I dont think this team is that bad......

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I dont think this team is that bad......

Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:37 am

I would move Pouncey to LG and draft Cesar Ruiz at Center.

Draft some electricity at WR

Re-sign DuPree and Hargrave


I think just those 3 moves and a little luck avoiding key injuries and we are back in business

I think its important not to overreact this year by trying to address every slight issue.

I do want 2 WRs drafted who can make plays. And a legit rookie Center that can start


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Post by El Kabong » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:39 am

Competent QB play would go a long way to fixing what ails us.
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Post by SteelPowerful » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:40 am

8-8 with poor QB play is not bad at all.

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Post by Jobu » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:51 am

El Kabong wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:39 am
Competent QB play would go a long way to fixing what ails us.
They had competent QB play in 2018...won one more game than this season, with the same ultimate result...no post season.
This team needs a head coach change if for no other reason than they need a change.

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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:52 am

Jobu wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:51 am
El Kabong wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:39 am
Competent QB play would go a long way to fixing what ails us.
They had competent QB play in 2018...won one more game than this season, with the same ultimate result...no post season.
This team needs a head coach change if for no other reason than they need a change.
Exactly. The message is as stale as a crouton.

But nothing will change. Ownership is clueless and they get too wrapped up in their own bullshit.
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Post by cyberlaz » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:55 am

I think a consistent running game would go a long way to fixing what ails this offense. Teams can win with a solid running game and average QB play but you need excellent QB play to win without a running game.

If Ben is back next year, I think the offense still struggles somewhat without a solid running game. I don't think Conner is the guy anymore. He is just too injury prone. Samuels and Snell have shown some talent but they are not consistent enough. Although Snell is a rookie and I thought he played well towards the end of the season.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers FO goes after a FA running back in the offseason. Finding another castaway like they found Bettis years ago would be awesome but unlikely.

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Post by SteelPowerful » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:56 am

If you are not in the locker room, there is no way for you to know if the message is stale.

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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:57 am

SteelPowerful wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:56 am
If you are not in the locker room, there is no way for you to know if the message is stale.
Nor is there a way for you to know it’s not.

3 playoff wins in 10 years.

Ya, message is crisp, fresh and it looks like it get the people going.
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Post by SteelPowerful » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:59 am

The QB is also part if that. Ben is also the reason for that. He has incredible physical talent, but as a leader, he is severely lacking.

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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:01 am

I think this is a very good team once their engine and wheels are back.
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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:02 am

SteelPowerful wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:59 am
The QB is also part if that. Ben is also the reason for that. He has incredible physical talent, but as a leader, he is severely lacking.
I think I agree with that, but you have to admit that Tomlin’s luster has worn immensely.

Did that look like a team out there that was playing like they had a shot at the playoffs if they took care of business?

I saw the Ravens 2nd and 3rd stringers take it to the Steelers, and the Steelers getting bossed around. That is not a good sign in a “must win” game.
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Post by Kodiak » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:10 am

El Kabong wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:39 am
Competent QB play would go a long way to fixing what ails us.
As would competent coaching....
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Post by steelmann58 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:11 am

the ravens ran though our defense at will today.

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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:14 am

I guess what I am saying is, did the Steelers coaches think that game plan we just saw would lead to us winning the game? How about in the Jets game?

Are the Steelers coaches aware that you have to score more points than the other team to win the game? I’m seriously wondering that.
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Post by steelmann58 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:18 am

Randy play calling just was terrible not only down the stretch but most of the season.
They have to find a WR coach and maybe upgrade at OL Coach because SS and Klemm were terrible

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:28 am

You will rarely win when your QB has to throw up hill first, to get it over the linemen and then hope it comes down quickly enough to hit the moving target.

That is why this fuck doesn’t throw over the middle. If he throws a frozen rope it will either get batted down or sail because it was in the upslope too long.

For the OP...agree. Just steady the ship.

New punter. Competition at RB and WR. Draft more TEs.

Superbowl or bust next year.

Might have to draft to counter LaMarr. Might need another Casey Hampton to wreck their running game. We do need to move a chess piece to counter the Ravens. Not winning the SB without winning the North in all likelihood.

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Post by 955876 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:32 am

New punter
:lol: :lol:

That stiff Berry has a job as long as Jibbs does.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:33 am

Overall my gut tells me Berry did pretty well this year.
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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:39 am

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:33 am
Overall my gut tells me Berry did pretty well this year.
I think so too but he could use some coaching in the special circumstances i.e. fake punts, angling the ball out of bounds and when to fall on the ball when things go wrong.
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Post by 955876 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:45 am

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:33 am
Overall my gut tells me Berry did pretty well this year.
Overall he can squeak out mediocre stats.

That’s not his problem. His problem are the shanks and fumbles he likes to display at inopportune times.

Always good for a 22 yarder when you need it least.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:46 am

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:39 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:33 am
Overall my gut tells me Berry did pretty well this year.
I think so too but he could use some coaching in the special circumstances i.e. fake punts, angling the ball out of bounds and when to fall on the ball when things go wrong.
40.9 net average for 26th in the league. They need to get a new punter.

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Post by Steelers4Life » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:46 am

cyberlaz wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:55 am
I think a consistent running game would go a long way to fixing what ails this offense. Teams can win with a solid running game and average QB play but you need excellent QB play to win without a running game.

If Ben is back next year, I think the offense still struggles somewhat without a solid running game. I don't think Conner is the guy anymore. He is just too injury prone. Samuels and Snell have shown some talent but they are not consistent enough. Although Snell is a rookie and I thought he played well towards the end of the season.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers FO goes after a FA running back in the offseason. Finding another castaway like they found Bettis years ago would be awesome but unlikely.
I agree with your point about having a consistent running game. I've always believed that good teams do the following 4 things:

- run the ball well
- stop the run
- protect your QB
- get after the other team's QB

I don't believe we run the ball well. We're just OK at stopping the run and we're just OK at protecting the QB. We do a good job of getting after the other team's QB.

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Post by 955876 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:48 am

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:39 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:33 am
Overall my gut tells me Berry did pretty well this year.
I think so too but he could use some coaching in the special circumstances i.e. fake punts, angling the ball out of bounds and when to fall on the ball when things go wrong.
He’s been on the team for FIVE years.

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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:53 am

955876 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:48 am
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:39 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:33 am
Overall my gut tells me Berry did pretty well this year.
I think so too but he could use some coaching in the special circumstances i.e. fake punts, angling the ball out of bounds and when to fall on the ball when things go wrong.
He’s been on the team for FIVE years.
Length of time on the team doesn't mean he has been coached. Seems like he just goes out there without a strategy at times.
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Post by Jobu » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:56 am

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:53 am
955876 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:48 am
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:39 am


I think so too but he could use some coaching in the special circumstances i.e. fake punts, angling the ball out of bounds and when to fall on the ball when things go wrong.
He’s been on the team for FIVE years.
Length of time on the team doesn't mean he has been coached. Seems like he just goes out there without a strategy at times.
So you are suggesting that a guy that’s been on the team for 5 years hasn’t been coached?
Interesting...

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Post by Steelafan77 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:57 am

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:37 am
I would move Pouncey to LG and draft Cesar Ruiz at Center.

Draft some electricity at WR

Re-sign DuPree and Hargrave


I think just those 3 moves and a little luck avoiding key injuries and we are back in business

I think its important not to overreact this year by trying to address every slight issue.

I do want 2 WRs drafted who can make plays. And a legit rookie Center that can start
Just some speculative opinionated ramblings from a Steelers fan....

Moving on from Pouncey is the best bet. Moving Pouncey to LG does nothing to improve this OLine. Pouncey doesn't have the sand in the trunks to play guard...Pouncey has slowed considerably and is on (IMHO) his last round up in Pittsburgh.

WR isn't the most pressing issue. WR with a decent QB and game plan would be intimidating and dangerous as WR corps stands now...

Re-signing both (Dupree/Hargrave) are a long shot but then so was going 8-8 with Ben out for the season...

TE, Center and Tackle are this offenses biggest issue... Perhaps Rudolph turns into a decent back up QB so I think with that in mind the Steelers keep dabbling in the mid rounds for a competitor with talent to compete for said back up role.

Running back is another head scratcher... Ajay was released and I never heard word about him resurfacing... Perhaps he could bring something to the corps along with that vet resume...

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Post by Texas Black & Gold » Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:02 am

Jobu wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:56 am
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:53 am
955876 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:48 am


He’s been on the team for FIVE years.
Length of time on the team doesn't mean he has been coached. Seems like he just goes out there without a strategy at times.
So you are suggesting that a guy that’s been on the team for 5 years hasn’t been coached?
Interesting...
Well how else can it be explained about his indecisiveness? All imagined scenarios should be coached and practiced weekly.
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Post by Jobu » Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:04 am

I think an accumulation of injuries, including a serious one to his knee, have left Ajayi pretty much washed up.

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Post by Steelafan77 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:05 am

Jobu wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:04 am
I think an accumulation of injuries, including a serious one to his knee, have left Ajayi pretty much washed up.
Gotcha... moving on...

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Post by Jobu » Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:05 am

Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:02 am
Jobu wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:56 am
Texas Black & Gold wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:53 am


Length of time on the team doesn't mean he has been coached. Seems like he just goes out there without a strategy at times.
So you are suggesting that a guy that’s been on the team for 5 years hasn’t been coached?
Interesting...
Well how else can it be explained about his indecisiveness? All imagined scenarios should be coached and practiced weekly.
Absolutely...but again, do you believe that isn’t the case?

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