Darnell Washington = a poor man's Matt Spaeth?

[SteelerDayTrader]

Like I said earlier……

Just name the offensive player I should’ve taken that isn’t a QB, that has huge upside, that I can scheme in multiple run or pass looks with a big edge, that’s a red zone mismatch, and has outlier numbers


You got the ENTIRE DRAFT IN HINDSIGHT in front of you 95 you dishonest dumbfuck go ahead

This should be SOOOOO easy

Just post it…….you or anyone else

Go ahead we are all waiting

Still waiting on this one

I wonder why there are no responses ??

Lolololz

[K_C_]

A couple of points

- A week or so prior B2B and I were conversing about my upcoming Colts draft and I told him I was gonna draft Richardson because he was a decent young QB with huge upside. B2B asked (coyly it turns out lol) if I thought he would be available ? I said on this board ?? Of course he will !! These idiots will draft RBs an linemen lol

I had forgotten about the well known draft board evil that is @Korey39 lol

After that I knew I could get Jaren Hall much later who I liked at QB as a cheap placeholder that I could steer the team in either direction as the future warranted and I began to look at who was left that had HUGE upside, that I could get on field immediately, AND that I could scheme around with a big edge from many different angles on the offense AND I wanted outlier numbers

There was only one player who player fit that


If you think otherwise just go ahead a post who that player is. It should be easy right ?? Since I was SO wrong AND I’m giving you the huge after the fact advantage of hindsight

Just go ahead and post who that player is lol


- Most of the jackasses yelling about this are consistent liars with nothing of substance to offer who I have zero respect for anyway. Lol. I don’t expect that crowd to understand. Lol

Nobody is lying about shit so not sure why you keep saying that nonsense.

DW is NOT a top 5 of the draft talent for any team. Under any circumstances. Period.

I’m fine we took him where we did. However, if he doesn’t start showing he can run NFL routes that’ll even be too high.

Just stop with this “outlier” bullshit.

I haven't said this about a fairly highly drafted Steelers player in a long time, but I wouldn't be very surprised if Darnell Washington doesn't make next year's team.

His get off is ridiculously slow. Takes him forever to get to full speed. He runs routes like a baby giraffe.

Most believed that would be coached out of him at this level.

He's the exact same player that he was at Georgia, but even his strong suit, blocking, is unimpressive at this level. Maybe in the SEC his blocking was special but it isn't (so far) in the NFL.

All of the other Steelers draft choices that have made the team have flashed at some point or another.

All except Darnell Washington.

Hopefully the dude is just a slow learner or simply he had far more developing to do than most expected and down the road, he'll flourish and be the weapon we all hoped he'd become, but I'm damn worried. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Like I said earlier……

Just name the offensive player I should’ve taken that isn’t a QB, that has huge upside, that I can scheme in multiple run or pass looks with a big edge, that’s a red zone mismatch, and has outlier numbers


You got the ENTIRE DRAFT IN HINDSIGHT in front of you 95 you dishonest dumbfuck go ahead

This should be SOOOOO easy

Just post it…….you or anyone else

Go ahead we are all waiting

Still waiting on this one

I wonder why there are no responses ??

Lolololz

[SteelerDayTrader]

Like I said earlier……

Just name the offensive player I should’ve taken that isn’t a QB, that has huge upside, that I can scheme in multiple run or pass looks with a big edge, that’s a red zone mismatch, and has outlier numbers


You got the ENTIRE DRAFT IN HINDSIGHT in front of you 95 you dishonest dumbfuck go ahead

This should be SOOOOO easy

Just post it…….you or anyone else

Go ahead we are all waiting

Still waiting on this one

I wonder why there are no responses ??

Lolololz

[955876]

Like I said earlier……

Just name the offensive player I should’ve taken that isn’t a QB, that has huge upside, that I can scheme in multiple run or pass looks with a big edge, that’s a red zone mismatch, and has outlier numbers


You got the ENTIRE DRAFT IN HINDSIGHT in front of you 95 you dishonest dumbfuck go ahead

This should be SOOOOO easy

Just post it…….you or anyone else

Go ahead we are all waiting

Still waiting on this one

I wonder why there are no responses ??

Lolololz

First- you didn’t get a response because I don’t live in a basement and am up in Tahoe for the weekend.

Yesterday I golfed in morning at my club then drove to a Tahoe. That took all day. I realize you don’t get around much so that is foreign to you.


Second- Does someone as stone footed as Washington have huge upside? You created a scenario with your criteria that only a player (that you envision) fits the bill.

Reality (for a real GM, not a pretend one) would be to take a player worthy of that slot should there not be a player that fit your self created criteria.

Right now he’s looking like he needs to make major strides to get to the level of medicore JAG.

The problem here is that your fantasy of what DW might be vs what he really is doesn’t align.

You think he’s some HOFer in waiting. This guy with supreme “outlier” talent.

But what is that talent if he can’t run?

He’s a project. And I hope he turns out to be good.

But you don’t burn top 5 of the draft on a guy who might not even be able to run an NFL route.

That’s just dumb. And you know that.

You are just backed into a corner and having to defend something dumb you said.

Let’s put it this way, if the Colts GM burned the #4 overall on Washington and he looks the way he does he’d get fired. As he should.

Again, I’m pulling for him and not goi g to hate jist to be right about something.

I said at the time I liked the pick.

But in the third round.

I would have hated it at 14 and even more at 4.

A TE taken that high needs to be a major threat inntje passing game. Wake us all up when DW IS a major threat in the passing game.

And I’m done aeguing about pretend GM bullshit.

DW is not a top 5 of the draft talent. Period.

If you wanna play make believe GM and think somehow he’s the perfect pick for the Colts in your pretend draft go ahead.

I don’t waste time playing those make believe games.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Still waiting on this one

I wonder why there are no responses ??

Lolololz

Does someone as stone footed as Washington have huge upside?

Right now he’s looking like he needs to make major strides to get to the level of medicore JAG

The problem here is that your fantasy of what DW might be vs what he really is doesn’t align.

You think he’s some HOFer in waiting. This guy with supreme “outlier” talent.

But what is that talent if he can’t run?

He’s a project. And I hope he turns out to be good.

But you don’t burn top 5 of the draft on a guy who might not even be able to run an NFL route.

That’s just dumb. And you know that.

You are just backed into a corner and having to defend something dumb you said.

Let’s put it this way, if the Colts GM burned the #4 overall on Washington and he looks the way he does he’d get fired. As he should.

Again, I’m pulling for him and not goi g to hate jist to be right about something.

I said at the time I liked the pick.

But in the third round.

I would have hated it at 14 and even more at 4.

A TE taken that high needs to be a major threat inntje passing game. Wake us all up when DW IS a major threat in the passing game.

4.6 at 270 is not stone footed

Try again

Lolololz

[jebrick]

Does someone as stone footed as Washington have huge upside?

Right now he’s looking like he needs to make major strides to get to the level of medicore JAG

The problem here is that your fantasy of what DW might be vs what he really is doesn’t align.

You think he’s some HOFer in waiting. This guy with supreme “outlier” talent.

But what is that talent if he can’t run?

He’s a project. And I hope he turns out to be good.

But you don’t burn top 5 of the draft on a guy who might not even be able to run an NFL route.

That’s just dumb. And you know that.

You are just backed into a corner and having to defend something dumb you said.

Let’s put it this way, if the Colts GM burned the #4 overall on Washington and he looks the way he does he’d get fired. As he should.

Again, I’m pulling for him and not goi g to hate jist to be right about something.

I said at the time I liked the pick.

But in the third round.

I would have hated it at 14 and even more at 4.

A TE taken that high needs to be a major threat inntje passing game. Wake us all up when DW IS a major threat in the passing game.

4.6 at 270 is not stone footed

Try again

Lolololz

Then he should try out for the USA flag football team because that will also be in shorts.

[955876]

Does someone as stone footed as Washington have huge upside?

Right now he’s looking like he needs to make major strides to get to the level of medicore JAG

The problem here is that your fantasy of what DW might be vs what he really is doesn’t align.

You think he’s some HOFer in waiting. This guy with supreme “outlier” talent.

But what is that talent if he can’t run?

He’s a project. And I hope he turns out to be good.

But you don’t burn top 5 of the draft on a guy who might not even be able to run an NFL route.

That’s just dumb. And you know that.

You are just backed into a corner and having to defend something dumb you said.

Let’s put it this way, if the Colts GM burned the #4 overall on Washington and he looks the way he does he’d get fired. As he should.

Again, I’m pulling for him and not goi g to hate jist to be right about something.

I said at the time I liked the pick.

But in the third round.

I would have hated it at 14 and even more at 4.

A TE taken that high needs to be a major threat inntje passing game. Wake us all up when DW IS a major threat in the passing game.

4.6 at 270 is not stone footed

Try again

Lolololz

And when he starts showing it we can revisit.

Look dipshit, I don’t have some agenda against the kid. I want him to be good.

Buuuuuut, he has shown less than zero to warrant being a top 5 in the draft player.

A TE that high must be a receiving threat. A big time one.

He wasn’t even that at Georgia.

This isn’t about the player. It’s about the fantasy you e created in your head trying to be a pretend GM.

Get a dog.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Like I said earlier……

Just name the offensive player I should’ve taken that isn’t a QB, that has huge upside, that I can scheme in multiple run or pass looks with a big edge, that’s a red zone mismatch, and has outlier numbers


You got the ENTIRE DRAFT IN HINDSIGHT in front of you 95 you dishonest dumbfuck go ahead

This should be SOOOOO easy

Just post it…….you or anyone else

Go ahead we are all waiting

Still waiting on this one

I wonder why there are no responses ??

Lolololz

Sooooooo…….lolololz


After much bitching and moaning and even more obfuscating it’s MORE THAN OBVIOUS that there wasn’t a single player in the draft who presented the all the high points DW did

Particularly in regards to setting the Colts up with the amazing draft that I did

No need for applause. I do awesome on the regular. It’s just what I do




Gorilla out

[Korey39]

Does someone as stone footed as Washington have huge upside?

Right now he’s looking like he needs to make major strides to get to the level of medicore JAG

The problem here is that your fantasy of what DW might be vs what he really is doesn’t align.

You think he’s some HOFer in waiting. This guy with supreme “outlier” talent.

But what is that talent if he can’t run?

He’s a project. And I hope he turns out to be good.

But you don’t burn top 5 of the draft on a guy who might not even be able to run an NFL route.

That’s just dumb. And you know that.

You are just backed into a corner and having to defend something dumb you said.

Let’s put it this way, if the Colts GM burned the #4 overall on Washington and he looks the way he does he’d get fired. As he should.

Again, I’m pulling for him and not goi g to hate jist to be right about something.

I said at the time I liked the pick.

But in the third round.

I would have hated it at 14 and even more at 4.

A TE taken that high needs to be a major threat inntje passing game. Wake us all up when DW IS a major threat in the passing game.

4.6 at 270 is not stone footed

Try again

Lolololz

Then he should try out for the USA flag football team because that will also be in shorts.

Theres an argument that Darnell has been the most underutilized player on the Steelers. His pros in the receiving game were straight line vertical routes, 50/50 balls, and his RAC ability on leak outs to the flats. They have thrown 1 ball to him that fits that criteria and it went for 10 yards and a first down. He's been an excellent blocker so far but to criticize him for lack of production in the receiving game isn't fair since he's not being given opportunity.

[955876]

I saw hun trying to run a route a couple games ago. Looked very clumsy trying to do so.

Have tried to focus on him more but each time I do he doesn’t go anywhere.

[jebrick]

Theres an argument that Darnell has been the most underutilized player on the Steelers. His pros in the receiving game were straight line vertical routes, 50/50 balls, and his RAC ability on leak outs to the flats. They have thrown 1 ball to him that fits that criteria and it went for 10 yards and a first down. He's been an excellent blocker so far but to criticize him for lack of production in the receiving game isn't fair since he's not being given opportunity.

There is also an argument that the film was correct and the combine results was an illusion. He is a 3rd round pick so I will wait until next year to judge.

[Orangesteel]

Besides Pickens’ circus catches, do ANY skill position players look good in this offense?

The answer is hell no.

Washington is undoubtedly a mismatch. Other teams would have gotten him the ball and he’d probably have 2-3 TDs already.

How did Freiermuth look in this offense so far? Right…

This is like the Bermuda Triangle of NFL offenses. If I was here I’d want out immediately.

[Korey39]

Theres an argument that Darnell has been the most underutilized player on the Steelers. His pros in the receiving game were straight line vertical routes, 50/50 balls, and his RAC ability on leak outs to the flats. They have thrown 1 ball to him that fits that criteria and it went for 10 yards and a first down. He's been an excellent blocker so far but to criticize him for lack of production in the receiving game isn't fair since he's not being given opportunity.

There is also an argument that the film was correct and the combine results was an illusion. He is a 3rd round pick so I will wait until next year to judge.

Its fair to wait and judge but you'd be referencing the #s. The film said he was a vertical/jumpball/YAC threat, the numbers suggested he wasn't a receiving threat. Only time will tell.

[franco32]

It's one thing for the OC not to get Washington involved in the passing game. But, Washington has pretty much been relegated to 4th string behind a grocery bagger. This doesn't reflect well on the kid. His routes look terrible for sure, but he may be struggling with focus or the playbook as well.

Not looking like a top 5 pick right now...

[Jizz Mop]

It's one thing for the OC not to get Washington involved in the passing game. But, Washington has pretty much been relegated to 4th string behind a grocery bagger. This doesn't reflect well on the kid. His routes look terrible for sure, but he may be struggling with focus or the playbook as well.

Not looking like a top 5 pick right now...

Outliers take longer to develop

[bradshaw2ben]

Theres an argument that Darnell has been the most underutilized player on the Steelers. His pros in the receiving game were straight line vertical routes, 50/50 balls, and his RAC ability on leak outs to the flats. They have thrown 1 ball to him that fits that criteria and it went for 10 yards and a first down. He's been an excellent blocker so far but to criticize him for lack of production in the receiving game isn't fair since he's not being given opportunity.

There is also an argument that the film was correct and the combine results was an illusion. He is a 3rd round pick so I will wait until next year to judge.

Its fair to wait and judge but you'd be referencing the #s. The film said he was a vertical/jumpball/YAC threat, the numbers suggested he wasn't a receiving threat. Only time will tell.

PLayer #1
6062 268
4.91 40 1.78 10yd
34.5 VJ 9'08" BJ
4.59 SS 7.41 3-cone
6 yds per tgt...110 catches for 969 and 9 TD in 54 games (27 starts)

Washington
6065 272
4.64 40 1.61 10yd
31 VJ 10'02" BJ
4.08 SS DNP 3-cone

The guy on top was a damn good red zone target, albeit had a short career because of injury. There's nothing in Washington's athletic profile to indicate he'd be worse per game than the guy whose numbers are listed first (Larry Donnell) This to me is like the worst-case receiving numbers per game DW should have in a decent offense.

[955876]

It's one thing for the OC not to get Washington involved in the passing game. But, Washington has pretty much been relegated to 4th string behind a grocery bagger. This doesn't reflect well on the kid. His routes look terrible for sure, but he may be struggling with focus or the playbook as well.

Not looking like a top 5 pick right now...

Not looking like a first 5 rounds pick right now.