Tomlin Extended

[Lynch]

And for anyone claiming Tomlin is asserting more control, or that the new hires signal Tomlin making strategic changes.......just remember Danny Fucking Smith still has a job.

And Keith Butler. Can someone tell me the value that dude adds?! Gets basically demoted to LB coach last year.

Two dudes my uninformed ass wants fired are Danny Bubblegum Smith and Keith Butler.

We'd be better off if they fired Tomlin and gave Butler his job.

[Legacy User]

And for anyone claiming Tomlin is asserting more control, or that the new hires signal Tomlin making strategic changes.......just remember Danny Fucking Smith still has a job.

And Keith Butler. Can someone tell me the value that dude adds?! Gets basically demoted to LB coach last year.

Two dudes my uninformed ass wants fired are Danny Bubblegum Smith and Keith Butler.

We'd be better off if they fired Tomlin and gave Butler his job.

Put the paint thinner down, dude.

[955876]

Ahhh the good ole days and much simpler times of Beavis & Butthead.

How I long for thee...

[Obviously]

And for anyone claiming Tomlin is asserting more control, or that the new hires signal Tomlin making strategic changes.......just remember Danny Fucking Smith still has a job.

And Keith Butler. Can someone tell me the value that dude adds?! Gets basically demoted to LB coach last year.

Two dudes my uninformed ass wants fired are Danny Bubblegum Smith and Keith Butler.

We'd be better off if they fired Tomlin and gave Butler his job.

I want the both of them gone. Both of them are fucking useless like your pal Haley.

[Legacy User]

And for anyone claiming Tomlin is asserting more control, or that the new hires signal Tomlin making strategic changes.......just remember Danny Fucking Smith still has a job.

And Keith Butler. Can someone tell me the value that dude adds?! Gets basically demoted to LB coach last year.

Two dudes my uninformed ass wants fired are Danny Bubblegum Smith and Keith Butler.

We'd be better off if they fired Tomlin and gave Butler his job.

Butler apparently can't handle the DC job.

[FortyThree]

Butler apparently can't handle the DC job.

Yeah but Lynch only worries about one attribute -- whether he's serious or just a troll.

[Legacy User]

[jeemie]

When I said "prove it" for some reason I thought Tomlin was on his last year- I didn't realize he was here through 2020.

So now..who knows?

2021

And we all know...a Supreme Court Justice has lesser job security.

Well- NOW it's 2021.

I had thought this year was his last.

[Havoc]

Tomlin lost me Dec 23, 2018 at NO on our drive starting at the 14:47 mark in the 4th quarter.

Our defense had just forced a 3 and out after our passing offense had shredded them at a historically great level for 2 straight drives in the 3rd quarter to go up by 4.

On our 2 drives in the 3rd quarter Ben was playing HOF level older qb street ball, Ben was unstoppable. He was QB maestro dishing the rock like Magic Johnson and our offense in the 3rd quarter was the Showtime Lakers. AB and JuJu were unstoppable. The Ben/AB/JuJu trio on those 2 drives were probably as great as anything I've seen during the regular season for a QB/WR trio. I had been waiting for this moment since Martavis Bryants rookie impact season when I had this vision for this offense. The 2 drives in the 3rd quarter and our opening drive of the 4th was the moment all things considered.

Our coaches took that moment away. NO did not stop it. Our coaches stopped it. That's on Tomlin. When momentum had shifted due to the Lakers on the verge of running their opponent out of the gym, Pat Riley did not pull the plug on it. The Lakers continued what they were doing, took control of the game, buried their opponent if possible.

What has Mike Tomlin ever built in the NFL? He's as average as it gets.

Coaches that have masterminded #1 offenses, #1 defenses, turned around losing franchises, built SB champions, changed the league with brilliant innovations... those guys are so very very far above the average Joe coaches in the league.

I want a QB whisperer HC. I want a HC whose mindset is to leverage the max out of the highest impact position on the field. Tomlin is not that guy.

Having said all that, 2019 is a new season, I'm pulling for Lombardi #7.

Final thought...

If Tomlin would order the offense to keep the foot on the gas with a lead in the 2nd half, I could probably live with him as HC.

[Jobu]

Butler apparently can't handle the DC job.

Yeah but Lynch only worries about one attribute -- whether he's serious or just a troll.

Lynch is Switz...the troll, not the player or coach.
Nothing more satisfying than being a pretend racist on an internet message board.
Stop responding...although I know some can’t help themselves.

[Jobu]

When I said "prove it" for some reason I thought Tomlin was on his last year- I didn't realize he was here through 2020.

So now..who knows?

2021

And we all know...a Supreme Court Justice has lesser job security.

Well- NOW it's 2021.

I had thought this year was his last.

He had two years remaining. Now the one year extension, and if I’m interpreting correctly, an option year for 2022.

[Obviously]

The fucker is coach for life like Cowher. He will be done when he quits. EMR wouldn't have it any other way.

[Drummer Boy]

... does anyone on this board think he would get the same kind of job security elsewhere that he has had with the Steelers? Only four coaches have been with their team more than 10 years, Billy B at 19, Tomlin & Payton at 12 and Harbaugh at 11 (amazingly the Cowboys have also kept Garrett for 9 years despite wasting great opportunities over and over again).

I do. And your list of coaches supports me. The four coaches you name plus Mike McCarthy, who coached GB 2006-20018, have the following records since 2007, in ascending order:

Harbaugh, 104-72, +32, SB 1-0
Payton, 118-74, +44, SB 1-0
McCarthy, 117-69-2, +48, SB 1-0
Tomlin, 125-66-1, +59, SB 1-1
Belichick, 150-42, +108, SB 3-3 (since 2007)

In seasonal notation, their records are approximately:
Harbaugh 9-6-1 (where have I seen that before?)
Payton 10-6
McCarthy 10-6
Tomlin 10-5-1
Belichick 12-3-1

Those are the only coaches with anywhere near Tomlin's record since 2007, and they all coached over 10 years and except for Mike McCarthy, who coached GB for 13 years, are all still with their teams.

Why is it so crazy that Tomlin would have the same longevity?

[Legacy User]

Of course dumbfuck gets an extension.

[Steelafan77]

Unlike their head coach, the Steelers are not going to extend the contract of general manager Kevin Colbert this year and will wait until after the season to do so — if they do so. https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1907260090

Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert said Saturday morning that his decision to wait until after the season to discuss a new contract with the team is simply due to family considerations. https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1907270043

Isn't this why Munchak left? Family considerations? Interesting....

[COR-TEN]

Stop responding...although I know some can’t help themselves.

This is not uncommon on message boards. SF is no different.

[alancac98]

I can’t and have never liked Tomlin. He’s a fake and a phony who is and has always been over his head! Yet, he is also a complete narcissist who thinks he does not wrong. I don’t remember him ever putting all of the blame for loss on his shoulders. He’s a complete dickhead and I wish he was fucking gone - years ago! Fucking extension of any time period is Art’s way of continuing to fuck this team up!

[Jobu]

I can’t and have never liked Tomlin. He’s a fake and a phony who is and has always been over his head! Yet, he is also a complete narcissist who thinks he does not wrong. I don’t remember him ever putting all of the blame for loss on his shoulders. He’s a complete dickhead and I wish he was fucking gone - years ago! Fucking extension of any time period is Art’s way of continuing to fuck this team up!

Amen brother!

[Drummer Boy]

I can’t and have never liked Tomlin. He’s a fake and a phony who is and has always been over his head! Yet, he is also a complete narcissist who thinks he does not wrong. I don’t remember him ever putting all of the blame for loss on his shoulders. He’s a complete dickhead and I wish he was fucking gone - years ago! Fucking extension of any time period is Art’s way of continuing to fuck this team up!

As Zeke would say: Quality post ...

[Havoc]

... does anyone on this board think he would get the same kind of job security elsewhere that he has had with the Steelers? Only four coaches have been with their team more than 10 years, Billy B at 19, Tomlin & Payton at 12 and Harbaugh at 11 (amazingly the Cowboys have also kept Garrett for 9 years despite wasting great opportunities over and over again).

I do. And your list of coaches supports me. The four coaches you name plus Mike McCarthy, who coached GB 2006-20018, have the following records since 2007, in ascending order:

Harbaugh, 104-72, +32, SB 1-0
Payton, 118-74, +44, SB 1-0
McCarthy, 117-69-2, +48, SB 1-0
Tomlin, 125-66-1, +59, SB 1-1
Belichick, 150-42, +108, SB 3-3 (since 2007)

In seasonal notation, their records are approximately:
Harbaugh 9-6-1 (where have I seen that before?)
Payton 10-6
McCarthy 10-6
Tomlin 10-5-1
Belichick 12-3-1

Those are the only coaches with anywhere near Tomlin's record since 2007, and they all coached over 10 years and except for Mike McCarthy, who coached GB for 13 years, are all still with their teams.

Why is it so crazy that Tomlin would have the same longevity?

Because your argument is shallow.

Plenty of coaches have been let go in sports with winning records because ownership came to the conclusion that they were not the right guy to get their current roster to a championship.

[Drummer Boy]

... does anyone on this board think he would get the same kind of job security elsewhere that he has had with the Steelers? Only four coaches have been with their team more than 10 years, Billy B at 19, Tomlin & Payton at 12 and Harbaugh at 11 (amazingly the Cowboys have also kept Garrett for 9 years despite wasting great opportunities over and over again).

I do. And your list of coaches supports me. The four coaches you name plus Mike McCarthy, who coached GB 2006-20018, have the following records since 2007, in ascending order:

Harbaugh, 104-72, +32, SB 1-0
Payton, 118-74, +44, SB 1-0
McCarthy, 117-69-2, +48, SB 1-0
Tomlin, 125-66-1, +59, SB 1-1
Belichick, 150-42, +108, SB 3-3 (since 2007)

In seasonal notation, their records are approximately:
Harbaugh 9-6-1 (where have I seen that before?)
Payton 10-6
McCarthy 10-6
Tomlin 10-5-1
Belichick 12-3-1

Those are the only coaches with anywhere near Tomlin's record since 2007, and they all coached over 10 years and except for Mike McCarthy, who coached GB for 13 years, are all still with their teams.

Why is it so crazy that Tomlin would have the same longevity?

Because your argument is shallow.

Plenty of coaches have been let go in sports with winning records because ownership came to the conclusion that they were not the right guy to get their current roster to a championship.

Certainly. Mike McCarthy was one, and if Tomlin was another I wouldn't be surprised, although I don't think he should be.

But that's not what I was trying to show. I was just answering StillerzBar's question: "... does anyone on this board think he would get the same kind of job security elsewhere that he has had with the Steelers?"

I pointed out that all of the coaches he named except for Belichick had worse records than Tomlin, and they were all still coaching the same team. So I think there's plenty of places where Tomlin would have had that same kind of job security.

[Havoc]

Certainly. Mike McCarthy was one, and if Tomlin was another I wouldn't be surprised, although I don't think he should be.

But that's not what I was trying to show. I was just answering StillerzBar's question: "... does anyone on this board think he would get the same kind of job security elsewhere that he has had with the Steelers?"

I pointed out that all of the coaches he named except for Belichick had worse records than Tomlin, and they were all still coaching the same team. So I think there's plenty of places where Tomlin would have had that same kind of job security.

OK, thanks for the clarification.

[the-other-burg]

As many have said, and as I believe, with this team good has been the enemy of great. Winning records have been the enemy of Superbowl's. This team would have been better off going 5-11 or 6-10 a few years ago and maybe forced the hand of ownership to make a HC change. I see Tomlin's trajectory as a head coach on a steady decline over the last 5-6 years, and I expect that to continue this season, even with all the new "thinkers" that have been added to the staff to cover his inadequacies as a game day strategist. Although of course, I would be happily proven wrong, because at the end of the day he ain't getting fired so I hope they make the best of it.

[stillthere]

Certainly. Mike McCarthy was one, and if Tomlin was another I wouldn't be surprised, although I don't think he should be.

But that's not what I was trying to show. I was just answering StillerzBar's question: "... does anyone on this board think he would get the same kind of job security elsewhere that he has had with the Steelers?"

I pointed out that all of the coaches he named except for Belichick had worse records than Tomlin, and they were all still coaching the same team. So I think there's plenty of places where Tomlin would have had that same kind of job security.

One could say that he may not have had the same job security as he has been shown in PIT as well since without Ben Tomlin doesn't have some absurd streak of no losing seasons just like without Tomlin AB does not have some absurd streak of games with 5 catches and 50 yards. I mean Payton has Brees and as much as we hate Baltimore Flacco has beaten us a good number of times. Belichik and Brady are as good as it gets and McCarthy had a pretty good QB. A good QB will cover a lot of short comings.

[Drummer Boy]

One could say that he may not have had the same job security as he has been shown in PIT as well since without Ben Tomlin doesn't have some absurd streak of no losing seasons just like without Tomlin AB does not have some absurd streak of games with 5 catches and 50 yards. I mean Payton has Brees and as much as we hate Baltimore Flacco has beaten us a good number of times. Belichik and Brady are as good as it gets and McCarthy had a pretty good QB. A good QB will cover a lot of short comings.

I agree. First thing I noticed about that list is that everybody on it has a great QB, except Harbaugh. It's not just QBs, though. Harbaugh without Ray Lewis is 50-46. And none of them has won a Super Bowl lately, except you know who.

So maybe the good is the enemy of the great for all these teams -- except:

1. Assuming you will get "great" after firing these coaches is a stretch. It's very unlikely.
2. I think sometimes people don't consider the simple math here: There's 32 teams and 1 championship. In the last 12 years, NE has been in the SB 6 times. That leaves 6 opportunities for the whole rest of the AFC since 2007, and Tomlin has 2 of them.
3. NE has been off-the-charts, far better than anyone else in the last 20 years, in regular season and postseason. But even NE had a stretch between 2004 and 2014, almost 10 seasons, where they did not win a Super Bowl. It's not easy.

[Havoc]

The difference in 2008 & 2010 is Tomlin got to ride the defensive machine that was built before him. Tomlin's nature, football philosophy worked just fine with that roster in that era.

Tomlin can't bring himself to close out games with offense leading the way. It's not in his nature, never has been. Coaching square peg roster round hole.

14:57 in NO last year was pathetic. Tomlin's ass puckers at the first sign of daylight. It disgusts me.

I don't need a great HC, I want an aggressive one. Aggressive can cover up a lot of other coaching ills.

Having said that, it's a new year, I will be hopeful the light bulb comes on.

[tunch]

Can anybody name a game Tomlin won where he had the worse roster?

Did anyone feel good about relying on Ben or AB or James Harrison making superhuman play after play to save wins that should have been blowouts?

In the last ten years, anyone ever felt like we ever stole a game based on scheme and strategy?

Even Cowher has the AFCC win over that Colts team that gave the Steelers an absolute ass-whipping during the regular season.

Ive learned to deal with it. If Tomlin is favored by 6+ then I'm taking the points.

[FortyThree]

Can anybody name a game Tomlin won where he had the worse roster?

Against the Patriots last season.

[tunch]

Can anybody name a game Tomlin won where he had the worse roster?

Against the Patriots last season.

Other than Stephon Gilmore and Tom Brady, who would start for the Steelers?

[Orangesteel]

Tomlin is a shithead boob but we are stuck with him. I’m thrilled this was a 1 year extension. The way the Steelers do things, this is as much of a “shot across the bow” as you will see from this organization.

Win or be gone.