John Harbaugh and Sean Payton to both be fired?

[tbsteel]

John Harbaugh just got his ass kicked at home in the playoffs as a double digit favorite. 1 playoff win in the last 7 seasons.

Sean Payton has a 8-7 career playoff record, just lost at home to Kirk Cousins, and hasn't been to the SB in over a decade with a first-ballot HOF QB.

With Tomlin sure to be fired shortly according to the objective and rational posters at SteelerFury, I'm assuming Harbaugh and Payton will be quick to follow with pink slips? I figure we'll be looking at 25+ head coaches being fired this offseason. Gonna be wild.

[steelmann58]

HOW WAS THE NUMBER ! SEED BALTIMORE

[franco32]

I'd take either coach in a millisecond over Jibbs.

One coach has to face playoff football with Lamar "struggle with the forward pass" Jackson.

The other coach had an offensive line that got Brees almost killed.

I have no doubt either would have done much more than Jibbs the last decade here.

[SteelPowerful]

Harbaugh doesn't even get to the playoffs without Jackson you fucking moron.

[Smashmouth21]

Hahaha. This is a great post. Tomlin haters mind blown.

[955876]

Harbaugh lost a playoff game and the Jibbs homers somehow think it makes their boy look better.

Let’s not forget who just kicked our asses with like 8 starters all on the bench.

Literally just lined up and ran it down our throats with their back-ups.

Jibbs would have lost to either of those teams tonight.

Would not have beaten NE on the road last week and as is becoming the “standard” is home on his couch watching the playoffs rather than participating.

Again.

[SteelPowerful]

Jibbs?

What is the origin of this name?

Kicked our asses? With that piece of shit at QB for us?


This haters expect miracles out of dog shit.

8-8 was stupedenously good with that piece of shit at QB.

Give a Duck a pass and shit on Tomlin?

[955876]

And last year he missed the playoffs with a healthy Ben after jumping out to a 7-2 start. Couldn’t beat a Raiders team that already was done for the year.

So what was his excuse then?

Didn’t know how to call a time out?

Jibba Jabba was a toy from back in the day. Spewed nonsense when you shook its head.

Jibba Jabba is also in the urban dictionary to mean something along the lines of jabbering bullshit.

I was the one that applied it to Tomlin and find both definitions are fitting.

Has just morphed into Jibbs for short.

And why bring politics into it?

[SteelPowerful]

Do you blame Ben for any of this?


Of course you don't.


Because you are flat out biased.

Complete joke.

[SteelPowerful]

Very interesting that Jibba-Jabba could be found in the "urban dictionary."

[SteelPowerful]

Politics?


You are stupid aren't you?

[zeke5123]

Do you blame Ben for any of this?


Of course you don't.


Because you are flat out biased.

Complete joke.

Yeah. Fuck that dude for getting injured.

Can we ban the political troll?

[LakecrestSteeler]

John Harbaugh just got his ass kicked at home in the playoffs as a double digit favorite. 1 playoff win in the last 7 seasons.

Sean Payton has a 8-7 career playoff record, just lost at home to Kirk Cousins, and hasn't been to the SB in over a decade with a first-ballot HOF QB.

With Tomlin sure to be fired shortly according to the objective and rational posters at SteelerFury, I'm assuming Harbaugh and Payton will be quick to follow with pink slips? I figure we'll be looking at 25+ head coaches being fired this offseason. Gonna be wild.

Nobody on this board can argue that this is not a legitimate question to ask.

There are some Harbaugh lovers on this board. Looks like he is a poser just like Tomlin.

Or the alternate view is it is tough being a HC in the NFL.

Belichick, a big grey area, then the rest of the coaches. Tomlin is near the top of the rest of the coaches...it is a revolving top spot.

[Professor Half Wit]

These jokers who think Harbaugh is obviously better than Tomlin need badly to re-examine their interpretive tools and standards.

Quality post TB!

[R_S]

Political posts should warrant immediate suspension.

I believe Tomlin earned his paycheck this year. Once he secured his non-losing record things fell apart.

[K_C_]

How’d Dumblin do in the playoffs this season?

[Jizz Mop]

Uh oh....Political posts....someone has got one way tickets for Who is Bahn Island

[the-other-burg]

Yes. I think they should both be fired... Because then they'll be on the market and we can hire them as our new coach.

[franco32]

I'd like the Tomlin defenders to watch how poorly prepared our Oline and RBs were for the various LB and safety blitzes sent our way against the Bills, Jets, and Ravens as we ended the year 0-3. Sure, the QB play sucked, but the protections were atrocious and he never fixed it. Another damning indictment on a guy that can certainly motivate his team, keep it together, and coach a defense with an insane number of #1 picks....but whose teams are still sloppy as fck on the basics of the game.

[fractalsteel]

Political posts should warrant immediate suspension.

I believe Tomlin earned his paycheck this year. Once he secured his non-losing record things fell apart.

Agree with both.

And the poster who has posted political rants in this thread has a history of doing it before.

Question for the board. If Ben comes back next year and is good and the Steelers still miss the playoffs do you folks think Tomlin should be on the hot seat?
I do

[Jizz Mop]

He’s Coach of The Year right?

[pickarooney]

[/quote]
Nobody on this board can argue that this is not a legitimate question to ask.

There are some Harbaugh lovers on this board. Looks like he is a poser just like Tomlin.

Or the alternate view is it is tough being a HC in the NFL.

Belichick, a big grey area, then the rest of the coaches. Tomlin is near the top of the rest of the coaches...it is a revolving top spot.
[/quote]

This. It the systematic, elaborate, and ongoing cheating machine's "genius," then everyone else. Vrabel, who barely made the playoffs, will be humbled soon enough.

[tunch]

It's like it's possible to think Harbaugh is good and Lamar is trash.

The biggest thing I'd fault Harbaugh for is going all-in on Lamar but the man did win a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco.

I'd have an insufferable ego if I had won a regular season game with Joe Flacco.

[Pabst]

I'd like the Tomlin defenders to watch how poorly prepared our Oline and RBs were for the various LB and safety blitzes sent our way against the Bills, Jets, and Ravens as we ended the year 0-3. Sure, the QB play sucked, but the protections were atrocious and he never fixed it. Another damning indictment on a guy that can certainly motivate his team, keep it together, and coach a defense with an insane number of #1 picks....but whose teams are still sloppy as fck on the basics of the game.

Who are these "Tomlin defenders" that keep getting brought up? I suppose I qualify in some posters minds', so I'll respond....

No one is saying that Tomlin doesn't have his warts as a coach. What we're saying is that Sean Payton and John Harbaugh are also flawed, and many of the same criticisms leveled at Tomlin (lack of playoff success with a franchise QB, showing up unprepared against an inferior opponent) apply equally to these coaches. I've been saying this for years: If you put any NFL head coach (other that BB) under the same microscope, you'll find just as many warts as Tomlin.

If you want to complain about the number of #1 picks spent on defense, then fine. The other side of that coin is the number of UDFA and mid to late round picks contributing on offense. Does Tomlin get credit for that?

I also remember posters clamoring for coaches like Mike McCarthy, Chip Kelly, and Sean McVay. Wonder why they don't get brought up anymore....

[Pabst]

It's like it's possible to think Harbaugh is good and Lamar is trash.

The biggest thing I'd fault Harbaugh for is going all-in on Lamar but the man did win a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco.

I'd have an insufferable ego if I had won a regular season game with Joe Flacco.

True. But he also won it with Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, and Haloti Ngata. All HOF players that arrived before Harbaugh got there.

[jewelsongs]

I'd like the Tomlin defenders to watch how poorly prepared our Oline and RBs were for the various LB and safety blitzes sent our way against the Bills, Jets, and Ravens as we ended the year 0-3. Sure, the QB play sucked, but the protections were atrocious and he never fixed it. Another damning indictment on a guy that can certainly motivate his team, keep it together, and coach a defense with an insane number of #1 picks....but whose teams are still sloppy as fck on the basics of the game.

Tunch and Wolf, both of who know more about offensive line play than most on this site, said that it became apparent that Duck had difficulty with the line protection calls, and that teams in the last three games took maximum advantage of that. In order to try to generate offense, we took Banner off the field, from 35% in the prior three games to 20% in the final three games. Going away from max protect allowed the other teams to stack the box and blitz. Duck couldn't handle it. When Rudolph came in, he did a much better job, but got hurt. We were all happy when the Steelers cut Landry Jones to retain people we thought had more upside. I think the season was a perfect storm because of the injuries and youth.

[Steelafan77]

Was just a matter of time before Jackson/rat offense was figured out. Of course it took an ex-patriot as head coach and a strong running game to limit the Jackson/rat offense by limiting their playbook success and by keeping them on the sidelines.

Harbaugh is a good coach. I don't like the guy cause he's not a Steelers coach and because he figures out how to beat my Steelers. That said, he also figured out how to beat the cheats in Brady's prime. Something Tomlin never did.

Would I fire Harbaugh? Of course not. You'd be an absolute dumbass to fire him. He'd have a new HC career somewhere else before the ink dried on the pink slip. For me the true test comes next season. The NFL has so much parity that I believe it does come down to coaching/execution... we'll see how well harbaugh does and whether he deserves to be fired in 2021.

Payton has had a HOF QB for a long time. Much like Tomlin, and much like Tomlin I consider him in the same life raft as Tomlin. The boat has slowly sank already. The NFL is about what have you done for me lately and not what you've done before...in addition to the talent parity and scripted rule book it makes for a challenging career as a head coach.

The reason why I think it makes no sense to fire a head coach after one season. Looking at you stains. Dumb. Very dumb emotional reactive response for a franchise. Anyway, would I fire Payton? Would I fire Tomlin? NO! I believe neither do the respective owners of the Steelers and Saints.

That said, speaking for the Steelers cause I know next to nothing about the Saints innerworkings like I believe I do with the Steelers. Tomlin needs help in his position coaching ranks. I think The Hire of Austin has paid dividends. I liked the Dunbar hire and believe Sarrett needs another shot. Filling the shoes of a positional coach that's in the HOF isn't that easy.

The Steelers IMHO need a designated QB coach. Or a new OC after Fichtner is returned to his natural coaching position. Whichever they decide to do. Something has to get done there. The steelers need to trim the fat and introduce new coaching minds into their building. Mitchell needs to go. Sherman needs to go. Smith needs to go. In addition to hiring either a QB coach or an OC there is some work needs to be done in the off season just in the coaching ranks. At least 4 new coaching hires, Please! JMO

[swissvale72]

I've been a Tomlin critic for a long time...wanted him gone about five years ago. And yes, now that he's been mentioned, I would take Mike McCarthy over Tomlin in a heartbeat.

I don't think the question is how Tomlin compares to Harbaugh, Payton, though both are better and not even close, and not about their losing playoff games, one with a HOF QB, one with a running back as QB.

To me...my major issue with Tomlin is that he's a Gameday Dumbfuck. On the order of..."If we know this shit, why the FUCK doesn't he??" '95 continues, with good reason, to reference last year's Oakland game. That's inex-fuckin'-splicable dumbfuckery right there!!

And this year, lot of all about the QB play, protections, etc. But...Steelers win that Buffalo game and they're in the playoffs...and in that game, we have the Bills 3rd & 18, 3rd & 9....previous week Ravens blitz the shit outta Josh Allen, who has accuracy issues, next week Patriots do same, both with enormous success. What do Steelers do? Sit back in the mother-fuckin' zone, allow this guy to sustain drives, throw TD passes...both situations result in touchdowns for the Bills....3rd & 18, 4th & 6, 3rd &9, Bills convert that into 14 of their 17 points that game.

It's the gameday dumbfuckedness that's my biggest problem with Tomlin....always has been.

[Steelafan77]

A coaching change with some personnel changes and Wa-La!

Passer rating allowed against players in #Steelers secondary in 2019:

Minkah Fitzpatrick: 43.1
Cameron Sutton: 52.1
Joe Haden: 60.9
Steven Nelson: 66.6
Mike Hilton: 84.8
Terrell Edmunds: 139.1

https://twitter.com/TommyJaggi/status/1 ... ry-2019%2F

Perhaps with some more tweaking Edmunds gets his shit straight? Not sure how much better this secondary can get.

Just for discussion purposes look at how Sutton has played. Do you believe that the Steelers should overpay for Hilton?

Someone in the link posted suggests... "Cut Barron, move Edmund's to barrons spot in the nickel, and either resign Sean Davis for SS or draft a new one"

I like this idea a lot.

[K_C_]

WAIT! EDMUNDS IS IMPROVING!

EDMUNDS IS IMPROVING!