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Re: Jailbreaks and Kenny Running for His Life:

Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:11 pm

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:05 am
LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:56 am
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Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:38 am
LakecrestSteeler can watch all the all-22 he wants. He doesn't know what NFL open is so it's irrelevant.
This isn’t about NFL open. You can cherry pick the mistakes sure. But why not max protect with this simpleton offense? Why on earth were they not max protecting? Why was Warren benched all 3rd quarter?

Why can’t the Steelers execute these fucking screens?

Watch the screens…just complete jailbreaks on the incompletions. Broke his 5 completions in a row streak in the fourth. Might have been a 4th QTR comeback in the making but our OC can’t orchestrate all the functions to deliver a simple screen play.

Tomlin and Canada can’t even make Pickett look average. This offense is a complete joke. Worst in the history of the NFL and our coach hasn’t done shit to address the glaring issues!

Max protect
Split back formation! Fuck Robinson. Put Harris and Warren together so they can’t fuck up the rushing splits!
Pro sets too!
I agree Steelers screen game sucks, and has for years, but screens are designed to let defenders through, a la a jailbreak.
They are not designed to have someone running full speed untouched. Usually a linemen is supposed to engage act like they have been beat, but hold for a count then hustle to the wall. These guys are coming in untouched.

As I said, which is the greater indictment of ineptitude, Kenny’s play or the coaching?

Perhaps some of things they are running are meant for the 6’ 5” or side arm slinging QBs. Kenny isn’t that. There are 2-3 screens that he had to throw at the receivers feet because it was a complete jailbreak….o-Line still needs to hold their guy for a count. Seems like every lineman is panicking and immediately sprinting to their wall setup. I am sure someone better than Canada could tweak those plays to fix the timing. You can’t have 6’5” guys with 7 foot wing spans running full speed at your 6’2” QB and expect good things to happen if they haven’t been slowed a count or knocked off their line a smidge.

I will continue to bitch more at Tomlin and Canada than I will at Pickett or the QB until this thing plays out. Nothing is being designed to QB’’s strength consistently…sporadic rollouts, sporadic max protect, sporadic use of Warren. I have already stated that we probably need to start looking at the draft for QB….but this 90% coaching. They should have been able to get a Cousins out of Pickett.

As I have stated earlier, Pickett is about 2 quarters away from the end of his NFL career. He has essentially been football raped by this offensive coordinator and offensive philosophy.

And the next QB will be joining the Pittsburgh QB survivors club too. Ben may even show up for getting 3-4 years removed from his career.

Survivor’s club meets every Wednesday.

Hi my name is Kenny and I was QB fucked by Canada and Tomlin…I am a survivor and I am finished as a QB.

Hi my name is Ben and I was physically abused by Tomlin and Canada and had my career cut short! I am still coming to terms…I will use uber-passive aggressive comments to heal moving forward! It soothes!

Hi My name is Josh…I didn’t realize Head Coach, OC and QB coaches are not supposed to touch like that and say QB inappropriate things until I left the cult. I then discovered that your offensive play doesn’t have to be an extension of the defense! I am survivor!



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Post by K_C_ » Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:16 pm

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:19 am
If he doesn't miss DJ running wide open for a touchdown, Steelers win plain and simple, instead takes a fucking sack and Steelers settle for game tying FG
Again, that’s easier said than done when pressure (which Pickett was under all fucking day) is coming right in your grill.

That happens far, far too much.
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Post by Riverrat » Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:42 pm

DK had a stat up that said KP is the only qb in the modern era 1970 and on (out of 355 qbs) who has a a td in less than 2 percent of his completions. He is a averaging 116 a game over 4 games with one td.

Man I get what you are saying about the coaching but you have to be at least good enough to elevate yourself from worst qb ever despite coaching or whatever.

For me it is the ceiling, no matter what it will never be in that top 10 of NFL qbs so we should be looking.

But yeah the game planned has, is and will continue to suck balls and fuck him as well.

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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:09 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:16 pm
StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:19 am
If he doesn't miss DJ running wide open for a touchdown, Steelers win plain and simple, instead takes a fucking sack and Steelers settle for game tying FG
Again, that’s easier said than done when pressure (which Pickett was under all fucking day) is coming right in your grill.

That happens far, far too much.

A big part of playing QB in the NFL is making big boy throws with a defender bearing down on you.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:19 pm

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:09 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:16 pm
StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:19 am
If he doesn't miss DJ running wide open for a touchdown, Steelers win plain and simple, instead takes a fucking sack and Steelers settle for game tying FG
Again, that’s easier said than done when pressure (which Pickett was under all fucking day) is coming right in your grill.

That happens far, far too much.

A big part of playing QB in the NFL is making big boy throws with a defender bearing down on you.
And we have all seen KP do that. He has had an umpteen seam route passes to Muth and Heyward. Why the regression? It is abysmal coaching.

As Steve Young says, and I subscribe to this, if you are a FQB, you will find a way. They all do.

Kenny is knee deep in the crucible of fire right now. It will play out appropriately! I don’t need to wait for the hot shot OC or the new OC to to evaluate and shit can Pickett…Sullivan calling plays the rest of the year is fine for me. I can evaluate based on that. Plenty of time to make a proper evaluation before the draft.

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Post by K_C_ » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:22 pm

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:09 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:16 pm
StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:19 am
If he doesn't miss DJ running wide open for a touchdown, Steelers win plain and simple, instead takes a fucking sack and Steelers settle for game tying FG
Again, that’s easier said than done when pressure (which Pickett was under all fucking day) is coming right in your grill.

That happens far, far too much.

A big part of playing QB in the NFL is making big boy throws with a defender bearing down on you.
....and Kenny stood in plenty last season and got BLASTED. Has done the same thing this year, early.

Now he's more worried about getting blasted then he is seeing the field. He's gun shy.

I think it's a combination of both Kenny needing to stand in there and accept he's gonna get creamed AND the o-line finally doing something to help the motherfucker out a little and keep him upright.

I forget what game it was earlier this season (Rams possibly or Raiders?) but Pickett was getting absolutely blasted over and over while trying to stay in the pocket. I mean, he was getting hit HARD on nearly every passing attempt.

Since then, he not done a good job of going through his progressions and is much more concerned with not getting hit.
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Post by StillerDownSouth » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:23 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:22 pm
StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:09 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:16 pm


Again, that’s easier said than done when pressure (which Pickett was under all fucking day) is coming right in your grill.

That happens far, far too much.

A big part of playing QB in the NFL is making big boy throws with a defender bearing down on you.
....and Kenny stood in plenty last season and got BLASTED. Has done the same thing this year, early.

Now he's more worried about getting blasted then he is seeing the field. He's gun shy.

I think it's a combination of both Kenny needing to stand in there and accept he's gonna get creamed AND the o-line finally doing something to help the motherfucker out a little and keep him upright.

I forget what game it was earlier this season (Rams possibly or Raiders?) but Pickett was getting absolutely blasted over and over while trying to stay in the pocket. I mean, he was getting hit HARD on nearly every passing attempt.

Since then, he not done a good job of going through his progressions and is much more concerned with not getting hit.

Agree with this, which is why I referred early to him getting David Carr'd, at this point he is probably ruined.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:36 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:22 pm
StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:09 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:16 pm


Again, that’s easier said than done when pressure (which Pickett was under all fucking day) is coming right in your grill.

That happens far, far too much.

A big part of playing QB in the NFL is making big boy throws with a defender bearing down on you.
....and Kenny stood in plenty last season and got BLASTED. Has done the same thing this year, early.

Now he's more worried about getting blasted then he is seeing the field. He's gun shy.

I think it's a combination of both Kenny needing to stand in there and accept he's gonna get creamed AND the o-line finally doing something to help the motherfucker out a little and keep him upright.

I forget what game it was earlier this season (Rams possibly or Raiders?) but Pickett was getting absolutely blasted over and over while trying to stay in the pocket. I mean, he was getting hit HARD on nearly every passing attempt.

Since then, he not done a good job of going through his progressions and is much more concerned with not getting hit.
Which is my point that it is mostly coaching and their relentless stubbornness to make simple adjustments.

Getting criticized for how to split Warren and Harris? QB getting killed, a bit gun shy? Have some all world rushers upcoming? Offensive line shitting the bed on all world rushers?

Here is a simple idea that I have been beating the drum about. Put Warren and Harris in split back formation and solve all the problems above!

Imagine that…all those problems disappear!
Max protect, check.
Easy hot routes for RBs, check.
Help for tackles, rookie, all world edge rushers, check.
Formations that disguise run, pass and allow a ton of motion if your sure of the defense deployed, check.
Perfect formation for tush push and QB sneaks, check.

Coaching coaching coaching. Make those changes and if Kenny can’t spread his wings out of that, 86 him.

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Post by K_C_ » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:37 pm

StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:23 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:22 pm
StillerDownSouth wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:09 pm



A big part of playing QB in the NFL is making big boy throws with a defender bearing down on you.
....and Kenny stood in plenty last season and got BLASTED. Has done the same thing this year, early.

Now he's more worried about getting blasted then he is seeing the field. He's gun shy.

I think it's a combination of both Kenny needing to stand in there and accept he's gonna get creamed AND the o-line finally doing something to help the motherfucker out a little and keep him upright.

I forget what game it was earlier this season (Rams possibly or Raiders?) but Pickett was getting absolutely blasted over and over while trying to stay in the pocket. I mean, he was getting hit HARD on nearly every passing attempt.

Since then, he not done a good job of going through his progressions and is much more concerned with not getting hit.

Agree with this, which is why I referred early to him getting David Carr'd, at this point he is probably ruined.
Agree 100%. Pickett is showing no fire out there on the field. He did last year.

Whatever fire Kenny had looks to have been put out.

Unfortunately, even Kenny right now is better than the alternatives.
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