th QTR sideline route too, and he only caught it because he kept his arms down until the last split second. And then you can bitch about the slight under throw to Austin as well.

Or they were both great throws and both should have been caught by an NFL WR!

I will bitch about the receivers 30%, KP 20% and Canada 50%!

I am going to chalk up a ribs injury game (By the way you can’t even sleep with rib injuries unless you are strung up like the donors in “Coma”!) to some accuracy issues. Shooter keeps shooting, passer keeps passing!

KP had 2 awful throws one to DJ, and one to GP.

Then KP had throws that if the receivers brought their B+ game, would have been made…Austin throw, Harris flats, DJ end zone, GP end zone.

Now if KP brings his A game, unlikely with a run injury, then all those passes still would have not been completions.


I actually loved the throw in the dirt in the end zone. It bizarrely reminded me of a junk pitch in baseball that you get the batter swinging on, but no chance of a dinger. Robinson had a chance, but was covered with a blanket, and KP still gave him a 40% chance with zero chance for INT in the end zone. Good situational throw?

You do realize Heyward was WIDE Open in front of KP8 on that play. Watch the play again. Heyward would have walked in untouched.

[Kodiak.]

I just felt like they were both makable catches, but with a decent degree of difficulty. And both could have been better throws. At some point WRs gotta do more to help KP and KP has gotta do more to help WRs. A clash of A games is coming!

Those are the catches that AJ Brown last year and the 49ers were making all game long to wallop us.

You guys are expecting a level of execution that almost no team does consistently.

Receivers have not had above-average issues dropping passes. IMO, they've probably been a bit better than average on the drops and dragging feet. Other than DJ slipping a few times that one week, Kenny is not being hurt by his receivers.

Kenny isn't getting "help" from his receivers because they haven't been playing poorly. But Kenny has. And after a year and a half, I'm not sure if Kenny has an "A" game, or if we haven't already seen close to his best.

[955876]

Reality is Kenny is playing like a backup QB, and that just might be his ceiling.

Looks very much like the game manager the media tried to make Ben out to be but wasn’t.

Uh, Kenny has a ways to go to get to Game Manager status.

Don’t disagree. He’s been very unimpressive.

Made some plays sure. The 4th quarter comebacks are nice.

But is it too much to ask to have him put up something better than the extremely meager & pedestrian stats the other three quarters?

[Deebo]

I don't hate KP and I want him to succeed. But I see no elite traits from him. With other QB's you have 1 or 2 balls per game where you go "wow, pretty damn good throw"

I can't say I've said that once in his 12+ games as a pro. Just not seeing it

[jmacinwbp]

I've been a Kenny defender but damn he missed a shit ton of easy throws tonight with no pressure in the pocket. As easy as throws get. Can't blame that on Canada.

Agreed, if things didn't turn around at the end of the third and the fourth, I was going to post as much, and add even if the ribs were the problem, then that's on KP8 for saying he was good to go. But the trend of 4th quarter play displayed again, just can't be ignored.

He made 1 fuckin throw in the 4th quarter. Is that a trend?

Nope, the trend is that he made the number of throws his team needed him to make for another come from behind 4th Q win. And the opposing Qb didn't. Nothing more, nothing less, why is that so difficult to see, and gets some people all riled up?

[zeke5123]

Looks very much like the game manager the media tried to make Ben out to be but wasn’t.

Uh, Kenny has a ways to go to get to Game Manager status.

Don’t disagree. He’s been very unimpressive.

Made some plays sure. The 4th quarter comebacks are nice.

But is it too much to ask to have him put up something better than the extremely meager & pedestrian stats the other three quarters?

Calling it "extremely meager & pedestrian" is underselling. Again, Kenny Pickett had a 5.3 YPA last night. 6 is dogshit. When Kenny Pickett threw the ball, we advanced like a good running team would advance. Pathetic.

[zeke5123]

Agreed, if things didn't turn around at the end of the third and the fourth, I was going to post as much, and add even if the ribs were the problem, then that's on KP8 for saying he was good to go. But the trend of 4th quarter play displayed again, just can't be ignored.

He made 1 fuckin throw in the 4th quarter. Is that a trend?

Nope, the trend is that he made the number of throws his team needed him to make for another come from behind 4th Q win. And the opposing Qb didn't. Nothing more, nothing less, why is that so difficult to see, and gets some people all riled up?

Because over the long haul, Pickett's shit play will mean many games are well out of reach by Q4. Every year there are teams that luck into close wins. They never go far and always underperform the next year.

[Mick]

Looks very much like the game manager the media tried to make Ben out to be but wasn’t.

Uh, Kenny has a ways to go to get to Game Manager status.

Don’t disagree. He’s been very unimpressive.

Made some plays sure. The 4th quarter comebacks are nice.

But is it too much to ask to have him put up something better than the extremely meager & pedestrian stats the other three quarters?

Ben in 2021 (under Canada), QB rating by quarter:
1st: 63.0
2nd: 85.7
3rd: 76.6
4th: 109.6

Kenny (2023):
1st: 49.7 (!)
2nd: 77.7
3rd: 91.6
4th: 108.2