Duck, Defense & Dumbfuckery

[SteelPowerful]

Did you pay attention to the explanation for the mishap? Have you ever played a down of organized football in your life? If you paid attention to the explanation and you have had the experience of playing, you would understand that players must make decisions themselves on the football field for which they alone must be made accountable. That is why Belichick chooses intelligence over athleticism , if he has to, any day of the week.

[Jizz Mop]

Did you pay attention to the explanation for the mishap? Have you ever played a down of organized football in your life? If you paid attention to the explanation and you have had the experience of playing, you would understand that players must make decisions themselves on the football field for which they alone must be made accountable. That is why Belichick chooses intelligence over athleticism , if he has to, any day of the week.

Ok, for the fake punt to be even considered.....is that better?

Yes, played organized football. Played lots of organized sports. And coached youth sports when my kids were playing. Do I meet the criteria you established necessary to make my bold statement?

[SteelPowerful]

Make sure to add Bill Belichick and Sean Payton to your list. ......yes indeed the fundamental attribution error at work.

[Jizz Mop]

Make sure to add Bill Belichick and Sean Payton to your list. ......yes indeed the fundamental attribution error at work.

Yes indeed, another Tomlin apologist

[SteelPowerful]

Tomlin apologist?




Using such a term to categorize and control others without paying attention to the grounds of the argument is the mark of a eiither a dictator or an idiot. I do not think you are a dictator.

[Jizz Mop]

Tomlin apologist?




Using such a term to categorize and control others without paying attention to the grounds of the argument is the mark of a eiither a dictator or an idiot. I do not think you are a dictator.

Uh oh....resorting to personal attacks are we?

Sign of weakness.

Not a dictator

Not an idiot

Just a fan stating my opinion

[Professor Half Wit]

What is the argument, exactly? Has one even been proposed?

[SteelPowerful]

This site is bitching about a fake punt when the Steelers are 8-5 with hot garbage on offense?

This site thinks Hodges is a serviceable QB based on what little he has put out thus far?


You have to be fucking kidding.

You have morons on this site who would give more credit to Hodges than Tomlin for the 8-5 record.

[Jizz Mop]

What is the argument, exactly? Has one even been proposed?

I believe the argument being presented is that some of the onus has to be placed upon the players...it’s just not the coaches in this specific example of dumbfuckery.

I’m ok with that...but the fake punt to be even considered at that point in the game is insane. And for it to be a designed Berry run?

[SteelPowerful]

Labeling someone an apologist is an attack as well....ad hominem.

Sign of weakness?
This shit is laughable.

Pure entertainment .


I see why the US is in this predicament.

[Professor Half Wit]

This site is bitching about a fake punt when the Steelers are 8-5 with hot garbage on offense?

This site thinks Hodges is a serviceable QB based on what little he has put out thus far?


You have to be fucking kidding.

You have morons on this site who would give more credit to Hodges than Tomlin for the 8-5 record.

I do think some are giving Tomlin a ton of credit and still think the fake was a huge blunder that falls at Tomlin's feet. But, to set aside all these delightful sobriquets, what is the argument?

I began the season totally fed up with Tomlin. Not no more I'm not.

[Professor Half Wit]

What is the argument, exactly? Has one even been proposed?

I believe the argument being presented is that some of the onus has to be placed upon the players...it’s just not the coaches in this specific example of dumbfuckery.

I’m ok with that...but the fake punt to be even considered at that point in the game is insane. And for it to be a designed Berry run?

That's a conclusion. What's the argument that secures it?

[Jizz Mop]

Labeling someone an apologist is an attack as well....ad hominem.

Sign of weakness?
This shit is laughable.

Pure entertainment .


I see why the US is in this predicament.

What predicament is that?

[Professor Half Wit]

Labeling someone an apologist is an attack as well....ad hominem.

Sign of weakness?
This shit is laughable.

Pure entertainment .


I see why the US is in this predicament.

Aren't you calling most everyone on the board a simpleton and an idiot? Would it not be better simply to make your case?

[Jizz Mop]

Labeling someone an apologist is an attack as well....ad hominem.

Sign of weakness?
This shit is laughable.

Pure entertainment .


I see why the US is in this predicament.

Aren't you calling most everyone on the board a simpleton and an idiot? Would it not be better simply to make your case?

Believe he’s calling most everyone a moron.

[Kodiak]

You have morons on this site who would give more credit to Hodges than Tomlin for the 8-5 record.

It only took 8 years and Minkah to build a defense Tomlin can win games with.

I really enjoyed the last several years where Tomlin continued to rely on his defense to win games no matter how often they let him down. Add-in trotting out a gimpy kicker most of last year, because how important is ST really?

[Orangesteel]

This site is bitching about a fake punt when the Steelers are 8-5 with hot garbage on offense?

This site thinks Hodges is a serviceable QB based on what little he has put out thus far?


You have to be fucking kidding.

You have morons on this site who would give more credit to Hodges than Tomlin for the 8-5 record.

Why can’t we praise Tomlin for having this team 8-5, but also criticize that blunder which could have very well cost us the game and a playoff spot? Aren’t you being a little vapid here?

[K_C_]

Speaking of dumbfuckery, Swiss, did you hear about your boy Le'Veon the rapper?



It doesn't get ANY FUCKING DUMBER than this, but being he's always been a total piece of shit.....I wouldn't put anything past this turd.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/282 ... -bad-optic

[swissvale72]

Speaking of dumbfuckery, Swiss, did you hear about your boy Le'Veon the rapper?



It doesn't get ANY FUCKING DUMBER than this, but being he's always been a total piece of shit.....I wouldn't put anything past this turd.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/282 ... -bad-optic

We've often argued LBell's value as a running back, KC (though you, as well as I, were imploring the Steelers to sign his ass pre-2018), but I've never fussed with the contention that the guy's a fuckin' idiot!! LOL.

[SteelPowerful]

Hey Jizz Mop...


Are you still worried about the Cards game?
Give me a fucking break already.

[jewelsongs]

I missed quite a bit since my last post in this thread. I do think being called an apologist for defending Tomlin is like being called a racist for criticizing him. I don't think either point is especially valid. I think I made a valid defense of the situation, but I also think ToddHaleyNineIron made a valid counter. Thank you SteelPowerful, for the defense of my opinion.

I try to avoid all the name calling that happens here, as it doesn't argue anything, just annoys people. It is fine not to agree with my point, this is an opinion site.

[stillthere]

I thought that screen pass was a really, really dumb call. Or maybe just a rookie not making a good read.

But if you're going to risk stopping the clock to put the ball in the air, then call a play that has a shot at getting a first down.

I’m thinking the idea was a quick, high percentage play that if you get the block and/or slip a tackle, you get the first down and possibly TD. Unfortunately, someone got a hand on the ball...

Agree with this but you can take a guarantee of running the clock or burning the other teams T.O.'s by running and kicking the same FG that you ended up kicking anyway.

I definitely see both sides of it.

[stillthere]

I’m thinking the idea was a quick, high percentage play that if you get the block and/or slip a tackle, you get the first down and possibly TD. Unfortunately, someone got a hand on the ball...

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True

But 3 runs ensures 40 less seconds in clock for those fuckers to use to have to drive the field for win

And your one missed tackle from losing.
A TD puts the game on ice...just saying.

Same could be said of a missed tackle on a running play. 1 missed tackle and a strong run and you take a 10 point lead again.

[Jobu]

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True

But 3 runs ensures 40 less seconds in clock for those fuckers to use to have to drive the field for win

And your one missed tackle from losing.
A TD puts the game on ice...just saying.

Same could be said of a missed tackle on a running play. 1 missed tackle and a strong run and you take a 10 point lead again.

True. It’s a crap shoot. I understand running the clock, but I also see why you need to score a TD there. A FG leaves the door open..a TD slams it shut.

[El Kabong]

jewelsongs

The average individual, who is not very intelligent, has a need and or a tendency to attribute blame to individuals for mishaps, errors, etc while discounting situational factors. This tendency is magnified under certain circumstances like Tomlin's. Stop trying to reason with such individuals. It will not work. They will remain idiots, ignore reason, and believe what they want to believe until they die.

The average individual, if he is truly average, would have average intelligence, though, yes?

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
--George Carlin

[jewelsongs]

jewelsongs

The average individual, who is not very intelligent, has a need and or a tendency to attribute blame to individuals for mishaps, errors, etc while discounting situational factors. This tendency is magnified under certain circumstances like Tomlin's. Stop trying to reason with such individuals. It will not work. They will remain idiots, ignore reason, and believe what they want to believe until they die.

The average individual, if he is truly average, would have average intelligence, though, yes?

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
--George Carlin

You need context for a discussion like this. For example, an average person in a room full of idiots is not very smart. I don't think SteelPowerful was talking about everyone on this site. Many persons here show real football knowledge, and I learn a lot here. But a few of the more vocal posters do not seem to understand football at all. Some remind me of the old Stillers.com days.

[955876]

Lemme see if I’m following along here.

Tomlin & Danny Smiff have coached their unit to run a fake punt if they are given a certain look. Obviously they’ve practiced this if the players are simply to execute if given said look.

It’s the excuse being used for the cluster fuck of a play. That it wasn’t called in game but merely the punt unit got the look and they went out and ran it as coached. Supposedly it was called off but Berry didn’t hear.

So this means Smiff and Tomlin while coaching their unit to do this have not also discussed the very important aspect of field position, yards to go, game clock, or score?

Get the look, run the fake.

Got it...

[Ice]

Bottom line is this

Only a complete dumbass calls for a fake punt, on their side of the field, with that down and distance, up 10 points with their defense playing at a high level...in the 4th quarter with 8 minutes left

Tomlin and Danny Smith are a dangerous duo....even more so than their individual levels of stupidity

Together they are some sort of Marvel Idiot super hero

The call was likely based on a formation, or where a certain player or players from the opposing team were lined up pre-snap, and was an automatic call, conceived and practiced during the week due to something seen during film study. It's a part of the game at this point, from high school to college to the pros. Tomlin took the blame, but it's not as if it was a call he made personally in the moment. If you want to rip him for it, you'll have to rip pretty much every football coach in the United States, as well.

[955876]

So if you get that look on your own 10 you run it as well?

What about with 25 seconds left and up by 2 on your own 30? Get the look run the fake?

It’s all based on look with no other variables?

Makes sense given Tomlin doesn’t like to sweat the details.

[stillthere]

Or you can have the upback that called off the fake make sure the kicker knows about it. I have reference before the Pat McAfee vs Troy Polamalu clip and he literally stopped the cadence and announced to the whole field "we are kicking it, we are kicking it" even though they had a fake called ahead of time. He had situational awareness that nobody in Black and Gold is showing.

Clip is below.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f13ahvYl0PE[/youtube]