The final analysis on Kenny Pickett 2022-23

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Re: The final analysis on Kenny Pickett 2022-23

Post by K_C_ » Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:34 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:12 pm
Does he feel the need to bow down and praise Perch and B2B on every one of their posts?

Does doing that give him an extra 10% off in the Fury online store? I know he had his eye on some Steeler pajamas.
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Post by anpsteel » Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:38 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:46 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:41 pm
K_C_ wrote:
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That's what I find really sad about that filthy cunt Joe Flacco losing yesterday.

The Steelers 100% could have pulled off an upset or 2 in these playoffs. Zero doubt about it.

The defense has been excellent. Najee and Jaylen have been running like Richard Pryor with his hair on fire and KP has been clutch as all fuck.

The Dolphins getting in is a joke. Tua is not expected to play in that game in Buffalo and even if he does, dude was AWFUL before they shut him down and literally looked like he was playing drunk.
If they were in, they'd be playing the Bills.

The only question there would be, do they lose by more than 14 points
I disagree. I think the Steelers would have a real shot at beating the Bills.

We beat them on the road to start last season even though Ben struggled mightily for 3 quarters. Our defense, which finished the season playing outstanding football, kept that game close. Watt looks like his old self. Highsmith is a significantly better player. Our o-line is far better than the one Ben had in front of him and the running game has been outstanding.

This is a very, very different team than the one the Bills crushed earlier in the year. Very, very different.

The Dolphins are going to lose 45-6. They might as well not even show up. The Steelers can play with anybody right now.
I generally respect your opinions, but I don't agree on this at all.

I don't think this team is any different than the beginning of the season, except Harris is more healthy and Pickett has a bit more experience.

The line is still mediocre

The play calling is still atrocious

The defense still cant stop the run if they also have to stop a legitimate passing threat.

and lastly, Mike Tomlin is still at the helm

This team isn't as good as the prior years teams led with a much better Oline and QB, and generally a better defense. How can you assume they'd fair any better against the top teams??

They'd get blown out-

The "improvement" we saw over the 2nd half of the season was a function of playing other shitty teams with other shitty QBs.

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Post by SteelPro » Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:12 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:38 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:46 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:41 pm


If they were in, they'd be playing the Bills.

The only question there would be, do they lose by more than 14 points
I disagree. I think the Steelers would have a real shot at beating the Bills.

We beat them on the road to start last season even though Ben struggled mightily for 3 quarters. Our defense, which finished the season playing outstanding football, kept that game close. Watt looks like his old self. Highsmith is a significantly better player. Our o-line is far better than the one Ben had in front of him and the running game has been outstanding.

This is a very, very different team than the one the Bills crushed earlier in the year. Very, very different.

The Dolphins are going to lose 45-6. They might as well not even show up. The Steelers can play with anybody right now.
I generally respect your opinions, but I don't agree on this at all.

I don't think this team is any different than the beginning of the season, except Harris is more healthy and Pickett has a bit more experience.

The line is still mediocre

The play calling is still atrocious

The defense still cant stop the run if they also have to stop a legitimate passing threat.

and lastly, Mike Tomlin is still at the helm

This team isn't as good as the prior years teams led with a much better Oline and QB, and generally a better defense. How can you assume they'd fair any better against the top teams??

They'd get blown out-

The "improvement" we saw over the 2nd half of the season was a function of playing other shitty teams with other shitty QBs.
The one thing that could have made a difference is the team has played much better early in games than last year. I know they weren’t putting up many points. But they weren’t starting games with 3 and outs week after week. A large reason for the playoff blow outs is how poorly they started games. I’m not saying they would have had a real shot against any of the top teams in the AFC, but I think they would have gotten out of the gate better this year.
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Post by lifelongsteel » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:39 pm

Bills just struggled against the Pats. needed 2 kickoff returns.

The Steelers could have competed
- Watt playing
- KP much improved
- new found running game

obviously we won't know . . . but this would have been a one score game.

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Post by Mick » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:58 pm

In the secondary,
Edmunds
Kazee
Sutton
Witherspoon
Wallace

(I.e., 5 of our top 6 DBs)

Were all out with injury for much or all of the Bills game this year. Whole lotta Norwood and Maulet that week.

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Post by Jizz Mop » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:03 pm

lifelongsteel wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:39 pm
Bills just struggled against the Pats. needed 2 kickoff returns.

The Steelers could have competed
- Watt playing
- KP much improved
- new found running game

obviously we won't know . . . but this would have been a one score game.
With Tomlin as our HC we can outplay, out-scheme and outthink anyone

Buffalo got lucky they didn’t have to face MT in the playoffs

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Post by K_C_ » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:09 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:38 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:46 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:41 pm


If they were in, they'd be playing the Bills.

The only question there would be, do they lose by more than 14 points
I disagree. I think the Steelers would have a real shot at beating the Bills.

We beat them on the road to start last season even though Ben struggled mightily for 3 quarters. Our defense, which finished the season playing outstanding football, kept that game close. Watt looks like his old self. Highsmith is a significantly better player. Our o-line is far better than the one Ben had in front of him and the running game has been outstanding.

This is a very, very different team than the one the Bills crushed earlier in the year. Very, very different.

The Dolphins are going to lose 45-6. They might as well not even show up. The Steelers can play with anybody right now.
I generally respect your opinions, but I don't agree on this at all.

I don't think this team is any different than the beginning of the season, except Harris is more healthy and Pickett has a bit more experience.

The line is still mediocre

The play calling is still atrocious

The defense still cant stop the run if they also have to stop a legitimate passing threat.

and lastly, Mike Tomlin is still at the helm

This team isn't as good as the prior years teams led with a much better Oline and QB, and generally a better defense. How can you assume they'd fair any better against the top teams??

They'd get blown out-

The "improvement" we saw over the 2nd half of the season was a function of playing other shitty teams with other shitty QBs.
Again....they beat Buffalo in Buffalo just last season, with Ben playing poorly for 3 quarters.

Why did we beat Buffalo? Some guy that wears #90 tortured Josh Allen for 4 quarters and TJ was out for the game this year.

Kenny played poorly, which is expected, but Diontae Johnson played possibly the worst game of his career and REALLY fucked over his young QB, especially early when the game was still in doubt.

Buffalo really isn't that scary. Tua should have beaten them in Buffalo not that long ago. Tua beat them in Miami. As lifelong just pointed out, Buffalo needed two freaking kickoff returns, at home, to barely subdue Mac Jones and the Pats.

You seriously don't think with our ground game, which had been firing on all cylinders late in the season, Kenny taking care of the ball and playing clutch for around 6 weeks and with Watt near the top of his game again and Highsmith playing like a Pro Bowler, you don't think we would have had a shot in Buffalo?

I'm not saying we win, but we would have one helluva shot to come out of there with a win.

Zero question about it. Allen would be running for his life.
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Post by stillthere » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:06 am

Mick wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:43 pm
I had viewed “a 2nd TE that can catch and run in case we lose Muth for a few games” as a key need,

But watching Connor Heyward yesterday, he might be as good a ‘backup route running TE’ as any team has for that luxury position.
Plus he was a running back in college and will block. His stature actually helps him in blocking due to his being shorter similar to Jaylen Warren. Heyward was a really good AAU hoops player as well. I remember Pickett saying that they were trying to get Connor to Pitt when he was going to enter the transfer portal.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:17 am

Mick wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:58 pm
In the secondary,
Edmunds
Kazee
Sutton
Witherspoon
Wallace

(I.e., 5 of our top 6 DBs)

Were all out with injury for much or all of the Bills game this year. Whole lotta Norwood and Maulet that week.
BUF DVOA: 35.0% better than average (1st), weighted
DVOA (how they were playing late in the season) 34.9% better than avg (2nd).

PIT DVOA 0.9% above NFL avg (14th) weighted 4.7% above avg (14th)
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Post by Jobu » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:18 am

stillthere wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:06 am
Mick wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:43 pm
I had viewed “a 2nd TE that can catch and run in case we lose Muth for a few games” as a key need,

But watching Connor Heyward yesterday, he might be as good a ‘backup route running TE’ as any team has for that luxury position.
Plus he was a running back in college and will block. His stature actually helps him in blocking due to his being shorter similar to Jaylen Warren. Heyward was a really good AAU hoops player as well. I remember Pickett saying that they were trying to get Connor to Pitt when he was going to enter the transfer portal.
MSU tried Heyward as a lead blocker FB. The experiment didn’t last long because he was not good at it.
He has one useful skill set, and that’s as a pass catcher. And his small stature makes him nothing more than a situational TE.
He had a nice game yesterday, but that’s all it was… don’t get caught up in the afterglow.

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Post by stillthere » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:36 am

Jobu wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:18 am
stillthere wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:06 am
Mick wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:43 pm
I had viewed “a 2nd TE that can catch and run in case we lose Muth for a few games” as a key need,

But watching Connor Heyward yesterday, he might be as good a ‘backup route running TE’ as any team has for that luxury position.
Plus he was a running back in college and will block. His stature actually helps him in blocking due to his being shorter similar to Jaylen Warren. Heyward was a really good AAU hoops player as well. I remember Pickett saying that they were trying to get Connor to Pitt when he was going to enter the transfer portal.
MSU tried Heyward as a lead blocker FB. The experiment didn’t last long because he was not good at it.
He has one useful skill set, and that’s as a pass catcher. And his small stature makes him nothing more than a situational TE.
He had a nice game yesterday, but that’s all it was… don’t get caught up in the afterglow.
That is not quite the story about them using him as a lead blocker FB and him failing at it.
More info direct from the source.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn4qskYmZPY

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Post by Jobu » Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:23 am

stillthere wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:36 am
Jobu wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:18 am
stillthere wrote:
Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:06 am

Plus he was a running back in college and will block. His stature actually helps him in blocking due to his being shorter similar to Jaylen Warren. Heyward was a really good AAU hoops player as well. I remember Pickett saying that they were trying to get Connor to Pitt when he was going to enter the transfer portal.
MSU tried Heyward as a lead blocker FB. The experiment didn’t last long because he was not good at it.
He has one useful skill set, and that’s as a pass catcher. And his small stature makes him nothing more than a situational TE.
He had a nice game yesterday, but that’s all it was… don’t get caught up in the afterglow.
That is not quite the story about them using him as a lead blocker FB and him failing at it.
More info direct from the source.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn4qskYmZPY
Well obviously I have some false information. I stand corrected.

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