The Steelers suck threads

[jeemie]

Ben was bad last night.

Why do we always have to speculate an injury, etc some other reason when Ben is bad?

Sounds like excuse making to me.

[jeemie]

Anyone still think it's a lead pipe lock that Ben finishes his career in Pittsburgh?

[StillerInCT]

I still think so Jeemie. Ben strikes me as that type of guy. That's the only reason I think he stays.

[Legacy User]

I hope Gilbert breaks his fucking leg, fat worthless fuck, that game still has me really pissed off

[jeemie]

I still think so Jeemie. Ben strikes me as that type of guy. That's the only reason I think he stays.

I hope so...because if I was Ben, I wouldn't stick around.

This shit ain't getting solved in a year or two, and likely ain't getting solved by this coaching staff.

[tbsteel]

Ben was bad last night.

Why do we always have to speculate an injury, etc some other reason when Ben is bad?

Sounds like excuse making to me.

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It's never done with other players. Ben looked completely healthy last night, he just sucked. Just like most everyone else in the B&G last night.

[Joe Steeler Fan]

I'm telling you fellas. It's dead. You can see it in Troy's face. That guy doesn't know what to do. This team is filled with players that don't fit the profile of what a Steelers player is. Sure, there's "athletes" everywhere, on every level. Very few tough guys. Very few capable of rolling up their sleeves and bare knuckling it. Ben, Heath, Troy, Brett, and Ike are the last of that tribe. The rest of these guys? Soft. Totally soft...

I can't say I disagree. Something is wrong with the DNA/chemistry of this defense. Personality of the players drafted perhaps?

Steelers were once known for having street fighters who would throw down with anybody. Those days are long gone.

If you remember, a few years back, both Cincy and Baltimore were accused by many as building their roster around low character thugs while the Steelers prided themselves on going after high character guys.

Well guess what? The thugs are winning ....

[Steelperch]

I'm just finishing up my article. RON might as well have written the first paragraph for me, it's about identical.

[Legacy User]

When Cowher retired, there was a standard. There was a profile. There were types of players we drafted. Was Earl Holmes the athlete that Timmons is? Nope. Who'd I ride or die with? Holmes 6 days a week, and twice on Sunday. Would Hartings beat Pouncey is a footrace? Not a chance. Hartings was twice the man. What about Brown and Ward? Sure, Antonio is a really good WR, but he's not Ward. He doesn't have his presence, and certainly doesn't have his fear factor. There are a few guys. Guys like Heyward & Bell. But the rest? Jervis "Stenosis" Jones? Cam Thomas? Marcus Gilbert? Etc-etc....SOFT, like Carvel...

Jervis doesn't deserve to be on your hate list this morning.

He has comported himself well and, aside from a few miscues, is playing quite well.

The rest of your post I have no arguments with.

The team went speed, and forgot that with speed has to come toughness and discipline.

This team has none of that.

I better see a spark for optimism in the Carolina game, or I am officially entrenched on the "Everyone must go in the coaching staff and FO" bandwagon.

Jeem, Jervis isn't putting any real pressure on the QB. Did you see Flacco's post game interview? He basically thanked God that Woodley & Harrison were gone, and how things have gotten easier. Seriously, find it, and watch it. To me, he's a better ILB. I'd seriously consider moving him there, and does anyone think Shazier could play SS, ala, the guy in Seattle...Kam Chancellor?

[JJT07]

This may be true, but last night to me was about turnovers, penalties and Ben being off.

You can't turn the ball over 3 times while getting 0, commit 9 penalties for 75 yards, and miss open receivers in critical situations and expect to win on the road on a short week against a desperate team.

I guess you could argue some of that is talent, but Ben is not an issue obviously, penalties are not necessarily talent related, not getting turnovers certainly is, but i don't think turning it over is, just focus.

The biggest thing i noticed was lack of intensity which just is not acceptable.

[swissvale72]

This may be true, but last night to me was about turnovers, penalties and Ben being off.

You can't turn the ball over 3 times while getting 0, commit 9 penalties for 75 yards, and miss open receivers in critical situations and expect to win on the road on a short week against a desperate team.

I guess you could argue some of that is talent, but Ben is not an issue obviously, penalties are not necessarily talent related, not getting turnovers certainly is, but i don't think turning it over is, just focus.

The biggest thing i noticed was lack of intensity which just is not acceptable.

True....Ben missed open receivers twice on 3rd down....that combined with the early turnover is three possessions killed while it was still a ballgame....can't recover from that shit.

[Joe Steeler Fan]

This is a face that clearly says, "I think I'm done with this shit"



Troy will go down as one of the greatest Steelers of all time. I hate to see him live out his last year or two on such a shit team.

He and Ike Taylor both need to exit gracefully and let this team re-build for the future.

[bradshaw2ben]

the OL didn't just struggle with a particular pass rusher-- there were like 3 guys coming free every play. It has a trickle down effect, too: Ben gets anxious, throws it early, receivers on option routes are sometimes going to be on a different page (and our receivers did not do a great job with this last night).

Regardless, the OL was asked to block for tight formation interior runs against the Ravens-- over and over again-- when that might be the single worst playcall against that defense. They were worse than spiking the football, since give up run plays shortened the game and took away the opportunity to stay in the game.

[jeemie]

the OL didn't just struggle with a particular pass rusher-- there were like 3 guys coming free every play. It has a trickle down effect, too: Ben gets anxious, throws it early, receivers on option routes are sometimes going to be on a different page (and our receivers did not do a great job with this last night).

Regardless, the OL was asked to block for tight formation interior runs against the Ravens-- over and over again-- when that might be the single worst playcall against that defense. They were worse than spiking the football, since give up run plays shortened the game and took away the opportunity to stay in the game.

I think Jones' point about Archer at least being a decoy on misdirection plays was spot on.

I saw a couple of plays where the Steelers tried that stuff similar to last Sunday, and the Ravens didn't respect it.

Unlike our guys ("Who's got Owen Daniels? I thought YOU had Owen Daniels. Well- I thought YOU had Owen Daniels. I got the guy that's all the way across the formation, running away from me".)

[bradshaw2ben]

Ben was bad last night.

Why do we always have to speculate an injury, etc some other reason when Ben is bad?

Sounds like excuse making to me.

I don't think he was as bad as you're making out. He was forced to get rid of it before he wanted to over and over again, in a game where we desperately needed some big plays.

I'm pretty sure very few here understand option routes. The receiver and QB make reads based on coverage, under certain rules and with timing being critical. I saw at least three plays where, based on the little you can see on TV, it appeared Ben had to get rid of it half a count early AND the receivers violated the rules of their reads.

the three examples off the top of my head: Justin Brown and Heath Miller running a stem up the seam vs ether C1 or C3... no safety in front of them. Versus a zone coverage, running a seam stem, almost certain their rules are: 1. continue into the open seam and 2. if you take two steps into your route and no one is in front of you, turn to look for the football. Both players cut across coverage, which takes longer and doesn't make you available to the QB until you've cleared into the next throwing window.

On the third example, Wheaton ran a vertical route into double coverage-- 99% sure he's supposed to comeback or backshoulder in that situation (unless he's clearing for a route underneath).

In addition to all that, Justin Brown running round out routes that can't even beat a strong safety, AB missing for a series and a half-- there was no way Ben was winning that game on his own last night.

[Legacy User]

Unlike our guys ("Who's got Owen Daniels? I thought YOU had Owen Daniels. Well- I thought YOU had Owen Daniels. I got the guy that's all the way across the formation, running away from me".)

that's what being successful in the run game does to an opponent.

Ravens came off a week of distractions where they should've got their asses kicked and they came out and slowed the game down, imposed their will, and beat the fuck out of that defense

[bradshaw2ben]

I said before the season that, by the time the first half of the season is over, the PS will have faced some serious pass rushers/disruptors on the edge and we would be wanting to replace or would have actually replaced both of our starting OTs. Two games in, we're halfway there.

[Legacy User]

No, he sucked

The guy who is supposed to be top 5 in the league has sucked for 75% of the season so far

I made my opinion known early and often that he needed to put this team on his back and put points on the board. He's failing at that so far. Even Bill Cowher in pregame talking about how their identity had to be offense now.

[Steel Ubaldo]

Regardless of how the OLine looked we were looking to throw short from the first snap of the game. 90% of plays we didn't even give the OLine a chance to suck. The ball was ready to come out in less than 3 seconds.

If the stated goal is to protect Ben, then we are going to see this type of play calling most of the year. Gilbert does need a chance to prove he sucks...he will take it upon his own initiative and do it with aplomb. The biggest surprise to me was not the short routes, it was the lack of no huddle, especially in the 2nd half. Who makes that call to go no huddle? Tomlin, Haley, Ben???

[Nick79]

Yeah, I have zero faith in Tomlin...but I'm not mailing it in week 2.

FCFS I still haven't been able to sleep...

Exactly, on the bright side, the worst we can start is 1-3 and not 0-4.

[bradshaw2ben]

No, he sucked

The guy who is supposed to be top 5 in the league has sucked for 75% of the season so far

I made my opinion known early and often that he needed to put this team on his back and put points on the board. He's failing at that so far. Even Bill Cowher in pregame talking about how their identity had to be offense now.

not you, too

[Nick79]

Regardless of how the OLine looked we were looking to throw short from the first snap of the game. 90% of plays we didn't even give the OLine a chance to suck. The ball was ready to come out in less than 3 seconds.

If the stated goal is to protect Ben, then we are going to see this type of play calling most of the year. Gilbert does need a chance to prove he sucks...he will take it upon his own initiative and do it with aplomb. The biggest surprise to me was not the short routes, it was the lack of no huddle, especially in the 2nd half. Who makes that call to go no huddle? Tomlin, Haley, Ben???

Also a lack of urgency it seemed like to me. They are getting down 16-6, 23-6, 26-6.... yet still opening drives with 2 yard passes and 1 yard runs up the gut, where's the URGENT offense, where you want to get down the field FASTER? Ben used to be the master of that when they weren't BEING STUPID and let him, or when they where forced to. Lot's of times in past years, I'd be pissed at the BS offense they'd run and actually be happy that they'd fall a bit behind, because that meant, now they'd let Ben do his thing, but now, it's seems they took that good shit out of the play book.

Another head scratcher that pissed me off, when they got the 2nd FG I believe, they get to the RZ and surprisingly pass the 1st 2 plays, then get 3rd and 3 inside the 10, down 10-3, and run that WR sweep into the teeth of the defenders on the short side? WTF? How about some serious URGENCY! Ravens have plays getting TEs in space wide open and throw INTO the EZ? Why the fuck can't we? Why is our RZ offense usually seemingly devoid of plays they get guys open INSIDE the EZ, rather than short of the EZ?

[bradshaw2ben]

This may be true, but last night to me was about turnovers, penalties and Ben being off.

You can't turn the ball over 3 times while getting 0, commit 9 penalties for 75 yards, and miss open receivers in critical situations and expect to win on the road on a short week against a desperate team.

I guess you could argue some of that is talent, but Ben is not an issue obviously, penalties are not necessarily talent related, not getting turnovers certainly is, but i don't think turning it over is, just focus.

The biggest thing i noticed was lack of intensity which just is not acceptable.

True....Ben missed open receivers twice on 3rd down....that combined with the early turnover is three possessions killed while it was still a ballgame....can't recover from that shit.

receivers who ran the wrong fucking route. You don't cross the face of the defender running a seam route with nothing but grass in front of you... and you sure as hell turn your head when that happens so you can see the ball coming and adjust.

[Legacy User]

No, he sucked

The guy who is supposed to be top 5 in the league has sucked for 75% of the season so far

I made my opinion known early and often that he needed to put this team on his back and put points on the board. He's failing at that so far. Even Bill Cowher in pregame talking about how their identity had to be offense now.

not you, too

not as if this game turned me, I've thought this way for fucking 2 years now

I'm starting to think the MF'er is over rated without an all decade defense behind him

[Nick79]

No, he sucked

The guy who is supposed to be top 5 in the league has sucked for 75% of the season so far

I made my opinion known early and often that he needed to put this team on his back and put points on the board. He's failing at that so far. Even Bill Cowher in pregame talking about how their identity had to be offense now.

Great, even Cowher wants to do that. Then quit dicking around and JUST DO IT! Spread the field and just go up tempo no huddle as the base offense, RIGHT NOW, instead of waiting until game 9 when they are 2-6.

AND, most importantly, just assume that your D will give up scores on every possession and it's urgent to score every time....

[Legacy User]

No, he sucked

The guy who is supposed to be top 5 in the league has sucked for 75% of the season so far

I made my opinion known early and often that he needed to put this team on his back and put points on the board. He's failing at that so far. Even Bill Cowher in pregame talking about how their identity had to be offense now.

Great, even Cowher wants to do that. Then quit dicking around and JUST DO IT! Spread the field and just go up tempo no huddle as the base offense, RIGHT NOW, instead of waiting until game 9 when they are 2-6.

It won't happen though. You know why? Because we do what we do.

[Defense]

Great post , I agree 100% .

Noticed the same last night , and thought the same exact thing.

[Nick79]

No, he sucked

The guy who is supposed to be top 5 in the league has sucked for 75% of the season so far

I made my opinion known early and often that he needed to put this team on his back and put points on the board. He's failing at that so far. Even Bill Cowher in pregame talking about how their identity had to be offense now.

Great, even Cowher wants to do that. Then quit dicking around and JUST DO IT! Spread the field and just go up tempo no huddle as the base offense, RIGHT NOW, instead of waiting until game 9 when they are 2-6.

It won't happen though. You know why? Because we do what we do.

You're right, next Sunday night, they will come out, open with the 1 yard run on the stretch play and try to chew some clock, obviously.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

I want to change my 10-6 to 6-10, but it's week 2, and maybe we can turn it around. We had 3 turnovers that = points, maybe we can turn this shit around? But I will say, our D is the biggest problem, they are garbage. Forget about what LeBeau has "done for us in the past" and fuck it, change shit!

Nope, cant do that. Since DL is a HoF player and a HoF coach, an innovator of both the Zone Blitz and the Softee Bend But Dont Break Cushion D he cant be the problem. Ever. He knows things and sees things that we never do. His Jedi mind powers dwarf our puny little minds. We arent fit to criticize any of the coaches, because we dont spend the time with the team and see what they see. There is no problem whatsoever with Butler, LeBeau or Mitchell. Or our defensive scheme or talent. Its just that the overwhelming awesomeness of that synergy hasnt been fully recognized by our opponents. Have no fear, that moment of apotheosis will come and our foes will be dazzled and lie stunned and impotent before us. All will be well with the world. Oh, and if you put a little Steeler helmet under your pillow each night, it will hasten the process. Now eat your cookies and milk and go to sleep.

[Nick79]

I want to change my 10-6 to 6-10, but it's week 2, and maybe we can turn it around. We had 3 turnovers that = points, maybe we can turn this shit around? But I will say, our D is the biggest problem, they are garbage. Forget about what LeBeau has "done for us in the past" and fuck it, change shit!

Nope, cant do that. Since DL is a HoF player and a HoF coach, an innovator of both the Zone Blitz and the Softee Bend But Dont Break Cushion D he cant be the problem. Ever. He knows things and sees things that we never do. We arent fit to criticize any of the coaches, because we dont spend the time with the team and see what they see. There is no problem whatsoever with Butler, LeBeau or Mitchell. Or our defensive scheme or talent. Its just that the overwhelming awesomeness of that synergy hasnt been fully recognized by our opponents. Have no fear, that moment of apotheosis will come and our foes will be dazzled and lie stunned and impotent before us. All will be well with the world. Oh, and if you put a little Steeler helmet under your pillow each night, it will hasten the process.

And besides, we can't ever get rid of him until he decides, after all he's done for us, we should just be grateful and let him decide on his own time when he's ready, even if it takes another decade.