Steelers blew it with Klint Kubiak

[Ice]

yes .. its a bit odd IMO
Hard to not draw bad conclusions from the process, statements and outcome

Scheelhaase being an hc candidate to us, but mcvay going outside of the organization to bring in Kingsbury when LaFleur left instead of just promoting Scheelhaas to the non-play calling rams OC job is a rough look as well. There may still be some face-saving job title changes, but geez.

Scheelhaase sounded a bit like Tomlin in his interview we were told. I wonder if he's an empty suit and McVay knows that. Could be why he slapped him in the face and brought in Kingsbury.

But if Scheelhaase was an empty suit and Shula bombed his interview, what does that say about the candidates we sourced for the head coaching position? That tells me we did a poor job getting a competitive slate of candidates to interview. So, McCarthy clearly would have shone brightly over the rest.

That might be, oddly, the most positive possible takeaway.

[.Kodiak]

But if Scheelhaase was an empty suit and Shula bombed his interview, what does that say about the candidates we sourced for the head coaching position? That tells me we did a poor job getting a competitive slate of candidates to interview.

Frightening thought....Ben Johnson could be the coaching version of Pittsburgh's Marino mistake.

Of course, if these are the guys they brought in they probably were unimpressed with Johnson. I mean, they had Tomlin - who in their right mind would have gone with the unproven Johnson?!?!?!!?

[Ice]

But if Scheelhaase was an empty suit and Shula bombed his interview, what does that say about the candidates we sourced for the head coaching position? That tells me we did a poor job getting a competitive slate of candidates to interview.

Frightening thought....Ben Johnson could be the coaching version of Pittsburgh's Marino mistake.

Of course, if these are the guys they brought in they probably were unimpressed with Johnson. I mean, they had Tomlin - who in their right mind would have gone with the unproven Johnson?!?!?!!?

I think Johnson was a different animal from Scheelhaase. He'd called plays for multiple years, built and designed that offense, and had been the hot name for more than one hiring cycle. So, yeah, if you're looking for one who got away...

[bradshaw2ben]

I'm going to wonder about this one. How many of the younger, more promising candidates interviewed didn't like what they were hearing about their roles from management?

I don't know. You have to be hot shit - and know it - to walk away from a job like the Steelers because you think something better is out there [and possibly not even this year].

And there's no guarantees. Even if your dream job comes open, you'll be competing with at least half a dozen others for that job.

So what I do think is that no one was pre-emptively turning down PIT without even hearing the pitch. It is, after all, one of only 31 other jobs like it.

I'm sure word gets around that there are limitations placed on "how we do things around here" on offense. As I've been saying for years, why would any receiver or QB or OC or Offensive HC in their right mind want to work under Art Rooney's neanderthal guardrails for what is "Steelers Football"? That's worse than working for the Raiders or Browns.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I'm going to wonder about this one. How many of the younger, more promising candidates interviewed didn't like what they were hearing about their roles from management?

I don't know. You have to be hot shit - and know it - to walk away from a job like the Steelers because you think something better is out there [and possibly not even this year].

And there's no guarantees. Even if your dream job comes open, you'll be competing with at least half a dozen others for that job.

So what I do think is that no one was pre-emptively turning down PIT without even hearing the pitch. It is, after all, one of only 31 other jobs like it.

I'm sure word gets around that there are limitations placed on "how we do things around here" on offense. As I've been saying for years, why would any receiver or QB or OC or Offensive HC in their right mind want to work under Art Rooney's neanderthal guardrails for what is "Steelers Football"? That's worse than working for the Raiders or Browns.

[.Kodiak]

I'm sure word gets around that there are limitations placed on "how we do things around here" on offense.

I'll believe that when I see McCarthy run the same offense the last 4 guys have.

And, no, I don't believe that. I just don't share this version of a meddling Deuce dictating neanderthal football that so many others have, for some reason, other than some of the old excuses for Tomlin are hard to break. That shit offense was 100% Tomlin.

I think Deuce gives the HC nearly complete autonomy. And picking a guy who didn't think the roster was dog shit [because it isn't] doesn't refute that.

[Havoc]

Scheelhaase being an hc candidate to us, but mcvay going outside of the organization to bring in Kingsbury when LaFleur left instead of just promoting Scheelhaas to the non-play calling rams OC job is a rough look as well. There may still be some face-saving job title changes, but geez.

Scheelhaase sounded a bit like Tomlin in his interview we were told. I wonder if he's an empty suit and McVay knows that. Could be why he slapped him in the face and brought in Kingsbury.

But if Scheelhaase was an empty suit and Shula bombed his interview, what does that say about the candidates we sourced for the head coaching position? That tells me we did a poor job getting a competitive slate of candidates to interview. So, McCarthy clearly would have shone brightly over the rest.

That might be, oddly, the most positive possible takeaway.

Yes