A nice piece from the trib on Sutton.“That's good for our defense.” https://triblive.com/sports/-topstories ... -secondary
“I've been moving around a little bit, and it's giving me a lot of opportunity,” Sutton said. “I'm trying to expand and keep building on what I learned last year. The more opportunities and reps I get, I can capitalize on them and make plays on the ball. That's what it comes down to.” (same article)
Preaching to the choir coach. Thought this was the plan all along. Now is the "talent" on the roster enough?STOPPING THE RUN IS JOB ONE:
RUN TO THE BALL:
MIX UP THE PASS RUSH:
GET PRESSURE WITH FOUR WHENEVER POSSIBLE:
GET SACKS FROM EVERYWHERE:
WORK IN CONCERT:
NO BIG PLAYS ALLOWED:
TAKE AWAY THE BEST RECEIVER:
SAFETY FIRST:
https://www.steelers.com/news/man-with-a-plan
Steelafan77 wrote:SAFETY FIRST:
STOPPING THE RUN IS JOB ONE
bradshaw2ben wrote:STOPPING THE RUN IS JOB ONE: 18th vs rush.
RUN TO THE BALL:
MIX UP THE PASS RUSH: 4-man rush: 60.9 (20th most-5th most pressures-4th most effective), 5 or more: (22.5% (19-3-10), 3 man rush: 16.6% (4-9-18), DB blitz 14.8% (2-28-13)
GET PRESSURE WITH FOUR WHENEVER POSSIBLE: 4-man rush: 5th most pressures-4th best DVOA
GET SACKS FROM EVERYWHERE: DEs 21, OLBs 17, ILBs 10, DBs 6
WORK IN CONCERT:
NO BIG PLAYS ALLOWED: passing: 16th most 20+, 3rd most 40+; rushing: 16th most 20+, 4th most 40+
TAKE AWAY THE BEST RECEIVER: 17th in the NFL vs #1WR
SAFETY FIRST: Ditched 3 of them since the end of the season, brought in 3
bradshaw2ben wrote:Nothing wrong with the pass rush or pass rush strategy... they were excellent last year, even with Dupree, Hargrave, & Tuitt apparently playing at less than 100% health. I'm excited to see Keion Adams added to the mix, and the addition of Joshua Frazier covers for the risk of Hargrave not playing up to his best of 2016.
I thought safety play the past two years was a huge problem... apparently, they agreed, and they did something about it.
They struggled to stop the run because:
A. missed tackles
B. failure to address ILB roster depth in august/september
C. three players in starting front 7 were playing with back or upper body injuries
D. Artie Burns
I hope C. will be better with health. A should be improved, simply because most of the personnel has improved. B. is still unaddressed unless Morgan Burnett or one of the other safeties is going to play ILB in nickel.
Giving up an inordinate number of over 40 yard plays is a huge problem that will likely revert to the mean... but I am sure hoping for some competition for Artie Burns.
jebrick wrote:bradshaw2ben wrote:Nothing wrong with the pass rush or pass rush strategy... they were excellent last year, even with Dupree, Hargrave, & Tuitt apparently playing at less than 100% health. I'm excited to see Keion Adams added to the mix, and the addition of Joshua Frazier covers for the risk of Hargrave not playing up to his best of 2016.
I thought safety play the past two years was a huge problem... apparently, they agreed, and they did something about it.
They struggled to stop the run because:
A. missed tackles
B. failure to address ILB roster depth in august/september
C. three players in starting front 7 were playing with back or upper body injuries
D. Artie Burns
I hope C. will be better with health. A should be improved, simply because most of the personnel has improved. B. is still unaddressed unless Morgan Burnett or one of the other safeties is going to play ILB in nickel.
Giving up an inordinate number of over 40 yard plays is a huge problem that will likely revert to the mean... but I am sure hoping for some competition for Artie Burns.
F. Failure to hold Edge with OLBs ( some of that had to do with depth)
G. Did anyone mention poor play by the ILB ( including Shazier).
Kodiak wrote:I remember the last time Tomlin talked about versatility.....it seems that was forgettable.
Steeledge wrote:Kodiak wrote:I remember the last time Tomlin talked about versatility.....it seems that was forgettable.
Yeah, but that was all about the OL, something which Tomlin, as a coach and a player, knew (knows) very little about...
...his OC at the time offered almost no help in that regard, too...
One would hope it's a different story on the defensive side of the ball...
I mean, he IS a former DC with an impressive pre-Steelers resume, but that was a dozen years ago, so we shall see...
Havoc wrote:Steeledge wrote:Kodiak wrote:I remember the last time Tomlin talked about versatility.....it seems that was forgettable.
Yeah, but that was all about the OL, something which Tomlin, as a coach and a player, knew (knows) very little about...
...his OC at the time offered almost no help in that regard, too...
One would hope it's a different story on the defensive side of the ball...
I mean, he IS a former DC with an impressive pre-Steelers resume, but that was a dozen years ago, so we shall see...
Mike Tomlin's coaching resume pre steelers is very thin.
A whopping 1 year as Vikings DC which was nothing to get excited about as far as I can tell.
Steeledge wrote:Havoc wrote:Steeledge wrote:Yeah, but that was all about the OL, something which Tomlin, as a coach and a player, knew (knows) very little about...
...his OC at the time offered almost no help in that regard, too...
One would hope it's a different story on the defensive side of the ball...
I mean, he IS a former DC with an impressive pre-Steelers resume, but that was a dozen years ago, so we shall see...
Mike Tomlin's coaching resume pre steelers is very thin.
A whopping 1 year as Vikings DC which was nothing to get excited about as far as I can tell.
Oh, I'm completely with you!
...but there are a TON of Tomlin apologists on "board" for this ride...
it's just about knowing the audience...
Jobus Rum wrote:Steeledge wrote:Havoc wrote:Mike Tomlin's coaching resume pre steelers is very thin.
A whopping 1 year as Vikings DC which was nothing to get excited about as far as I can tell.
Oh, I'm completely with you!
...but there are a TON of Tomlin apologists on "board" for this ride...
it's just about knowing the audience...
Ehhh...I wouldn’t say a ton. Just a very loud minority, including a handful that will come charging in on their white stallion to defend his honor at the slightest hint of criticism.
Havoc wrote:Steeledge wrote:Kodiak wrote:I remember the last time Tomlin talked about versatility.....it seems that was forgettable.
Yeah, but that was all about the OL, something which Tomlin, as a coach and a player, knew (knows) very little about...
...his OC at the time offered almost no help in that regard, too...
One would hope it's a different story on the defensive side of the ball...
I mean, he IS a former DC with an impressive pre-Steelers resume, but that was a dozen years ago, so we shall see...
Mike Tomlin's coaching resume pre steelers is very thin.
A whopping 1 year as Vikings DC which was nothing to get excited about as far as I can tell.
stillthere wrote:Havoc wrote:Mike Tomlin's coaching resume pre steelers is very thin.
A whopping 1 year as Vikings DC which was nothing to get excited about as far as I can tell.
He has more football experience as an offensive guy since he played WR growing up (at least in college so I assume he did so in HS and maybe before hand) then a couple of years as a secondary coach with Tampa and 1 season as a DC in Minn. He should really be more of an offensive mind than a defensive mind. NFL is weird like that though. Brian Billick is a prime example his being hired in Baltimore was due to his O putting up insane #'s in Minn and then in Baltimore the D carried the team his entire tenure.
Still Lit wrote:Just be thankful you're not a Saints fan or a Packers fan. You'd be even more pissed off.
Steeledge wrote:Still Lit wrote:Just be thankful you're not a Saints fan or a Packers fan. You'd be even more pissed off.
Meh, I don't recall Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy stepping on the field to thwart a hated rival's kickoff return at a crucial moment, forcing their entire franchise to have to live down that humiliation (just one example off the top of my head), but whatevs...
Kodiak wrote:See, I don't agree with Cowherd.
I think most coaches are pretty average, some are better Mon-Sat and some are better on Sun, but they're mostly competent at the job. They tend to be risk averse and stick to convention and popular wisdom (i.e. mediocre). Tomlin is one of those guys.
Sure, the bad coaches outnumber the truly good coaches, but 80% of them are probably just average...and I don't think PIT would hire a bad coach. I really see nothing but upside to replacing Tomlin.
Still Lit wrote:Fair enough. But I look at Green Bay and the Saints and I start thinking that maybe Mike is not as much a dumpster fire as some folks suppose. This is Cowherd's point.
Kodiak wrote:Still Lit wrote:Fair enough. But I look at Green Bay and the Saints and I start thinking that maybe Mike is not as much a dumpster fire as some folks suppose. This is Cowherd's point.
I still think Colbert is one of the best GM's in football. That's a big part of the equation.
Most of Tomlin's success came with players and coaches he inherited. His track record the last 5-6 years really isn't any better than GB or NO.
Still Lit wrote:Steeledge wrote:Still Lit wrote:Just be thankful you're not a Saints fan or a Packers fan. You'd be even more pissed off.
Meh, I don't recall Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy stepping on the field to thwart a hated rival's kickoff return at a crucial moment, forcing their entire franchise to have to live down that humiliation (just one example off the top of my head), but whatevs...
They have Rodgers and Brees and worse records. But whatevs.
