According to Kaboly, Dan Moore is winning the LT job

[K_C_]

At least for now and that shouldn’t really be a surprise.

Experience matters and right now it sounds like Broderick Jones doesn’t know whether to shit or wind his watch.

https://fansided.com/2023/08/07/steeler ... tid=Zxz2cZ

[daikyu]

If Moore has stepped up his game enough to win the job good for him and the team. Let Jones get some seasoning first before facing the crucible.

At least for now and that shouldn’t really be a surprise.

Experience matters and right now it sounds like Broderick Jones doesn’t know whether to shit or wind his watch.

https://fansided.com/2023/08/07/steeler ... tid=Zxz2cZ

[fractalsteel]

I have seen other articles praising Jones in camp.

As stated in the linked article we won't really know until we see him live in full action.

No problem with Moore winning the job. Jones will be a starter as one of the tackles soon enough and Chuks is only signed through 2024 I believe.

[Pabst]

Every scouting report heading into the draft said that Jones was inexperienced and had sloppy technique. He was drafted on his athletic ability and potential.

The fact that he hasn't earned the starting LT spot less than 2 weeks into his first training camp isn't exactly earth shattering.

[bradshaw2ben]

I'm much more concerned with Chuks, considering Bosa & Crosby mostly line up on his side.

[Ice]

I have seen other articles praising Jones in camp.

As stated in the linked article we won't really know until we see him live in full action.

No problem with Moore winning the job. Jones will be a starter as one of the tackles soon enough and Chuks is only signed through 2024 I believe.

Yeah, I've definitely seen articles saying the job could very well be the starter by Week One, and honestly it doesn't matter as long as the best 5 start. Jones is young and super athletic. He's the future, and I'd sure hope that last year's starter has the edge 2 weeks in regardless.

Excited for preseason games.

[bradshaw2ben]

Hard to get too excited for the Tamps Bay matchup... they seem like a contender for a top 5 pick. Preseason 2, playing starters vs the Bills... much more intriguing.

[jebrick]

I expect Moore to start the season at LT and get removed within 6 games. The draft report on Jones says very athletic but needs work on technique. I am guessing Jones is getting that work now. He could win in college on just athleticism, no so in the NFL.

[Ice]

I suppose I meant in the aggregate sense on the preseason, but nothing like facing a Quitting for Caleb contender for some cheap thrills and ratcheting up expectations.

Based on Baker's camp performance so far, the Bucs might be easier to beat in a regular season game than a preseason one right now, though.

[stillthere]

I have seen other articles praising Jones in camp.

As stated in the linked article we won't really know until we see him live in full action.

No problem with Moore winning the job. Jones will be a starter as one of the tackles soon enough and Chuks is only signed through 2024 I believe.

This year is the battle between Chuks and Moore to see who will be the RT of the future. One of those 2 will get extended after this season. I think they are only a few months different in age, one player just has more experience in the league than the other. Trading or cutting Chuks after this season saves about 8 million in cap space if they want it or need it in 2024.

[stillthere]

I have heard a report or 2 that Jones is still leading with his head instead of resetting his feet. I think it would make sense to start Jones out as the 3rd T and extra TE (#77 is reporting as eligible).

Maybe he is a lights on gamer though. If he dominates in preseason maybe he should get the nod week 1 It all gets more real this week. Like it was stated above allow the best 5 to line up as the starters and roll from there. Pretty much no chance that our line stays as healthy this season as it was last season.

[955876]

Every scouting report heading into the draft said that Jones was inexperienced and had sloppy technique. He was drafted on his athletic ability and potential.

The fact that he hasn't earned the starting LT spot less than 2 weeks into his first training camp isn't exactly earth shattering.

Ya this.

I don’t see a reason to just throw him in either. The starter from last year is still on the roster and while he can certainly be upgraded, a green ass rookie thrown to the wolves against some of the leagues best pass rushers the first few weeks of the season really might not be an upgrade.

Especially if Moore is bigger and stronger.

I think that ultimately Moore becomes the RT.

Have never been sold on Chuks.

Get Jones in there when he’s ready. If we had a gaping void at OT due to injury or departed FA it would be a different story.

He will get in there soon enough.

Now if during the games he shows he is clearly a huge upgrade to Moore right this moment then start him.

[tbsteel]

I think that ultimately Moore becomes the RT.

Seems like that's what the Steelers are thinking as well. When they've brought Jones in at first team LT they've been moving Moore over to RT quite a bit so far.

[K_C_]

Every scouting report heading into the draft said that Jones was inexperienced and had sloppy technique. He was drafted on his athletic ability and potential.

The fact that he hasn't earned the starting LT spot less than 2 weeks into his first training camp isn't exactly earth shattering.

Oh, I 100% agree that Broderick Jones is the future (emphasis on "future") at LT for the Steelers.

....but I'm not sold at all that Jones is the starter at LT at any point in 2023, barring injury. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jones watches and learns in a similar fashion to what Kenny was supposed to do last year. Kenny was forced into action ahead of schedule because of terrible play by Mitch Trubisky.

This is what could happen with Jones and Dan Moore but I think Moore keeps the job at LT and ultimately moves to RT next season....and I'm fine with that. As awful as Moore has been at times, he is a fighter and I'm very concerned about a rookie protecting Pickett's blind side.

[yygy]

I watched a few Pickett camp highlights and counted at least 2 sacks given up by Moore. No contact of course but highsmith gets around the edge and has time to fix his shoelaces check his TikTok. Talking a good 3 seconds.

In the words of Dee Snyder

If that’s your best, your best won’t do

This is one of those Mike Tomlin shaper of young men’s characters inside the outside lines and such

[LakecrestSteeler]

Dilly dallying with Pickett cost us the playoffs last year. Anyone with eyes could clearly see he was the best QB in camp and especially the last weeks of camp.

Tell Jones to strap on the hard hat and get to work. Start doing one on one and start him week one…he is the future and he will succeed. We know Moore will revert to jag, but will be a great for depth lineman. If they fucked up that badly with their evaluation of Jones then shame on scouts.

If Al Villanueva converted and started at NFL LT, someone playing LT at Georgia can be ready by week one. You don’t win Superbowls easing in your round one draft picks. You win rings by getting all your talent to gel about the same time with some luck and a string of wins.

[K_C_]

Dilly dallying with Pickett cost us the playoffs last year. Anyone with eyes could clearly see he was the best QB in camp and especially the last weeks of camp.

Tell Jones to strap on the hard hat and get to work. Start doing one on one and start him week one…he is the future and he will succeed. We know Moore will revert to jag, but will be a great for depth lineman. If they fucked up that badly with their evaluation of Jones then shame on scouts.

If Al Villanueva converted and started at NFL LT, someone playing LT at Georgia can be ready by week one. You don’t win Superbowls easing in your round one draft picks. You win rings by getting all your talent to gel about the same time with some luck and a string of wins.

Fair points overall I have to agree with. Pickett should have been the starter last year from week one and while I'm worried about Jones being thrown to the wolves and how he might respond to that, it's not like Dan Moore will be some major upgrade.

If Tomlin does end up starting Jones week one I think they'll want to take a look at Moore on the right side to give Chuks some competition, which is never a bad thing.

All that said, Tomlin values experience too much (Trubisky starting last season is all anybody needs to know) so I think we'll see Moore to start the year.

[Charles Demarr]

I'm much more concerned with Chuks, considering Bosa & Crosby mostly line up on his side.

Yeah, so will Mt. Washington.

[jeemie]

I'm much more concerned with Chuks, considering Bosa & Crosby mostly line up on his side.

So see if Jones can go there to start his career.

Would be the first LT to start his NFL life that way.

[bradshaw2ben]

I'm much more concerned with Chuks, considering Bosa & Crosby mostly line up on his side.

Yeah, so will Mt. Washington.

I hope they are smart enough to give him significant snaps early but I'm not at all sure they will.

[stillthere]

I'm much more concerned with Chuks, considering Bosa & Crosby mostly line up on his side.

Yeah, so will Mt. Washington.

I hope they are smart enough to give him significant snaps early but I'm not at all sure they will.

I hope he takes the decision away from them by just dominating.

[fractalsteel]

I'm much more concerned with Chuks, considering Bosa & Crosby mostly line up on his side.

So see if Jones can go there to start his career.

Would be the first LT to start his NFL life that way.

Leon Searcy went that route his rookie year with the Steelers. Ended up being an All Pro LT then left for greener pastures on his C2.

[alancac98]

Dilly dallying with Pickett cost us the playoffs last year. Anyone with eyes could clearly see he was the best QB in camp and especially the last weeks of camp.

Tell Jones to strap on the hard hat and get to work. Start doing one on one and start him week one…he is the future and he will succeed. We know Moore will revert to jag, but will be a great for depth lineman. If they fucked up that badly with their evaluation of Jones then shame on scouts.

If Al Villanueva converted and started at NFL LT, someone playing LT at Georgia can be ready by week one. You don’t win Superbowls easing in your round one draft picks. You win rings by getting all your talent to gel about the same time with some luck and a string of wins.

Fair points overall I have to agree with. Pickett should have been the starter last year from week one and while I'm worried about Jones being thrown to the wolves and how he might respond to that, it's not like Dan Moore will be some major upgrade.

If Tomlin does end up starting Jones week one I think they'll want to take a look at Moore on the right side to give Chuks some competition, which is never a bad thing.

All that said, Tomlin values experience too much (Trubisky starting last season is all anybody needs to know) so I think we'll see Moore to start the year.

Moore was a 4th round pick if I recall correctly and started day 1. Why can't a number 1 pick, who we moved up to get, start day 1? Hell, look at the line they put in front of Ben!

[jeemie]

I'm much more concerned with Chuks, considering Bosa & Crosby mostly line up on his side.

So see if Jones can go there to start his career.

Would be the first LT to start his NFL life that way.

Leon Searcy went that route his rookie year with the Steelers. Ended up being an All Pro LT then left for greener pastures on his C2.

I meant to type "wouldn't".

[fractalsteel]

So see if Jones can go there to start his career.

Would be the first LT to start his NFL life that way.

Leon Searcy went that route his rookie year with the Steelers. Ended up being an All Pro LT then left for greener pastures on his C2.

I meant to type "wouldn't".

I know

The former regime had a plan for their prized rookie Tackle. Not so sure this time.

[955876]

The former regime had a plan for their prized rookie Tackle. Not so sure this time.

This regime (Jibbs) is likely MUCH more concerned with how to squeeze Gunner whatever his last name is on the roster for another year.

How can you not include a cat with such a cool name like “Gunner”??

Jibbs is most certainly workin over time on this one.

[Scunge]

I have seen other articles praising Jones in camp.

As stated in the linked article we won't really know until we see him live in full action.

No problem with Moore winning the job. Jones will be a starter as one of the tackles soon enough and Chuks is only signed through 2024 I believe.

This year is the battle between Chuks and Moore to see who will be the RT of the future. One of those 2 will get extended after this season. I think they are only a few months different in age, one player just has more experience in the league than the other. Trading or cutting Chuks after this season saves about 8 million in cap space if they want it or need it in 2024.

The timing of Chuks contract expiring in 2024, and Moore playing out his last year of his rookie contract in 2024, really is an intriguing storyline to follow.

Chuks is due a roster bonus on the 5th day of the new league year in March of 2024. $4 million roster bonus. So, if they did have a competition between him and Moore for the RT job, and Moore won it, cutting Chuks before the season starts only nets you a savings of $4.75 million at that point.

Ideally, if I were to put on my Omar Khan hat, I would pick up his roster bonus in March, pay the $4 million, then trade him to some team looking for a starting tackle and pick up a nice draft pick. Then I would try and extend Dan Moore to a new contract extension and draft a new Tackle in the draft, say another 3rd round prospect.

I think Chuks is fine as a finesse RT, a better pass protector than run blocker. Moore would be a far more nasty RT, a much better run blocker. A team should find Chuks very desirable as a one year rental at only $4.75 million, they would have to pick up his base salary for 2024 and nothing more.

[jebrick]

Moore was a 4th round pick if I recall correctly and started day 1. Why can't a number 1 pick, who we moved up to get, start day 1? Hell, look at the line they put in front of Ben!

Moore had much more starting experience in College than Jones did. Moore also had better technique coming out.

IIRC, the Steelers were in a bind at the OT at the time.

[RemoAZ]

My feeling is if you want to be a contender by playoff time, you let the rookie play day one and plan some TE help until he settles in. You know what Moore looks like at LT and it's not good enough. Take this season to see if he's legit battling it out at RT. If not, he's your backup at both spots and you go into the draft with RT high on your list

[DP39]

My feeling is if you want to be a contender by playoff time, you let the rookie play day one and plan some TE help until he settles in. You know what Moore looks like at LT and it's not good enough. Take this season to see if he's legit battling it out at RT. If not, he's your backup at both spots and you go into the draft with RT high on your list

I mostly agree. Start Jones at LT and have his UGA TE sidekick, Washington, line up next to him early and often (they're very used to and good at it from college) Have Washington CHIP the F out of (knock the snot out of) those top Edge guys Jones will be facing in the first 3-4 games. He can help wear them down early and Jones should have an easier go of it as the games go on.

Have Moore as your swing, but let him and Chuks fight it out all year to determine who your starting RT and swing will be before next offseason gets here. If Moore shows he's more than capable at RT, then cut Chuks before he gets a roster bonus next March and save $8M+ of cap space. If Moore doesn't win out the RT starters spot, keep Chuks for '24 (the last year of his contract) and have Moore be your swing.