Pickett traded to Eagles

[tbsteel]

Pickett was NOT Tomlin's guy.

He was 100% an Art II pick.

No first round grade on him -- made up their mind to draft him before the Senior Bowl -- Art specifically said he didn't want to pass on the Pitt QB like his dad did -- Art's ridiculous "he broke all of Dan Marino's records" praise.

Yea, just fuck off. Tomlin ball washed Pickett just as much as Art II did. The notion that a coach who has been in his position for two decades had a QB forced on him is bullshit. And it was Tomlin who threw Pickett into the fire in his rookie season. It was Tomlin who continued to trot Pickett out there week after week.

But you've been singing the same song with Tomlin for a decade now.

The *only* reason Pickett is gone right now is because he demanded a trade.

Tomlin also hand picked Canada to NOT develop him. I hope he trades for the Chicago QB and takes another garbage QB in the 1st. Let's just burn this fucker to the ground this year and be done with this fucking fraud.

Tomlin wanted to bench Pickett before firing Canada last year.

Art made the call to fire Canada.

Pickett was incredibly entitled.

[CoolShades]

They have a clown who is a fucking fraud as HC, and a woke owner scared to death of firing his fraudulent ass.

This same shit would be going on regardless of skin color CoolShades. You have cool shades and blinders blocking the light.

If we had a white coach with same problem with the playoff victories of late, some organizations would fire the guy. Not the Steelers. Pretty certain the Steeler organization is color blind and we’d have Marty Schottenheimer for 2 decades.

Dude… WE HAVE MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER. Since 2007. Marty was a little bit better in regular season and Tomlin a skish better in postseason… but those are two peas in a pod, man. The two biggest lovers of attrition, old school, “when you pass only three things can happen and two of them are bad” football.

I used to say that Jibbs was Black Marty, but that’s an insult to Marty.

If you look at his record, Marty was an amazing HC. He took over a terrible Cleveland Browns team mid-season 1984. (They finished 5-11, but Marty was 4-4). In two years, they were 12-4 and in the AFC championship game. He lost back to back AFC championship games at home to the Broncos, one from “The Fumble”, one from “The Drive”. Bad luck? Certainly “the Fumble” was. “The Drive” was also brutal to watch. But the man was on the doorstep of the SB two straight seasons in Cleveland. He was canned after going 10-6 and losing in the first round of the playoffs to the Houston Oilers in 1988. FIRED

1989, Marty went to the 4-11-1 KC Chiefs, and in his first season finished 8-7-1. The following season, the chiefs went 11-5, but were one and done in the playoffs (lost by a point to Dan Marino). 1991, the Chiefs finished 10-6 and 1-1 in the playoffs. 1992, 10-6, 0-1 in playoffs. 1993, 11-5, lost in AFC Championship game to the Bills. 1994, 9-7, 0-1 in playoffs. 1995, 13-3, 0-1 in playoffs. 1996, 9-7, 1997, 13-3, 0-1, 1998, 7-9 FIRED.

He didn’t get a HC job again until 2001, and went 8-8 with the Redskins.

Then left for SD in 2002, and took a 5-11 team to 8-8 in his first season, then after dipping to 4-12 in 2003, went 12-4 in 2004, 0-1 in playoffs. 2005, 9-7, 2006, 14-2, 0-1 in playoffs. FIRED.

A couple of points.

1. Marty consistently took over terrible franchises and made them into winners. Rebuilt the team and the culture. Jibbs has NEVER had to do this. Not once. Tomlin was gifted an 8-8 Cowher team one year removed from winning a Super Bowl, and a young franchise QB.

2. Marty was constantly fired after playoff failures, even though the franchise he was coaching was terrible before he arrived. His last job in SD, he was fired after a 14-2 regular season! Jibbs has obviously never been fired, and his claim to fame is NHALS. It doesn’t matter what he does, because he’s a leader of men.


Marty was terrible in the playoffs (5-13) So is Jibbs (overall losing record 8-10, 3-9 in his last 12). What would the world think of Marty if he won an AFC championship game in Cleveland and maybe a SB? Was it Marty that fumbled the ball? Was it Marty who gave up a 98-yd Drive? Was it Jibbs who intercepted a pass right before halftime and rumbled 100 yds for a TD with no time on the clock? Was it Jibbs who threw a TD pass into triple coverage in the end zone or caught the tip-toe TD pass?

That’s the difference. One guy had great luck, one guy had terrible luck. But one guy will most likely get a gold jacket and bust in Canton, and maybe the NFL Coach of the Year award named after him, while the other guy is a punchline.

But which coach had more impact on the game? Which guy would you hire if given the choice between the two?

Look at Marty’s coaching tree (which includes Cowher). Look at Jibb’s coaching tree. Marty turned around 3 franchises. Jibbs drove one into the ground.

These two aren’t even close. Marty just couldn’t get over the hump. I wonder what Marty could have done if he was given the 2007 Steelers, and Ben as his QB? If Marty didn’t pucker in the playoffs with his “play not to lose” approach, he may have gone down as one of the greatest coaches of all time.

[anpsteel]

No a bad choice.

Also, Dobbs, Tannehill, Fields, Wentz and Woodside are the other names that come to mind. And/or a draft pick, of course.

Yeah, I’m not concerned about who they fill the QB room with this season, because barring Wilson playing out of his mind, this is a 1 year “prove it” deal

Maybe for Tomlin too.

Next season is the new QB and new coach. Fingers fucking crossed

I don't see it this way at all. This is Rooney giving Tomlin the green light to do whatever the fuck he wants, but to get it done. Tomlin's seat may be getting warm, but he aint the door next year.

This is as proximate to a rebuild as you can get without rebuilding by unloading the superest super stars.

I can see both sides of this argument, so I understand where you’re coming from


But looking at this from the Glass, half full perspective, I am still hopeful that somehow this results in Tomlin getting canned lol

imo -this absolutely feels like a “must win now”, situation we are watching

[anpsteel]

This same shit would be going on regardless of skin color CoolShades. You have cool shades and blinders blocking the light.

If we had a white coach with same problem with the playoff victories of late, some organizations would fire the guy. Not the Steelers. Pretty certain the Steeler organization is color blind and we’d have Marty Schottenheimer for 2 decades.

Dude… WE HAVE MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER. Since 2007. Marty was a little bit better in regular season and Tomlin a skish better in postseason… but those are two peas in a pod, man. The two biggest lovers of attrition, old school, “when you pass only three things can happen and two of them are bad” football.

I used to say that Jibbs was Black Marty, but that’s an insult to Marty.

If you look at his record, Marty was an amazing HC. He took over a terrible Cleveland Browns team mid-season 1984. (They finished 5-11, but Marty was 4-4). In two years, they were 12-4 and in the AFC championship game. He lost back to back AFC championship games at home to the Broncos, one from “The Fumble”, one from “The Drive”. Bad luck? Certainly “the Fumble” was. “The Drive” was also brutal to watch. But the man was on the doorstep of the SB two straight seasons in Cleveland. He was canned after going 10-6 and losing in the first round of the playoffs to the Houston Oilers in 1988. FIRED

1989, Marty went to the 4-11-1 KC Chiefs, and in his first season finished 8-7-1. The following season, the chiefs went 11-5, but were one and done in the playoffs (lost by a point to Dan Marino). 1991, the Chiefs finished 10-6 and 1-1 in the playoffs. 1992, 10-6, 0-1 in playoffs. 1993, 11-5, lost in AFC Championship game to the Bills. 1994, 9-7, 0-1 in playoffs. 1995, 13-3, 0-1 in playoffs. 1996, 9-7, 1997, 13-3, 0-1, 1998, 7-9 FIRED.

He didn’t get a HC job again until 2001, and went 8-8 with the Redskins.

Then left for SD in 2002, and took a 5-11 team to 8-8 in his first season, then after dipping to 4-12 in 2003, went 12-4 in 2004, 0-1 in playoffs. 2005, 9-7, 2006, 14-2, 0-1 in playoffs. FIRED.

A couple of points.

1. Marty consistently took over terrible franchises and made them into winners. Rebuilt the team and the culture. Jibbs has NEVER had to do this. Not once. Tomlin was gifted an 8-8 Cowher team one year removed from winning a Super Bowl, and a young franchise QB.

2. Marty was constantly fired after playoff failures, even though the franchise he was coaching was terrible before he arrived. His last job in SD, he was fired after a 14-2 regular season! Jibbs has obviously never been fired, and his claim to fame is NHALS. It doesn’t matter what he does, because he’s a leader of men.


Marty was terrible in the playoffs (5-13) So is Jibbs (overall losing record 8-10, 3-9 in his last 12). What would the world think of Marty if he won an AFC championship game in Cleveland and maybe a SB? Was it Marty that fumbled the ball? Was it Marty who gave up a 98-yd Drive? Was it Jibbs who intercepted a pass right before halftime and rumbled 100 yds for a TD with no time on the clock? Was it Jibbs who threw a TD pass into triple coverage in the end zone or caught the tip-toe TD pass?

That’s the difference. One guy had great luck, one guy had terrible luck. But one guy will most likely get a gold jacket and bust in Canton, and maybe the NFL Coach of the Year award named after him, while the other guy is a punchline.

But which coach had more impact on the game? Which guy would you hire if given the choice between the two?

Look at Marty’s coaching tree (which includes Cowher). Look at Jibb’s coaching tree. Marty turned around 3 franchises. Jibbs drove one into the ground.

These two aren’t even close. Marty just couldn’t get over the hump. I wonder what Marty could have done if he was given the 2007 Steelers, and Ben as his QB? If Marty didn’t pucker in the playoffs with his “play not to lose” approach, he may have gone down as one of the greatest coaches of all time.

I am of the opinion that Marty’s playoff losses are similar in reason to Tomlin’s playoff losses


And that is, they play too conservative.


In Tomlin’s case, he runs the exact same scheme on both sides of the ball, makes no significant adjustments based upon the opponents weaknesses and tendencies

So what happens the opponent comes out prepared for that and blows the doors off the team for the first 2 quarters before Tomlin wakes up

[Steeldrama]

Yea, just fuck off. Tomlin ball washed Pickett just as much as Art II did. The notion that a coach who has been in his position for two decades had a QB forced on him is bullshit. And it was Tomlin who threw Pickett into the fire in his rookie season. It was Tomlin who continued to trot Pickett out there week after week.


But you've been singing the same song with Tomlin for a decade now.

The *only* reason Pickett is gone right now is because he demanded a trade.

Tomlin also hand picked Canada to NOT develop him. I hope he trades for the Chicago QB and takes another garbage QB in the 1st. Let's just burn this fucker to the ground this year and be done with this fucking fraud.

Tomlin wanted to bench Pickett before firing Canada last year.

Art made the call to fire Canada.

Art at least got it half right

Easier to lay blame on Tomlin for hiring Dino’s boy than to admit his own mistake of drafting the guy who broke Marino’s passing records

The bigger issue is Art and Tomlin both making the franchise crippling mistakes IN THE FIRST PLACE

HOPEFULLY Khan is man enough to lock both Deuce and Tomlin out of the draft room AND tell both those jerkoffs they’re making HUGE mistakes before they make them

Colbert was either as big of pussy as Kenny or just as dumb as Deuce and Tomlin

Either way THAT was one threesome I’m glad is over and done with

[CoolShades]

In the last 7 years the Steelers have reached badly twice for two busts~Pickett and Bush.
Funny how they never moved on from Bush on his rookie contract but they sure did on Pickett.
Yup, not sure who said it here, Pickett wasn't a MT pick and thankfully the organization acted fairly quickly on moving on from the bust. Bush was an MT pick and he played out his rookie C.
Funny how this shit works.

Kudos for moving up 22 spots in the 2024 draft and it only cost a pussy bust QB.

Yeah, nothing is Tomlin’s fault. He didn’t want Kenny. 15 year HC at the time of the pick, and he had NO SAY in drafting Pickett. He didn’t want Mitch, either. Nope! Colbert just jammed players down his throat. I wonder who decided to draft that 7th round QB Oladukon? Colbert, no doubt. He probably wanted to draft Harvin too, and keep him for 3 years over better options. Colbert made Tomlin play Dotson out of position too. And draft and start Kendrick Green at center for Ben’s last year. Amazing how the HC of this vaunted franchise has no control over his roster. A HOF coach, too. Tsk, tsk.

Right.

Now, everything is Colbert’s fault. I’m sure Tomlin had no say in moving up to draft Bush, either. Or hiring and retaining that brilliant offensive mind of Canada’s. No, that was cheap ass Rooney, because he makes all of Tomlin’s staff hires. And Pickett? He almost cost poor Jibbs his job! I don’t know how the brilliant Mike Tomlin preserves. Thank goodness the Steelers have kept him over everyone.

Hell, for all Tomlin isn’t responsible for, we could ALL do his job.

[CoolShades]

Dude… WE HAVE MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER. Since 2007. Marty was a little bit better in regular season and Tomlin a skish better in postseason… but those are two peas in a pod, man. The two biggest lovers of attrition, old school, “when you pass only three things can happen and two of them are bad” football.

I used to say that Jibbs was Black Marty, but that’s an insult to Marty.

If you look at his record, Marty was an amazing HC. He took over a terrible Cleveland Browns team mid-season 1984. (They finished 5-11, but Marty was 4-4). In two years, they were 12-4 and in the AFC championship game. He lost back to back AFC championship games at home to the Broncos, one from “The Fumble”, one from “The Drive”. Bad luck? Certainly “the Fumble” was. “The Drive” was also brutal to watch. But the man was on the doorstep of the SB two straight seasons in Cleveland. He was canned after going 10-6 and losing in the first round of the playoffs to the Houston Oilers in 1988. FIRED

1989, Marty went to the 4-11-1 KC Chiefs, and in his first season finished 8-7-1. The following season, the chiefs went 11-5, but were one and done in the playoffs (lost by a point to Dan Marino). 1991, the Chiefs finished 10-6 and 1-1 in the playoffs. 1992, 10-6, 0-1 in playoffs. 1993, 11-5, lost in AFC Championship game to the Bills. 1994, 9-7, 0-1 in playoffs. 1995, 13-3, 0-1 in playoffs. 1996, 9-7, 1997, 13-3, 0-1, 1998, 7-9 FIRED.

He didn’t get a HC job again until 2001, and went 8-8 with the Redskins.

Then left for SD in 2002, and took a 5-11 team to 8-8 in his first season, then after dipping to 4-12 in 2003, went 12-4 in 2004, 0-1 in playoffs. 2005, 9-7, 2006, 14-2, 0-1 in playoffs. FIRED.

A couple of points.

1. Marty consistently took over terrible franchises and made them into winners. Rebuilt the team and the culture. Jibbs has NEVER had to do this. Not once. Tomlin was gifted an 8-8 Cowher team one year removed from winning a Super Bowl, and a young franchise QB.

2. Marty was constantly fired after playoff failures, even though the franchise he was coaching was terrible before he arrived. His last job in SD, he was fired after a 14-2 regular season! Jibbs has obviously never been fired, and his claim to fame is NHALS. It doesn’t matter what he does, because he’s a leader of men.


Marty was terrible in the playoffs (5-13) So is Jibbs (overall losing record 8-10, 3-9 in his last 12). What would the world think of Marty if he won an AFC championship game in Cleveland and maybe a SB? Was it Marty that fumbled the ball? Was it Marty who gave up a 98-yd Drive? Was it Jibbs who intercepted a pass right before halftime and rumbled 100 yds for a TD with no time on the clock? Was it Jibbs who threw a TD pass into triple coverage in the end zone or caught the tip-toe TD pass?

That’s the difference. One guy had great luck, one guy had terrible luck. But one guy will most likely get a gold jacket and bust in Canton, and maybe the NFL Coach of the Year award named after him, while the other guy is a punchline.

But which coach had more impact on the game? Which guy would you hire if given the choice between the two?

Look at Marty’s coaching tree (which includes Cowher). Look at Jibb’s coaching tree. Marty turned around 3 franchises. Jibbs drove one into the ground.

These two aren’t even close. Marty just couldn’t get over the hump. I wonder what Marty could have done if he was given the 2007 Steelers, and Ben as his QB? If Marty didn’t pucker in the playoffs with his “play not to lose” approach, he may have gone down as one of the greatest coaches of all time.

I am of the opinion that Marty’s playoff losses are similar in reason to Tomlin’s playoff losses


And that is, they play too conservative.


In Tomlin’s case, he runs the exact same scheme on both sides of the ball, makes no significant adjustments based upon the opponents weaknesses and tendencies

So what happens the opponent comes out prepared for that and blows the doors off the team for the first 2 quarters before Tomlin wakes up

I agree. That’s also why Cowher almost got fired. He was a Marty disciple and his playoff record was very similar. Cowher also played not to lose. I read something about Cowher and how he coached. Shorten the game, take time off the clock, keep it close and try to win in the 4th Quarter. That was Marty and that is Jibbs. That might work during the regular season, but it clearly doesn’t work in the post season. Playing conservative and not to lose always seems to backfire. A playoff team is usually good enough to win the game if they are within one score.

Hell, Cowher’s only SB was won because of a miracle Ben tackle in Indy and a shanked FG. That tackle was Cowher’s gold jacket, and without that tackle, he’s Marty Jr.

[tbsteel]

Tomlin also hand picked Canada to NOT develop him. I hope he trades for the Chicago QB and takes another garbage QB in the 1st. Let's just burn this fucker to the ground this year and be done with this fucking fraud.

Tomlin wanted to bench Pickett before firing Canada last year.

Art made the call to fire Canada.

Art at least got it half right

Easier to lay blame on Tomlin for hiring Dino’s boy than to admit his own mistake of drafting the guy who broke Marino’s passing records

The bigger issue is Art and Tomlin both making the franchise crippling mistakes IN THE FIRST PLACE

HOPEFULLY Khan is man enough to lock both Deuce and Tomlin out of the draft room AND tell both those jerkoffs they’re making HUGE mistakes before they make them

Colbert was either as big of pussy as Kenny or just as dumb as Deuce and Tomlin

Either way THAT was one threesome I’m glad is over and done with

Agreed. I'm hopeful after the Pickett debacle that Art II takes a step or two back and that, coupled with the draft Khan put together last year, helps give Khan a stronger voice in the room and more control.

With Colbert, I think a lot of it speaks to and summarizes the Steelers macro issues over the last decade: hubris. I'm sure it was an easy sell job to Colbert with Art making the call that if Pickett is was there at 20 they were going to take him. Colbert delivered us Ben, and in his arrogance I'm sure thought this would be a final gift to the team to bless them with a new franchise QB on his way out the door in all his amazing genius. But Colbert had lost the touch years before that and Pickett was far and away not the guy. That should have been obvious but Art gonna Art. Hopefully this egg on his face forces him to sit more in the corner and shut the fuck up.

It's refreshing to see what Khan is doing. Gives me some hope that we can get back to really contending in a couple of years.

[the-other-burg]

So basically we give them KP and then trade 4th round picks.

Thats a nice haul for 2022 first round draft pick.

[Steeldrama]

So basically we give them KP and then trade 4th round picks.

Thats a nice haul for 2022 first round draft pick.

Noooo it’s a nice haul for a whiny bitch bust that by all rights could’ve and should’ve been outright released.

Follow the bouncing ball

[jebrick]

Tomlin wanted to bench Pickett before firing Canada last year.

Art made the call to fire Canada.

Art at least got it half right

Easier to lay blame on Tomlin for hiring Dino’s boy than to admit his own mistake of drafting the guy who broke Marino’s passing records

The bigger issue is Art and Tomlin both making the franchise crippling mistakes IN THE FIRST PLACE

HOPEFULLY Khan is man enough to lock both Deuce and Tomlin out of the draft room AND tell both those jerkoffs they’re making HUGE mistakes before they make them

Colbert was either as big of pussy as Kenny or just as dumb as Deuce and Tomlin

Either way THAT was one threesome I’m glad is over and done with

Agreed. I'm hopeful after the Pickett debacle that Art II takes a step or two back and that, coupled with the draft Khan put together last year, helps give Khan a stronger voice in the room and more control.

With Colbert, I think a lot of it speaks to and summarizes the Steelers macro issues over the last decade: hubris. I'm sure it was an easy sell job to Colbert with Art making the call that if Pickett is was there at 20 they were going to take him. Colbert delivered us Ben, and in his arrogance I'm sure thought this would be a final gift to the team to bless them with a new franchise QB on his way out the door in all his amazing genius. But Colbert had lost the touch years before that and Pickett was far and away not the guy. That should have been obvious but Art gonna Art. Hopefully this egg on his face forces him to sit more in the corner and shut the fuck up.

It's refreshing to see what Khan is doing. Gives me some hope that we can get back to really contending in a couple of years.

By all accounts, DanR pushed for Ben. Cowher wanted the OT.
Canada was an AR2 hire and would bet that KP was a AR2 draft. Anthony Rooney can't get trained fast enough.

[CoolShades]

Art at least got it half right

Easier to lay blame on Tomlin for hiring Dino’s boy than to admit his own mistake of drafting the guy who broke Marino’s passing records

The bigger issue is Art and Tomlin both making the franchise crippling mistakes IN THE FIRST PLACE

HOPEFULLY Khan is man enough to lock both Deuce and Tomlin out of the draft room AND tell both those jerkoffs they’re making HUGE mistakes before they make them

Colbert was either as big of pussy as Kenny or just as dumb as Deuce and Tomlin

Either way THAT was one threesome I’m glad is over and done with

Agreed. I'm hopeful after the Pickett debacle that Art II takes a step or two back and that, coupled with the draft Khan put together last year, helps give Khan a stronger voice in the room and more control.

With Colbert, I think a lot of it speaks to and summarizes the Steelers macro issues over the last decade: hubris. I'm sure it was an easy sell job to Colbert with Art making the call that if Pickett is was there at 20 they were going to take him. Colbert delivered us Ben, and in his arrogance I'm sure thought this would be a final gift to the team to bless them with a new franchise QB on his way out the door in all his amazing genius. But Colbert had lost the touch years before that and Pickett was far and away not the guy. That should have been obvious but Art gonna Art. Hopefully this egg on his face forces him to sit more in the corner and shut the fuck up.

It's refreshing to see what Khan is doing. Gives me some hope that we can get back to really contending in a couple of years.

By all accounts, DanR pushed for Ben. Cowher wanted the OT.
Canada was an AR2 hire and would bet that KP was a AR2 draft. Anthony Rooney can't get trained fast enough.

Canada was NOT a Rooney hire. He SUGGESTED to Tomlin that Canada was available, (and that was for QB coach or whatever he was hired in as), but he left the decision to Mediocre Mike. Tomlin made the hire. Tomlin also promoted him to OC by his big boy self. Art2 was interviewed about it and he clearly stated that all coaching/staffing decisions are left to mediocre Mike. But hey, Teflon Tomlin theory #1. Rooney is a cheap bastard!

Oh, and this is also a new classic. Teflon Tomlin theory #2. Pickett was an AR2 Draft! Right. A HC who had entirely too much power and control in the Colbert draft room had no idea they were taking Pickett? GTFO.

You want a rumor that makes sense? Colbert left because he lost a power struggle with Mediocre Mike. AR2 picked Tomlin over Colbert when Colbert was being over-ruled in the draft room and wanted control back. The beginning of the end was when they moved up to take Tomlin’s pet Devin Bush, who is the godson of Tomlin’s buddy from Tampa, Derrick Brooks. Imagine making a draft mistake like that based on a personal relationship.

Jesus Christ. What, in your mind, is Tomlin responsible for anyway? Besides NHALS and making tiktok videos with his “boys”, that is?

[Jams]

Agreed. I'm hopeful after the Pickett debacle that Art II takes a step or two back and that, coupled with the draft Khan put together last year, helps give Khan a stronger voice in the room and more control.

With Colbert, I think a lot of it speaks to and summarizes the Steelers macro issues over the last decade: hubris. I'm sure it was an easy sell job to Colbert with Art making the call that if Pickett is was there at 20 they were going to take him. Colbert delivered us Ben, and in his arrogance I'm sure thought this would be a final gift to the team to bless them with a new franchise QB on his way out the door in all his amazing genius. But Colbert had lost the touch years before that and Pickett was far and away not the guy. That should have been obvious but Art gonna Art. Hopefully this egg on his face forces him to sit more in the corner and shut the fuck up.

It's refreshing to see what Khan is doing. Gives me some hope that we can get back to really contending in a couple of years.

By all accounts, DanR pushed for Ben. Cowher wanted the OT.
Canada was an AR2 hire and would bet that KP was a AR2 draft. Anthony Rooney can't get trained fast enough.

Canada was NOT a Rooney hire. He SUGGESTED to Tomlin that Canada was available, (and that was for QB coach or whatever he was hired in as), but he left the decision to Mediocre Mike. Tomlin made the hire. Tomlin also promoted him to OC by his big boy self. Art2 was interviewed about it and he clearly stated that all coaching/staffing decisions are left to mediocre Mike. But hey, Teflon Tomlin theory #1. Rooney is a cheap bastard!

Oh, and this is also a new classic. Teflon Tomlin theory #2. Pickett was an AR2 Draft! Right. A HC who had entirely too much power and control in the Colbert draft room had no idea they were taking Pickett? GTFO.

You want a rumor that makes sense? Colbert left because he lost a power struggle with Mediocre Mike. AR2 picked Tomlin over Colbert when Colbert was being over-ruled in the draft room and wanted control back. The beginning of the end was when they moved up to take Tomlin’s pet Devin Bush, who is the godson of Tomlin’s buddy from Tampa, Derrick Brooks. Imagine making a draft mistake like that based on a personal relationship.

Jesus Christ. What, in your mind, is Tomlin responsible for anyway? Besides NHALS and making tiktok videos with his “boys”, that is?

You guys know that both Tomlin and Pickett can suck, and they both do.

[Havoc]

I'm going to push back a little on Pickett.

Some on the board talk about how awful Tomlin is for offense and how awful Canada was for offense and Meyer and the OL and yet when it comes to Pickett it's zero context, no mercy... QB in a vacuum.

Those historically bad Pickett numbers are the totality of Tomlin/Canada/Meyer/a bad OL/poor QB play

I've seen plenty of utter garbage no talent stiffs play quarterback in the NFL thru the decades with less talent than Pickett.

And I was never a Pickett guy just to be clear. I want to draft a QB prospect with some level of elite physical tools

[langer]

Kenny Football is opening his mouth now and is looking like the chump he is.

He can whine and cry all he wants, at the end of the day he was the starter and he sucked. Thats not on Canada and Coach Mike.

Frickin New Jersey douchebag.

[DP39]

While I'm no KP fan, if I was an NFL QB or WR I'd do everything in my power to get as far away from Mike Tomlin as possible. He won't develop you or get you paid (in Pittsburgh, at least).

[Jobu]

While I'm no KP fan, if I was an NFL QB or WR I'd do everything in my power to get as far away from Mike Tomlin as possible. He won't develop you or get you paid (in Pittsburgh, at least).

Yep. Which is why I expect George Pickens to be the next one asking to be traded.

[K_C_]

Kenny Football is opening his mouth now and is looking like the chump he is.

He can whine and cry all he wants, at the end of the day he was the starter and he sucked. Thats not on Canada and Coach Mike.

Frickin New Jersey douchebag.

I still think Kenny can be a good NFL QB (I get it, I'm in a small minority and don't care) but I do find it unbelievable he very likely refused to be the emergency QB late in the year when Mason had the hot hand and was anything but cordial when Russell Wilson, a possible (probable?) Hall of Famer, reached out to Pickett.

That just fucking floors me. Again, I think Kenny got fucked over by having Matt Canada for almost his two full years as his OC and I believe "don't make mistakes" was drilled into Pickett's head until all attacking instinct were removed by Tomlinada, but Jesus H. Christ, be a fucking professional.

If Kenny would have welcomed Russell with open arms publicly and in the locker room and then went home and threw chairs and punched walls, I could understand it, but maybe he could have learned something from a possible Hall of Fame QB who is on a 1 year deal. Pickett almost certainly would have been the starter in Pittsburgh next season.

Now he's behind a young QB in Philly that has already been an MVP candidate and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

What a gooddamn fool he was.....and I'll bet deep down, Kenny knows that now.

[Stillchest]

Kenny Football is opening his mouth now and is looking like the chump he is.

He can whine and cry all he wants, at the end of the day he was the starter and he sucked. Thats not on Canada and Coach Mike.

Frickin New Jersey douchebag.

Pickett will never move the QB needle nor be a QB any team can build around, but Tomlin's football philosophy would kill any QB's career.

Until Art II and Tomlin are gone, the Steelers will not become a legit championship contender, imo.

[langer]

I've said it a thousand times, the team needs a sports psychologist on staff. One who isn't just one of Tomlin's buddies.

Its obvious Kenny didn't have the mindset needed to be a legit QB. Still doesn't. He's stuck in adolescence, with his pouting and acting out.

His mental toolbox is empty. The reason why Canada was placed on the sideline was to help Kenny, not to punish or help Canada. I feel sorry for that dude now, knowing what he had to work with.

How many other QBs have been fucked over by stupid coaches and teams. Mayfield for one. Look at his resiliency.

But Kenny can't learn anything even from Mason, who got royally fucked over by his team and by the media and that shitbag Brown? Thats mindset. He didn't work on improving his.

BTW, I know why the Browns wear orange, it's the color of the Cuyahoga River that runs next to that dump.