The Steelers suck threads

[Legacy User]

When Cowher retired, there was a standard. There was a profile. There were types of players we drafted. Was Earl Holmes the athlete that Timmons is? Nope. Who'd I ride or die with? Holmes 6 days a week, and twice on Sunday. Would Hartings beat Pouncey is a footrace? Not a chance. Hartings was twice the man. What about Brown and Ward? Sure, Antonio is a really good WR, but he's not Ward. He doesn't have his presence, and certainly doesn't have his fear factor. There are a few guys. Guys like Heyward & Bell. But the rest? Jervis "Stenosis" Jones? Cam Thomas? Marcus Gilbert? Etc-etc....SOFT, like Carvel...

Agreed with a couple minor differences in opinion, AB is not Ward in his prime but who is?..AB can play on my team any day...JJ im still on the fence about but as far as a warrior Id go to battle with, id say you're probably right.

[Orangesteel]

This may be true, but last night to me was about turnovers, penalties and Ben being off.

You can't turn the ball over 3 times while getting 0, commit 9 penalties for 75 yards, and miss open receivers in critical situations and expect to win on the road on a short week against a desperate team.

I guess you could argue some of that is talent, but Ben is not an issue obviously, penalties are not necessarily talent related, not getting turnovers certainly is, but i don't think turning it over is, just focus.

The biggest thing i noticed was lack of intensity which just is not acceptable.

True....Ben missed open receivers twice on 3rd down....that combined with the early turnover is three possessions killed while it was still a ballgame....can't recover from that shit.

receivers who ran the wrong fucking route. You don't cross the face of the defender running a seam route with nothing but grass in front of you... and you sure as hell turn your head when that happens so you can see the ball coming and adjust.

Agreed JJT.

I've been beating this drum for a while now. Mike Tomlin's teams = poor execution, turnovers and penalties. That is the current state of this team. Simple as fucking that.

[bradshaw2ben]

Playing tight formations vs the Ravens is playing into their hands. Got to make Ngata run sideline to sideline and get the hell away from Brandon Williams. Split our Bell and match him up vs Mosely.

I would have started the game just like last week.

[Orangesteel]

Ike Taylor might have been their best player on D last night. Torrey Smith was almost totally shut down.

Agreed. When I saw DHB and Torrey talking after the game, I was like "oh yeah, Torrey Smith".

If the TEs weren't raping our defense all night, maybe they would have thrown a moon ball to him

[lifelongsteel]

I think the playcalling is very far down on the list of concerns. Haley found ways to get guys open in space on multiple occasions.

I particularly liked:
- The reverses to Wheaton (if they are there take them)
- the 3rd and 1 play to Brown (easy 20+ yard play if Ben can convert an easy throw)
- the shovel pass to Bell

The only play call i really hated was the 3rd and 4 sweep to Brown. I actually wonder if Ben had an option on that play to eithe hand off to Brown or play action fake. That would certainly be the right way to design that play.

[steeledge]

For that, the Rooneys will have to shoot the messenger...

The Rooneys pull that puppets strings! So instead the Rooneys need to shoot themselves in the head.

The Rooneys have propped up a supporting crew chock full of former head coaches, and yet it's still not enough.
We continue to be subjected to this steaming shit heap of a display and a shyster used car salesman's vernacular vomiting out excuses or flaring his nostrils and describing it as "unacceptable".

You know what's unacceptable? The fact that Bell an Blount are still on the field collecting paychecks, for starters.
No discipline is exactly that - no discipline, and that's all that Mikey T contributes to this team.

While I admit they may have "Rooney Ruled" themselves into current circumstances, I have to believe their abundance of patience has to be wearing thin...

I'm reserving my faith in them to get over themselves and right this ship...
Too bad we're watching yet another year of Ben's career swirl down the shitter in the process, when by all accounts he looks "better prepared than ever"...

"the standard is the standard" = you get what you pay for...

[Legacy User]

No need to apologize 77, I am still pissed myself. This team lacks intensity and I just don't see a killer instinct. Joey said you can't teach intensity and we proved it last night. That game was probably fucking killing him on the sideline. We need to draft some nasty mother fuckers that can bring an edge on both sides of the ball

[steeledge]

Well, if you can't throw 10-15 yards down field in the 2014 NFL, you are fucked.

Bullshit...
Pete Carroll's Seahawks say "tchau"

Most of their "long" pass plays are due to RAC yards...

[Legacy User]

I don't think Tomlin is going anywhere. The same loyalty that served them well with Noll and Cowher is gonna come back to bite them in the ass with Tomlin.

[Orangesteel]

Playing tight formations vs the Ravens is playing into their hands. Got to make Ngata run sideline to sideline and get the hell away from Brandon Williams. Split our Bell and match him up vs Mosely.

I would have started the game just like last week.

Yep, goes back to what you said in the podcast.

We have some athleticism on the line that can do damage IN SPACE. Case and point, see Cleveland game first half.

So what does Haley do? Roll out that beautiful cluster fuck he calls an offense against a front 7 that is licking their chops. It literally looks like a purple and white blob out there, everyone so close to one another, falling on each other, knees and ankles waiting to be rolled up on.

First play (I think) of third quarter on offense. Miller chips Dumervil and goes out for a pass, makes the catch and fumbles after being hit. When things go wrong, they go really wrong.

[Donnie Brasco]

I thought this would be a picture of Dick Lebeau

[steeledge]

I don't think Tomlin is going anywhere. The same loyalty that served them well with Noll and Cowher is gonna come back to bite them in the ass with Tomlin.

Then I'll say it again:
If this trend continues, Ben has every reason to approach off season contract talks with three words: "Him or me."

And before you get ahead of yourselves (B2B), I don't mean Haley as the "him", either...

[steeledge]

First play (I think) of third quarter on offense. Miller chips Dumervil and goes out for a pass, makes the catch and fumbles after being hit.

And I guess that's Todd Haley's fault?

[Stallworth16]

The Steelers #1 problem now is talent evaluation, imo. Compared to Pete Carroll who took the Seahawks job with full Personnel control. Carroll has top scouting skills and he loaded that team up in 2 years.

The Steelers are giving contracts to players who are Inconsistent, such as Gilbert, Cam Thomas, Worilds, Cortez. The Steelers are not getting the most out our players, coaching them up, keeping Lineman's weight down, getting guys to their highest playing level.

The scheme and focus is not at a championship level, where the whole team knows where they are going and is playing focused towards that goal. I'm not giving up on this season but we have alot of work to do.

[Steelknife]

I think the playcalling is very far down on the list of concerns. Haley found ways to get guys open in space on multiple occasions.

I particularly liked:
- The reverses to Wheaton (if they are there take them)
- the 3rd and 1 play to Brown (easy 20+ yard play if Ben can convert an easy throw)
- the shovel pass to Bell

The only play call i really hated was the 3rd and 4 sweep to Brown. I actually wonder if Ben had an option on that play to eithe hand off to Brown or play action fake. That would certainly be the right way to design that play.

The reverses, the play to brown, and the shovel pass were all Ben calls.

Why? Because they were good. Only Ben calls good plays. If they sucked, it was Haley.

[Legacy User]

When Cowher retired, there was a standard. There was a profile. There were types of players we drafted. Was Earl Holmes the athlete that Timmons is? Nope. Who'd I ride or die with? Holmes 6 days a week, and twice on Sunday. Would Hartings beat Pouncey is a footrace? Not a chance. Hartings was twice the man. What about Brown and Ward? Sure, Antonio is a really good WR, but he's not Ward. He doesn't have his presence, and certainly doesn't have his fear factor. There are a few guys. Guys like Heyward & Bell. But the rest? Jervis "Stenosis" Jones? Cam Thomas? Marcus Gilbert? Etc-etc....SOFT, like Carvel...

Jervis doesn't deserve to be on your hate list this morning.

He has comported himself well and, aside from a few miscues, is playing quite well.

The rest of your post I have no arguments with.

The team went speed, and forgot that with speed has to come toughness and discipline.

This team has none of that.

I better see a spark for optimism in the Carolina game, or I am officially entrenched on the "Everyone must go in the coaching staff and FO" bandwagon.

Jeem, Jervis isn't putting any real pressure on the QB. Did you see Flacco's post game interview? He basically thanked God that Woodley & Harrison were gone, and how things have gotten easier. Seriously, find it, and watch it. To me, he's a better ILB. I'd seriously consider moving him there, and does anyone think Shazier could play SS, ala, the guy in Seattle...Kam Chancellor?

That wouldn't be a bad move if the Steelers wouldn't get in such a snit over Deebo being too chatty an employee.

[lifelongsteel]

I think the playcalling is very far down on the list of concerns. Haley found ways to get guys open in space on multiple occasions.

I particularly liked:
- The reverses to Wheaton (if they are there take them)
- the 3rd and 1 play to Brown (easy 20+ yard play if Ben can convert an easy throw)
- the shovel pass to Bell

The only play call i really hated was the 3rd and 4 sweep to Brown. I actually wonder if Ben had an option on that play to eithe hand off to Brown or play action fake. That would certainly be the right way to design that play.

The reverses, the play to brown, and the shovel pass were all Ben calls.

Why? Because they were good. Only Ben calls good plays. If they sucked, it was Haley.

Yep, you're right.

[steelmann58]

what bothered me was only a few guys playing with a chip on there shoulder or playing angry. Gilbert is one of the Sofetest Tackles in the League.

[Orangesteel]

First play (I think) of third quarter on offense. Miller chips Dumervil and goes out for a pass, makes the catch and fumbles after being hit.

And I guess that's Todd Haley's fault?

I liked that play, pointing out when one worked, our beloved Heath Miller who literally looks like the shell of a man out there, coughed up a ball he's held onto 1000 times in his career.

But as it's been said, by IC and b2b and others, when it takes you 28 plays to score, when your offensive productivity balances on every single bullshit called play working perfectly, you will not have success. Go ahead, watch what happened last night over again if you want. I'd like to keep my breakfast down.

[Steelknife]

Both Lebeau and Haley are handcuffed by our talent, or lack thereof.

[Mick]

I'd really like to see more spaeth helping out the pass protection and giving us time to threaten downfield, and less justin brown / insert 3rd receiver here.

Bears liked their top 2 wrs, te, and rb last season, and they basically never put a 3rd wr out there. Seemed to work okay. Helps you run as well.

I didn't hate our offense in general yesterday, but if we're always going to be staring up at long fields and our D is going to be giving up a good share of points, we're going to need a lot of big plays on O, and those are going to continue to be hard to come by if the ball is always coming out quick.

Except our TEs do not help in the run game. I guaranfuckintee you through two games, our YPC with more than 1 TE or TE/FB is worse than our run YPC with 1 TE. I want 3 WR for the run game and 2 TE for the pass game LOL how fucked is that?

depot has now informed me that jbrown got 55 out of 59ish snaps to 3 for spaeth.

You may be right on the numbers thus far. Either way, I don't really like to see justin brown on the field basically ever.

[Mick]

First play (I think) of third quarter on offense. Miller chips Dumervil and goes out for a pass, makes the catch and fumbles after being hit.

And I guess that's Todd Haley's fault?

I liked that play, pointing out when one worked, our beloved Heath Miller who literally looks like the shell of a man out there, coughed up a ball he's held onto 1000 times in his career.

But as it's been said, by IC and b2b and others, when it takes you 28 plays to score, when your offensive productivity balances on every single bullshit called play working perfectly, you will not have success. Go ahead, watch what happened last night over again if you want. I'd like to keep my breakfast down.

Baltimore's possessions took a million plays to score. Their offense basically looked like ours without penalties, turnovers, or sacks.

[Legacy User]

[quote="SteeledgeI liked that play, pointing out when one worked, our beloved Heath Miller who literally looks like the shell of a man out there, coughed up a ball he's held onto 1000 times in his career.

But as it's been said, by IC and b2b and others, when it takes you 28 plays to score, when your offensive productivity balances on every single bullshit called play working perfectly, you will not have success. Go ahead, watch what happened last night over again if you want. I'd like to keep my breakfast down.

Baltimore's possessions took a million plays to score. Their offense basically looked like ours without penalties, turnovers, or sacks.

In a Word: Execution. Ravens executed their plays with crispness and professionalism. Steelers on the other hand looked confused and often overwhelmed. Poorly coached.
Harbaugh > Tomlin

[StillMadAtSlobber]

You're an attention whore

stupid thread to start. I hope they lock it up, ball it up, and throw it at you

Agreed, for anyone to start a thread with that title, misspelling the team name, just reeks of the standard infantile tactic used by other teams fans.

Here.

[R_S]

Jarvis became Jervis.

The Pittsburgh Steelers became The PIttsburg Stealers.

They aren't worth of the Steel City; and at this point the team is 95% composed of guys who are stealing paychecks.

I don't recognize this team and the scary thing is I don't think I'll remember them any time soon.

nice thread jackoff. Yeah, Jarvis was the problem last night. attention whore with the amount of football knowledge that could fit in a thimble.

It's an analogy. Those things that are on the SAT?

I don't think it was that hard to understand. Yet again, with the personal attacks.

You might want to brush up on what an analogy actually is.

[K_C_]

At 1-1 I'm sure as fuck not mailing it in.

And all you all splash play, pass rush MFers are getting on my nerves...it's the run defense and the O's failure to score a single TD that should be the focus.
.

I agree.

Not mailing it in either, and you highlighted 2 biggest problems

I can't listen to all this "HOF" QB fucking talk with his performance since halftime last week. #7 has been clearly outplayed by opposing QB's for 6 consecutive QTRs

Who are your red zone threats on our current team?

Who in the fuck does Roethlisberger have to throw to in the red zone?

[Orangesteel]

Baltimore's possessions took a million plays to score. Their offense basically looked like ours without penalties, turnovers, or sacks.

Yeah, and they still whooped our fucking asses. Kubiak looks like a genius packing up Owen Daniels in his suitcase when he caught the train from Houston.

Point is, the ravens and steelers (and browns for that matter) are not all that different talent wise. Yet coaching and execution allowed those purple fucks to bend the entire Steeler nation over last night and enter, hard and fast, sans lubrication.

[K_C_]

Baltimore's possessions took a million plays to score. Their offense basically looked like ours without penalties, turnovers, or sacks.

You realize they have an offensive line who actually tries to protect their QB, right?

[FC]

Many of you want to be right about everything every week...so you venture into entrenched opinion and favorite whipping boys at the cost of thoughtful analysis.

[steelclan]

Many of you want to be right about everything every week...so you venture into entrenched opinion and favorite whipping boys at the cost of thoughtful analysis.

This. I try but often fail at being realistic with this team. Last night I didnt see a win coming, everything felt wrong. Of course I didnt see Ravens winning so easily and that more than anything truly blows.